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Yep, and having learned from some of the finest sleaze this world has ever produced, who were in fact idolized by the western world quite openly, and still are, secretly, in many political factions here even today...

Then went on to apply those same methods to others, having learned NOTHING from the experience but how to emulate it, in the same fashion an abused child often grows up to be an abusive parent.

From the Irgun-Etzel brownshirts to the Palestinian ghettos and "detention" camps, to the ethnic cleansing of the Sephardim, it's all the bloody same, and yet we're supposed to look the other way because they were victimized ?

And then did so to the point where they have a goddamn noose on our political process by rerouting foreign aid monies to buy and suborn our politicians who then vote them MORE foreign aid moneys to speed and continue the process, all the while spying on and sabotaging us at every turn and corner, up to and including taking out one of our naval vessels that saw a little too much ?

How blind does someone have to be to NOT call them out on this crap ?

I still say we need to cut em off, whatever it takes, AMDOCS, COMVERSE, The ZoneAlarm trickery, USS Liberty, the "Dancing Arabs", Urban Moving Systems, the "Art Students", AIPAC, The Lavon Incident, The false flag attack on the hotel in Kenya, Nov 2002, Adam Pearlman, Dov Zackheim and a lotta missin money, The Libya bait and switch that caused Reagan to bomb Quadaffis office, The King David Hotel, The high likelyhood that Entebbe was a false flag (raised by MI6), I mean hell folks, that's just the *documented* stuff, if you include events that cannot be substantially proven but most of the evidence points to em, this'd go six pages easy.

That doesn't make other assholes like the Tali-tubbies or the Northern Opium Alliance, or MEK or any of the others any better, but we do not (for the moment) consider them "friendly" as official policy, despite our idiotic support of BOTH Afghan factions busy thrashing each others brains out.

And we don't have signed treaties carrying Constitutional power with the others, especially not ones that demand we service their petroleum needs even at the expense of our own.
Think I jest ?
Do your homework and see for yourself.
To sum it up, folks, as clear as I can put it.

They. Are. Not. Our. Friends.

And every time we treat them like they are we get another knife in the back.
Isn't anyone else tired of that shit ?
Cause I know I am.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Originally posted by rue:
I can't believe the BS posted here.

Women have NEVER had a free ride, historically or during evolution.

Look at more primitive societies - you will find females provide roughly 80%+ of the food through gathering and primitive agriculture, males provide 20% or less through hunting.

It is common for women to do all the farming AND cooking AND child minding AND fetching - water, firewood, goods - women are often treated as beasts of burden.

Girls are treated as trade goods, sold into prostitution, often to fund the father's drug habits.

Islam is the driving force of female mutilation. Hey guys, how would you like to have YOUR parts dug out with a rusty razor blade in order to be considered 'clean' ?

As for Islam - the more restrictive it is - in say Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Morocco, Nigeria, Western Sahara - the higher the female suicide rates, mutilation rates, abuse rates. Uuhhm, yeah, women really must like that.

When it comes to childcare, in Fiji today (an egalitarian society) the older people look after the children, men fish, and women plant, harvest and cook taro and other vegetables. Food is too hard to come by to waste the time of able-bodied adults in looking after children.

The idea of the delicate flower staying at home is a recent Western notion, spawned in the late 1800's, and only for high class consumption, as women in lower classes still did the farming, worked in mills and sweatshops, as housemaids etc.

And y'all need to read the book 'Mother Love'. It's historically common (in Europe through the 1200's to currently, for which data is available) that when females have social opportunities other than child-bearing, they choose those things other than child-bearing.

Female choice is the driving force of the 'demographic transition' - the reliable change to smaller family size as overall prosperity goes up, education goes up, and people move to cities.



A male dominated society in which females are restricted has never been a good things for women. And given the choice, women choose otherwise.


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Hey, good post. Said everything I believe but am too lazy to write.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Oh, have fun, hope on. Some of us my fight against our extinction, but don't mind us, we're just finicky conservatives objecting to our extermination, it's just a little nitpick of ours. How quaint

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Having read a few of your posts I completely understand why you'd be extremely suspicious of these kinds of medical plans.

