Boycott ENTERPRISE .. it's just that bad.
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 24, 2005 20:10
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A great deal of Hussein’s chemical weapons were leftovers from the Persian War, or shortly there after. I don't know what difference that makes. And not being distinguishable from an explosive artillery shell doesn't make any difference either. These are chemical weapons. These are the reasons we went to war. Hussein was not supposed to have them.
As far as strategic weapons are concerned, according to the UN, that is irrelevant, also. The UN does not limit the list of banned weapons to strategic weapons. The UN says that Iraq is not allowed to have any chemical weapons, at all. Now if you're okay with Hussein's Iraq having had chemical weapons, then okay, I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong, but based on the Resolutions against Iraq, the UN doesn't agree.
The only question is, did they come from an Iraqi cache or were they imported from, say Syria? Chances are pretty good that they did come from an Iraqi cache. The problem is proving that, and to do that, we’re going to have to identify a cache.
Also best wishes to Annik. I've dealt with cancer in my family, and my prayers are with you.
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Ghoulman and his buddies here...
You remind of every single Liberal I've ever met at college. You run around looking for reasons to get upset and angry. Guess what? If ya look hard enough, you'll find them.
When I watch these shows, I watch them for entertainment value. I, as a conservative, can even manage to enjoy The West Wing, and you don't get a more propoganda show than that. The difference is, you run around in life looking for reason to be offended, instead of just living life. If you want to spend the little time you have on Earth mad at a show like Enterprise, that's fine, go ahead. Your wasting your time. I'm willing to bet even a Liberal has better things to do. I'm sure there's a white assed tit-mouse that needs saving somewhere. :)
In the very first thread I read on these boards, I am being driven away from them. I came to this site, thinking I would find a friendly site, like watchfarscape.com is. A site where people who all genuinely enjoy a show can come together and celebrate it. Instead, I find drivel like this. I was insulted as a conservative just reading your posts, and none of your pretentious, smug, and condescending remarks were even directed to me.
I know, I know, the fact that you have driven a conservative away from this community probably pleases you in some way. That's not the kind of life I choose to live. Many of my real life friends are liberals, and we manage to be friends, without insulting each other or stepping on each others toes. Perhaps you'll learn more about debate as you get older. It's not about insulting the other person, it's more about backing up your own points.
As to your post. I think you're reaching. I think you are reading into things in order to find something to be angry at. Given enough time and enough episodes, I could draw paralells to the current world environment and "Saved by the Bell". Sure, some of the plot lines strike home, but how relevant is a show that doesn't? How can you enjoy something you can't relate to your own life? I think your comments about T'pol, the Vulcans, the Xindi, and Archer are just twisting things to fit some agenda you have. I don't know what it is or why...
I guess what I'm saying in the end is, lets leave our political ambitions at the door, and use this site for what is intended for. A place for fans of Firefly to come together and celebrate that we are getting our ruttin movie. And series. And spinoff. and more movies.... (hey, I can dream, can't I?)
-Scorp
p.s. Insulting someone on the internet based on grammatical skills and thier English is usually considered rude and childish. In case you didn't realize, the whole world has access to the internet, and some people here may not hold English as their primary form of communication. We know Al Gore invented it, but the whole world gets to play in this sandbox. So please cover up your droppings before the kid from France steps in it. :)
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*sigh*
Well, I've given up on this thread except to say I hope ANNIK is doing well and I want to apologise to her and anyone else who was interested in the subject of this thread.
The rest of you just wanted to attack me... prolly because I made a fool of you at some point which is easy enough. I love how those people insist I've attacked people, etc. Well, you can always cut and paste the proof.
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*hmm. Oh well. 
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Originally posted by maugwai:
I think some people are confused about the difference between an allegory and a message. I definitely think Enterprise has several messages. Any decent show does. And I happen to like Enterprise better the second half of this season. So I watch it. I don't really care if anybody else does. If you hate it, more power to you. Watch something else.
But I don't think it's an allegory. An allegory is a story in which every element symbolizes something in real life, and the story its self is a symbol of a real life issue. So if you do believe Enterprise is completely symbolic of Bush's regime, then I suppose you're right in calling it an allegory. But I don't think everything in the show has a real life reflection.
Personally, I think the show has been finding its way this season. It's about sacrifices, both moral and physical, that we make for the greater good, and whether or not it's worth the cost. And I think that's worth investigating.
"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."
You know, before I go silent I wanted to point out that this was a great point. I personally do see it as an allegory of the Bush agenda, I'd call this thinly veiled propaganda. We could argue the fine points if this thread wasn't stuffed with attacks on me. Sorry.
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I’ve been silent on this point for the most part. Primarily because I couldn’t care less about this show. But I will say this one point: in order for something to be propaganda, it must be deliberate. And that is where your argument fails and why it seems so much like ideological pandering. Anyone can argue some allegory about something. You can say this is symbolic of this or that, and it may or may not be true, but it may not necessarily be the intention of the author. You are drawing some fairly specific conclusions about this show, and until you can demonstrate that the author or authors intended for these allegories to be drawn about a specific administration or cause then there is no way to imply any propaganda, no matter how thinly veiled.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
*sigh*
The rest of you just wanted to attack me... prolly because I made a fool of you at some point which is easy enough. I love how those people insist I've attacked people, etc. Well, you can always cut and paste the proof.
Yo, Ghoul- You make good points and interesting arguments even if I don't always agree, but you've got to cut out the self-aggrandizing martyrdom, it's getting old.
In this case, I've been pretty much on your side since this thing started, but you're letting it get away with you, dude.
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Ghoulman's gone silent! great!! Does this mean we wont need to log on to find another of Ghoulmans pointless, egotistical and often offensive posts ever again?! Things are at last looking up!
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
*sigh*
Well, I've given up on this thread except to say I hope ANNIK is doing well and I want to apologise to her and anyone else who was interested in the subject of this thread.
The rest of you just wanted to attack me... prolly because I made a fool of you at some point which is easy enough. I love how those people insist I've attacked people, etc. Well, you can always cut and paste the proof.
You wanted proof of your "attacks" on people on this site? This is just one of your many posts, posted in the Help Save Enterprise thread started March 29, 2004:
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ENT is the worst show on TV. I gotta wonder about people who trash Firefly for being sexist while this crap show has that battered wife Vulcan whore mentality. The writers (if I can call them that, hmm, no guess not!) reveal thier sick mysoginist minds with every second show. Then they insult the entire Islamic world with thier racist allegories. Oh I could go on and on...
I do hope all my Firefly friends work hard to beat up every ENT fan they see. They deserve it.
Wishing violence on people that disagree with you about the show might be considered an attack.
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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