Bored Now
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Thursday, January 1, 2009 02:16
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This atmosphere has gotten too hostile. I am talking to a brick wall, and while I don't hold it against any individual, a voice of moderation once welcomed here is welcome no more. This is not a force about to unite in a common cause against a common enemy, it's a spiralling pit of despair, where any post is greeted with abject hostility, even by those who support 90% of it, but disagree on some minor issue. If anyone has any interest in my input, let me know, because I'm about to sign off. I might check back in a couple years and see you're all still alive. The last few rounds were just unrelentingly base and hostile, and there's no real reason to have that in my life, especially with no potential allies towards any sort of real change outside of the intra as well as inter partisan bickering.
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If its political happiness you seek I suggest you return to the iran defense forum where you fellow brothers can await the coming of the Iman
*kidding*
Please don't blame me, or any other people for the whole 'atmosphere has gotten too hostile' I have always considered religion ( Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism) to be a great big bunch of Bullshit and Islam IMO happens to be the worst of it.
I have felt this way for a long time, before the day I joined fireflyfans and maybe even long before 911 I considered religion and Islam to be a bunch of fairytale BS
FFF is mostly about Firefly there just happens to be a politics section
The politcial section in FFF has always been unmoderated,
if you don't like politics why spend your time posting in the politics section?
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There is much wisdom in faith, and with luck, much faith in wisdom. Everyone knows my faith, I've made no secret of it.
I was here for a long time before. I see now that it's a self feeding dog pit, no offense, where people can tear each other's throats out.
I'm not really interested in just discussing a long dead TV show. I was more concerned with serious resistance to the actual abuse of power.
The best post while I was here was the link to the Jungian animal archetypes.
Fairwell. I'll check this thread for a day or two in case someone wants to say something. Otherwise, just email me.
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Okay, I know you don't THINK you're being offensive or confrontational in other threads, but when you characterize anyone who believes in private gun ownership as a "lone nut holed up with an AK", it does indeed tend to offend those of us who enjoy shooting, but aren't looking to kill ANYTHING other than a few cans or paper targets.
And when you engage in such namecalling, you really can't expect less to come back on you.
We CAN have reasonable and reasoned discussions, but it demands civility from all sides of the issues. I've seen you call others trolls for disagreeing with you, so it's not like you're above all this mess...
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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Oh grow a set you fuckin pansy.
You come in, act all superior, won't do any of the research required to discuss the topic intelligently, get annoyed when someone pushes you into it, and then get all offended and throw a petty little tantrum cause folks took issue with your own truly overwhelming arrogance ?
Welcome to the realities of the internet.
Cry some more.
-F
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KWICKO,
Civil discussion does go on, but there is interference from trolls. Troll is fair. In fact, it's totally applicable. I will grant that at times I have responded to hostile attacks with hostility, my mistake for feeding the trolls. But, as it was, we were having a discussion, and then, as usual, trolls intervene.
I try to refrain from saying things I might like to say like "Grow up" to some of these posts. The sad thing is, the young people are perfectly civil, the grown men are childish.
If I'm above it, then that says nothing about me, since I am a stationary object, without strong feeling or attachment. The world flows by me, and does not affect me. However if people see this, and think that I am haughty, when I am completely neutral, then they should consider that perhaps they are standing in quicksand.
Honestly, I think trolling is a serious problem on this board, and sure, my mistake, I fed a troll or two. Sometimes, people who occassionally have interesting things to say, can be trolls.
As for lone nuts holed up with an AK, that was addressed to people who were defending their right to be lone "gun owners" holed up with their AK, thinking that they will single handedly stave off the power. I've known people like this, and ones who have had their judgment day come. It never goes well. The perception that this perspective is "nuts" is social commentary, but it is objective social commentary. I'm not judging their strategic decision to fight the power, only their tactical decision on how to do it.
FREM is a windbag. This is a personal attack. But it's also objective. His posts are the length of PN's and frequently contain no information at all. That's fine. We can just skim them.
But he's also a troll. It's perfectly fair, and objective. As witness, he directly followed your post to make my point. My job is easy, everyone is always making my points for me. In the gun thread, people did it many times.
A troll is seeking attention, in the form of a response. Nothing there merits a response. If I respond, I feed the troll. Everyone who has been paying attention gets that I am a stationary object. The ability of people to faze me with internet posts is less than zero, it's absurd.
My mistake is in thinking that just because on occasion someone has something insightful to say, that they are not a troll.
I would make one other objective analysis about frem that will be taken as a personal attack, like my suggestions about communication, but could be taken by a more open man as advice.
Frem spends a great deal of time building himself up as superspy. Spies past and present are not impressed. Upon reflection, I'm not all that impressed with spies. He did tout himself earlier as a hero, who had to travel undercover. Now he says he's not a good guy. Well, he's smuggling children, draw your own conclusion.
The short answer is, there's no reason to read any more of his posts. Trolls are trolls.
If we could boot the trolls, then I think civil discussion would take place. Or perhaps its just a failing in myself, and I would say, others as well, because once the trolls start posting, sane people drop out.
Out2theBlack surprised me by being civil initially, and then going all troll. Some trolls have a person inside trying to get out. Others just want attention.
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IMO, there are actually no trolls about at present (though Whozit sometimes mimicks one just to test our Troll-meters), I feel it's more like WWF around here sometimes...LOCK THE CAGE DOOOOOORS AT THIS TIIIIIME!
The wrasslin' Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I feel it's more like WWF around here sometimes...LOCK THE CAGE DOOOOOORS AT THIS TIIIIIME!
The wrasslin' Chrisisall
That's a cute outfit. Did your husband give it to you?
Raptormanisall
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I feel it's more like WWF around here sometimes...LOCK THE CAGE DOOOOOORS AT THIS TIIIIIME!
That's a cute outfit. Did your husband give it to you?
Raptormanisall
Goodoneisall
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There are perhaps, part time trolls.
If you flame a response that was not intended with anger for the purpose of perpetrating an angry retort, I think that's trolling.
We have a Spammer, but he's a friend of mine.
Whozit is almost a troll, but he's also more of a spammer. He's just the kid who wants attention, but he doesn't tend to flame people too much.
Auraptor's above post is mock-troll. I think AU, you used to have troll-like tendencies, but I've seen no sign of them lately.
Mostly I signed on to post this, as to the wave of furor about my misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment. While I openly and freely admitted to being wrong, I think I made several good points, and it is a personal issue for me because I have recently lost a friend to reaver culture, and also, I've had a couple people go all hole-in-the-ground and it has not ended well (in jail now, not dead.)
You will grant that I walked in at a time of all out partisan flame war with no productivity, and like my friend who served in Basra, I was there trying to sat to both sides "stop", and then did, for a while, and then, like with him, they started firing at me instead. Here's a tribute to this, which many of you have met before:
http://blogs.technet.com/photos/gray_knowlton/images/2998979/original.
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But I think that this is a more proper response to my detractors over
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