In the meantime, all children already have some form of mandated health insurance/care by virtue of simply being alive: some of it is the traditional kind, some is "Health Care by ER," and some is just neglect, zero care. What kind of solution is that? Is that a civilized, advanced society? You see Genocide and I see the first steps to providing every citizen with some kind of health care, starting with children.

I'd love to hear a better option.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Oh, have fun, hope on. Some of us my fight against our extinction, but don't mind us, we're just finicky conservatives objecting to our extermination, it's just a little nitpick of ours. How quaint

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How does population control equal extinction? Why must less humans on this planet (easily accomplished by having less children, not by killing off living humans) necessarily be a bad thing? The way I see it, we're quite a large number already, consuming, consuming, consuming, and not at all threatened by extinction except through overpopulation or our own aggressive tendencies in the first place.

And if someone can't afford health insurance for their kid maybe they SHOULD think twice about having a baby. Children deserve good health care.

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Just thought I'd post this here, to finish up an old topic.

The FLDS men who were found guilty of underage marriage are now in the sentencing phase. Others are still either on trial or waiting for their trials.

As I have said before and still maintain, this is not about them being punished for being 'different'. It's not about 'a few bad apples'. Grooming girl children and giving them no other choice but to be underage brides to much older men in polygamous marriages is DOCTRINE.

This thing is bent by its very nature.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009/dec/17/keate-trial-state-rests-it
s-case-in-punishment/

SAN ANGELO, Texas — n Sentencing phase continues in sex assault

ELDORADO — Lead Prosecutor Eric Nichols will continue today offering further evidence and calling witnesses to testify in the sentencing phase of the trial of Allan Eugene Keate, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints found guilty Tuesday by a Schleicher County jury on a charge of sexual assault of a child.

Keate elected before the trial began Dec. 7 to have his sentence determined by the jury rather than the judge, if convicted.

Wednesday began with jurors hearing testimony from prosecution witnesses. Documents saying Keate had married off his teenage daughters were entered into evidence.

Rebecca Musser, a former FLDS member, returned to the witness stand to testify about her life in an FLDS community. Musser had testified earlier in the trial.

She said she was “placed” with Rulon Jeffs, who was prophet of the FLDS community at the time.

The FLDS practice polygamy by arranging “spiritual” or “celestial” marriages that are not recognized by civil authorities.

Musser said that she was 19 years old and that Jeffs was 84. She said she was Jeffs’ 19th wife.

Nichols used a projector to show jurors a picture showing dozens of women clothed in white surrounding a man in a black jacket.

“These are all his wives at the time of the wedding photo,” Musser said.

Nichols then brought stacks of manila folders to Musser and had her verify the types of documents contained in them: personal records, priesthood records, marriage records and other categories.

Musser also explained the phrase “house in hiding,” which would later appear on pictures shown to the jury.

“We were taught that God would sweep the wicked off the face of the earth and ... a part of that group would come against (the FLDS), so they would need to hide their way of life,” Musser said.

The prosecution also called Carolyn Jessop as an expert witness on the sect, having lived in an FLDS community for 35 years. She left in 2003, she said, because she disagreed with the marrying age dropping to 14.

Jessop said she was among six wives and her husband fathered 54 children.

Life was convoluted and contentious in a polygamist household, she said.

“There was conflict with who got what jobs,” Jessop said. “There was a lot of contention among the wives. ... A lot of our religion was about how to keep sweet.”

Lead defense attorney Randy Wilson asked Jessop if she had any connection to Keate’s family life. She said she did not.

“She has no close or direct link,” Wilson said.

Nichols brought in an investigator with the Texas Attorney General’s office, Sgt. Wesley Hensley to comment on the contents of the evidence shown to Musser. He read off marriage records and personal records to show that Keate had multiple nonlegal wives and children by them and that he had taken a wife previously “sealed” to another man.

Nichols also questioned Hensley about the children.

“Did you find records that would indicate that these children were placed in a spiritual or celestial marriage?” Nichols asked.

“Yes,” Hensley said.

The prosecution then displayed a variety of documents indicating that Keate had participated in marrying off three of his daughters, two of them 15 and one 14.

Nichols later showed letters, also seen during the verdict phase of the trial, from Keate to FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs that complain

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