Bored Now
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Thursday, January 1, 2009 02:16
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I actually used to be a regular on FFF.net about 2 years ago. I know NVG and MSA were here back then, but I don't recognize many other names. But if you were to ask one of them they could tell you that I was hated back then, with a vengeance. One girl started an entire thread about how I was so horrible that I should be banned.
Granted, I had some very outlandish things to say, but I believed them, and I still do. I think the natural tendency of social groups to band together in chastisement of others who don't conform is made worse by the anonymity of the internet. Add in a subject that people are very passionate about and you have a recipe' for disaster. I think the one that got me in a lot of trouble a while back was daring to suggest that rape victims are partially responsible for what happens to them by putting themselves in unfavorable scenarios and making themselves targets.
Course I also responded with a lot more hostility than you do. In any case, I think this becomes a problem anywhere you look online. No matter how nice a group seems when you get there, things will go to shit somehow. Take a break, leave forever, or deal with it, all depends on how you want to go about it.
Ride down from Asgard to the battlefield,
Bringer of the valiant dead who died but never yielded,
Carry we who die in battle over land and sea,
Across the rainbow bridge to Valhalla,
Odin's waiting for me.
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Gee Dream, I'm just having a bit o' fun w/ Chris. He knows it. That post wouldn't have worked as well with just anyone. 
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Yanno, for someone who says they don't care, he's gone pretty far out of his way to paint a nice dark picture of me in direct contravention* to the info I gave him, hasn't he ?
Doesn't seem to have detected the difference between defending a "trip-wire" right to stay further abuses, and nuttery either, but that's par for the course for someone who seemingly shuts off their brain when they hear something they don't want to and them blames the other persons communication skills.
I detect a bruised ego, and for someone who's fond of throwing troll accusations around, yeah, let's talk about winging stones from glass houses, ehe ?
Dude needs to get over hisself, you ask me - we're all unimportant, the folks history steps on, and maybe sometimes, if we're slick, we can step back a little, but in essence, we're nobodies - accept this, and the fact that because of that, what we think doesn't matter much, it's what we DO, collectively, that does.
*Oh yes, and it's obvious you didn't bother to visit the links I provided earlier cause it was too much work for you, huh ?
Draw your own conclusions, folks.
http://www.caica.org/
http://www.isaccorp.org/
http://www.teenliberty.org/
http://www.nospank.net/boot.htm
http://cafety.org/
http://www.protect.org/
http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php
Yeah, that cause is so evil, sure.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The ability of people to faze me with internet posts is less than zero, it's absurd.
You're kind of acting like it fazes you. I'm not saying that's a bad thing in and of itself. Words can be powerful. It's kind of silly to say something can't faze you at the same time you're reacting to it, though.
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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
I think the one that got me in a lot of trouble a while back was daring to suggest that rape victims are partially responsible for what happens to them by putting themselves in unfavorable scenarios and making themselves targets.
You mean people got mad at you for stating the most harmful and damaging misconception that prosecutors, councilors, and victims have to deal with in the area of sexual crime? I can't imagine why.
That kind of 'opinion' wouldn't be applied to any other crime.
"But your honor, it's not my client's fault, the victim just made themselves too killable."
Use your brains.
If your post here was meant to show sympathy with dreamtrove, I think you failed rather abjectly.
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Riverdancer
If it phased me, it would move me to a different plane. It didn't faze me either.
Auraptor,
Yeah, I got that, hence the pointed mock-troll comment.
Chrismoorhead,
Yes, I know, I was there. You've gotten calmer, some folk have gotten more agitated. Most improved is auraptor, who is positively mellow. finn is more agitated. Chrisisall was always mellow. Frem was there, still is, but now he is clearly off his meds. PirateNews is much more straight than usual. He could clearly edit some. Whozit I don't remember. He's like some random kid jumping up and down in front of the camera.
It's not a matter of whether or not there will be hostility, it's whether or not it is an effective use of time. People who do things or have the potential to do them are worth the time. A fair number of you I like, I used to like Frem, he went out of his way to make me dislike him. Also, he has grown this colossal spy ego thing, and for the record, he called himself evil, not me. And before this post, track back.
There are issues with this group, collectively, that you guys need to sort out. The combined net effort is getting nowhere. I made some headway earlier, on my attempts to united people against a common enemy, and when I come back in, people were at each other's throats again over partisan minutia.
Never catch a falling knife, or try to save a drowning crocodile. No offense.
