Wifely Duties
POSTED BY: piratenews
UPDATED: Saturday, January 9, 2010 04:47
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Wrong.
I don't feel "entitled" to ANYTHING. I worked for what I have. Suffered, bled and killed part of my heart to gain what I have.
In THIS thread, I have issue with the idea that people can create a life, but then are so spoiled that they don't want to take care of it.
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Then don't go blaming women and not men.
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I don't blame women.
I blame the idea behind.
Rue,
You and I can go head-to-head on another thread, if you wish. I welcome the challenge.
But, in THIS thread, I am saying that men or women need to be home for the children they create.
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"It opened up opportunities at the cost of the lives of the children that these women would abandon for their own wants."
It looks to me like you do blame women.
No, I have no interest in debating you. I find your thinking limited, and driven by assumptions and personal issues you don't even know are there. Digging through your demons seems like an unpleasant task.
In the strictly biological sense, women are only required to look after children for the first 6 months to a year, depending on weaning. Many societies - from the Fijiians to the Israelis - do perfectly well with communal child care. The idea that children need to be raised by parents in the home is a recent notion.
That's not to say that children don't need care - but the level of care and its providers are far more flexible than you think.
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Originally posted by rue:
"It opened up opportunities at the cost of the lives of the children that these women would abandon for their own wants."
It looks to me like you do blame women.
No, I have no interest in debating you. I find your thinking limited, and driven by assumptions and personal issues you don't even know are there. Digging through your demons seems like an unpleasant task.
In the strictly biological sense, women are only required to look after children for the first 6 months to a year, depending on weaning. Many societies - from the Fijiians to the Israelis - do perfectly well with communal child care. The idea that children need to be raised by parents in the home is a recent notion.
That's not to say that children don't need care - but the level of care and its providers are far more flexible than you think.
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"No, I have no interest in debating you. I find your thinking limited, and driven by assumptions and personal issues you don't even know are there. Digging through your demons seems like an unpleasant task."
I can say the same to you.
But I have the balls to do it for you.
Whatever.
Level of care? Let me guess, Rue. You have no children, and you don't have any clue as to what you are speaking about.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
It opened up opportunities at the cost of the lives of the children that these women would abandon for their own wants.
You say you are in favor of equal responsibility between men and women yet then you post sentences like the one above.
WHY do you never argue in terms of how BOTH genders could have handled this rightful levelling of career and life opportunities better? You only blame women for rightfully wanting the options that men have always had!
You'd be a lot more credible if you for once focused on what men could have done or could still do better, to ensure this optimal child care you reasonable expect to be provided.
You ignore those opportunities for the purpose of repeating over an over again your anger at women. That's unproductive.
Are you seriously saying that it's the fault of 1960's/70's women only? SOMEtime it had to change. Do you ever even try to put yourself into the shoes of women back then?
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Quote:So, in your Einsteinian wizardry, how do you NOT have both parents working to financially support a household in this day & age? How about instead of having the government raise kids for peeps, they make it easier (possible) for one parent to be home with the kids? Uh-oh...socialism again. So, die out as a species in America then? Why do you hate women, kids & America, Wulf?
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Fucking socialists think that the government can raise their kids for them. They forget that a kid needs more than a PS3 to grow up right. He/she needs loving PARENTS, to grow.
You fucking make them, you better fucking raise them right.
The sly Chrisisall
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"Level of care? Let me guess, Rue. You have no children, and you don't have any clue as to what you are speaking about."
How little you know.
I was HOPING to expand your thinking beyond your childhood hurts and disappointments. There is a whole world out there that's different from the one you grew up in, and hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution and history to learn from. But, nevermind. Keep on thinking the way you always have.
ETA: "But I have the balls to do it for you." Well, I have no idea what this means, except that somehow I'm supposed to out-macho you or be defeated by you trying to out-macho me. What do you want to do next ? Compare chest hair ? Arm-wrestle ? Have a burping contest ?
And, unless I'm one of those horrible emasculating, selfish women you complain about, why would I bother ?
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"If a marriage certificate is a license to rape a woman, I firmly stand by my choice to never sign one."
Who said/believes that horseshit?
Did you... read the initial post of this thread?
Allow me to refresh for you.
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Originally posted by piratenews:
Referring to the news 'Man raped wife,' first of all she failed in her primary duties as a wife in this case.
Denying sex to the partner stands valid for a divorce.
Secondly he has not gone to anybody else but approached his wife that is his right as a husband.
Thirdly God has created women in a way to satisfy an average man so that he need not bother to look at any other woman with the wrong intention provided the so-called wife takes care of him.
Naturally men are more aggressive in terms of sex compared to women, while the latter will find ample reasons for postponing it.
Finally I would like to say that this case should be treated as 'Wife refused to have sex with her husband.'
For the record, I know more than a few women who want more sex than they're getting, and are more aggressive than their husbands or boyfriends, but that's neither here nor there.
Yes, I'm glad you agree that it's horse shit, but this was the original topic of conversation, and has become an equally horse-shit topic that a woman belongs in the home, cooking and cleaning and bearing children.
I do not disagree that children need care.
My mother worked, and worked hard, and raised me herself, and never left me alone. She was off work in time to pick me up from school. Sometimes I had babysitters, but it wasn't all that common and they were people I actually liked. On the weekends I saw my dad, and the one summer I spent with him he left me alone far more than she ever did. She did what she had to do. She was a good mom, and don't you dare say otherwise just because she wasn't home every hour of every day.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Swish,
Shut-up.
My point was not that women should be barefoot. pregnant, and in the kitchen.
But rather,
SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HOME WITH THE CHILDREN.
Whether its the father, or the mother.... if you have kids, someone needs to be there for them.
Stop allowing schools, and expensive day-care to raise them.
The problem, as I see it, is that people have forgotten that it is a RESPONSIBILITY to have children. Not a right, or a status symbol.
You are responsible for bringing the child up to adult-hood.
NOT just by buying them the best toys. But by raising/teaching them to be GOOD people.
Fucking socialists think that the government can raise their kids for them. They forget that a kid needs more than a PS3 to grow up right. He/she needs loving PARENTS, to grow.
No wonder our society is so screwed up. You have a bunch of kids raised by the streets, or by schools, or just left to fend for themselves.
You fucking make them, you better fucking raise them right.
Dammit, why is this concept so hard for you lazy bastards?
much Wulf?No, actually, you've convinced me. I had been leaving my twelve kids scrounging in the trailer park garbage dump for the past two years while I sucked down skunky beer and bitched about how small my welfare checks are, but now I see the light!
*rolls eyes*
Seriously, Wulf, is that what you think everyone but YOU is like? Where do you make this shit up? How did you get from me saying that women don't need your high-handed permission, to the completely over-orated preaching of the obvious above?
What a ma-roon.
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