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Dreamtrove
You are right, this forumn is not what it was a few years ago. You are also correct that there is a lot of crap in the RW thread - so what? Basically it comes down to each person. If you don't like what is being said in a thread - don't go in it. If you think someone is a troll ignore them. If you decide to take someone on be prepared for the flame. Sometimes it is worth it and sometimes is isn't.
There is a lot of the pot calling the kettle black here. We all do it. Posting a thread threatening to take your ball and go home does absolutely nothing. Unless of course you ate looking for attention.
As for calling everyone that disagrees with you a troll - well that is just silly. There are only 2 certifiable trolls on this site and they are harmless if annoying.
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FMF,
If I want your advice, I'll ask for it. On second thought...
Count that three.
I saw mayhem of people caught in an endless battle of infighting. It apparently doesn't like being called out on that. No matter.
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RiverDancer - If someone walks down a dark alley in a bad part of town, unarmed, and they get killed, yes I'd say it's partially their fault as well.
Your court comparison is completely off base, as I never said anything about the legality of it, only the responsibility victims, and not all victims, but some victims have in what happens to them.
I still have the police reports of and a huge scar from pissing in the bushes outside of a shopping mall a couple days away from New Years in a not-so-nice part of town. It was an unlit area, and I specifically waited for a mall security vehicle to pass by. I put myself in that situation and I accept my responsibility for what happened.
I never went to parties where I knew there would be alcohol or drugs when I was younger, and I still don't, because I don't like putting myself in those situations. If a a girl is so desperate for socialization that she's willing to go to those types of parties and put in a one-on-one situation with any guy, she should accept her part in what happened to her. That's not to say charges shouldn't be pressed against the aggressor, but by telling a victim that they had no responsibility in what happened to them takes power AWAY from them. It makes concessions for the fact that they had control of the situation up until they were alone with the rapist, and sometimes even after that.
Ride down from Asgard to the battlefield,
Bringer of the valiant dead who died but never yielded,
Carry we who die in battle over land and sea,
Across the rainbow bridge to Valhalla,
Odin's waiting for me.
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Chris,
I hope all is well on the eastern front, and have no desire to pick another fight. I thought I would take a moment to relate a couple of stories to ponder, that they may enter into the total set of data.
My roommate was raped by a man who followed her into her home, uninvited, and not a man she knew. She was not at the time a snappy dresser, and there was nothing provocative about her nature. The same man would later rape her younger sister.
Now, initially, you might discount this case as not applying to your model. However, the girl in question was very much the girl you describe. She was frequently about town, at parties, having a good time. The rapist came from none of these connections. He was, in fact, her neighbor.
This is, as there often is, another side to the story. Her home life was very unhappy. Her family poor, and her house in squalor, and her parents abusive, though not sexually. The frequenting of parties represented the only escape.
If I may, I would suggest that perhaps it is not the situation one puts oneself in that asks for the crime, but the definition of the crime as being itself vague.
Another case of "rape" was of a girl who began to bleed during sex. She became convinced that this made the sex rape, though her boyfriend, who was not new, or in any way violent. The final story was that it turned out that the girl in question was pregnant, and had a miscarriage. Since there was no intent of any sexual misconduct from the boyfriend with his long term girlfriend, the charge, had it been legally levied, which it was not, once it had been sorted out that the bleeding was a miscarriage, and not damage caused by the boyfriend, the matter was settled, but the two broke up anyway.
While both of these cases are cut and dried, there is a lot of grey area in this matter. The situation someone puts themselves in does not denote the sentence that they receive. I have many times gone into the den of gangsters and drug dealers, and considered myself to be "not asking for murder."
However, I would be tempted to agree that the word rape is thrown about sometimes too loosely, (and sometimes not enough.) An old rule was that rape require a weapon, or force of some kind. I can see this extended to the unconscious. If a girl is at a party and makes a poor decision, then I think that the man's position should also be taken into account. An attractive girl coming on to a single man is not likely to get a rejection. Bringing substance abuse issues into this would merely cloud the issue, since the man in question may not have dealt the substance, in fact, most often with drug users, the substance was self administered. If, for instance, I were to go out for a night of drinking, and then drive home and hit a pedestrian, I could not then say to the officer "It wasn't my fault, it was the alcohol that made me do it." I could then try to blame the pedestrian.
In short, I think it's completely fair to say everyone is responsible for their own actions, and if a girl goes to a party, and decides to have sex with someone, then that is not rape.
However, it's also entirely possible for a girl to go to a party, and then have several men drag her to a room and chain her up, and each rape her in turn. This actually happened to a ex-girlfriend of mine once. I was not at the party, no guys were allowed, aside from those running it. This is clearly rape, which was not something she chose to do. She chose to go to a party.
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