Just whip it out Barry!

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WHOZIT

Thursday, December 4, 2008 10:31 PM

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6145787 This story just wo'nt go away....is'nt that great! If he just shows us the dam Birth Certificate and it's lajit, it'll make alot of people look really bad rite? So whip it out Barry! The Certificate that is.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, December 4, 2008 11:25 PM

Oh for GOD'S sake! Am I the only person in the whole damn country who knows the process for applying for a passport? Am I the only one who thinks, just maybe, that a document required to obtain a passport might just be required to ratify a nomination for President? Am I the only one to think, also, that having a passport, which the man clearly does, means he produced this birth certificate the hysterical conspiracy theorists keep banging on about, probably more than once for that purpose alone? I could go into all the other details I've researched on the tri-citizenship of Barack Obama, but I've done that already, in yet another ridiculous thread on the same topic.
This has been done to DEATH, people. Seriously, find a new angle that has something to actually stand on, or SHUT UP!

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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Thursday, December 4, 2008 11:29 PM

Simple solution: Produce the Certificate.

Problem solved. Next issue.

WHOZIT

Thursday, December 4, 2008 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Oh for GOD'S sake! Am I the only person in the whole damn country who knows the process for applying for a passport? Am I the only one who thinks, just maybe, that a document required to obtain a passport might just be required to ratify a nomination for President? Am I the only one to think, also, that having a passport, which the man clearly does, means he produced this birth certificate the hysterical conspiracy theorists keep banging on about, probably more than once for that purpose alone? I could go into all the other details I've researched on the tri-citizenship of Barack Obama, but I've done that already, in yet another ridiculous thread on the same topic.
This has been done to DEATH, people. Seriously, find a new angle that has something to actually stand on, or SHUT UP!

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But why wo'nt he just show it already? Is there somthing on it he does'nt want anyone see? Is he an abortion that lived? Was he born with a tail? Soon sane people will want to know why he wo'nt show it.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, December 5, 2008 12:01 AM

Well, though I'm sure there is debate on whether or not I'm entirely sane, I have, as I said, looked into this. Hawaii restricts access to original birth certificates. Certified copies may be obtained, and are considered to be the same thing, for all intents and purposes, as the original certificate on file.
There have been accusations that the copy of Obama's birth certificate doesn't match a copy of a different Hawaii certificate. Absolutely true, it does not. The reason for this is that the certificate copy it's compared to was issued five years previously, before new anti-forgery regulations were put into place. The paper on the older issued certificate is thinner, and has a different (more easily duplicated) border on it. The new paper is more cloth-like, with a more complex pattern, bearing resemblance to currency with similar protections against forgery. Scanned and posted online, the seal is less visible on the thicker paper, and the border looks less detailed, as all the fine lines blend together a bit. This, I would say, is proof that the new certified certificates of live birth issued by the state of Hawaii are much more difficult to make a copy of.
I'll say again, the man has a passport and his nomination was ratified more than a year ago. The certificate has been produced, and examined. Just because he hasn't come personally to your house and shown it to you doesn't mean no one has ever seen it.

For some reason I'm sure that won't satisfy you, determined as you are to say it's all down to 'refusal' to produce a document that has been produced many times, because that proves to you what it is you want to believe, that Obama can't be President.

Incidentally, McCain was born in Panama. I've looked into this as well, having determined from my own research that he is, nonetheless, a natural born citizen. Had he been elected, I would have been less than happy, but I'd not be pulling out a tired and debunked story about him not being eligible. Really, it's a pretty childish way to be behaving.

For those who missed the last, ridiculous thread on this same issue, this may speed up the process: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=35632

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MALBADINLATIN

Friday, December 5, 2008 12:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Simple solution: Produce the Certificate.

Problem solved. Next issue.

Problem not solved...Conservatives still exist.

If I were him I would ignore the requests for a birth certificate. Righties in search of media dirt are like cockroaches. You can't encourage them. The funniest part is how they use thier threatening voices. This! is unacceptable! This! is over the top! All! he has to do is produce bla bla bla and we'll stop behaving like someone with a shred of authority still!

Bullies, use the same exact tactic, "if you stop going out honey I'll stop smacking your face when you come home late" Only my analogy is flawed because Conservatives are the beaten ones

The funniest thing are these deballed Rush's, Hannity's, and O'Reilly's. They're all alone. No more open white house door. No more instructions on how to brainwash mindless idiots from the White House Press Corp. No more accepting White House dinners. Thats what pisses them off, and now...we all are going to have to hear empty impotent catterwalling for years.

WHOZIT

Friday, December 5, 2008 12:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
Quote:
Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Simple solution: Produce the Certificate.

Problem solved. Next issue.
Problem not solved...Conservatives still exist.

If I were him I would ignore the requests for a birth certificate. Righties in search of media dirt are like cockroaches. You can't encourage them. The funniest part is how they use thier threatening voices. This! is unacceptable! This! is over the top! All! he has to do is produce bla bla bla and we'll stop behaving like someone with a shred of authority still!

Bullies, use the same exact tactic, "if you stop going out honey I'll stop smacking your face when you come home late" Only my analogy is flawed because Conservatives are the beaten ones

The funniest thing are these deballed Rush's, Hannity's, and O'Reilly's. They're all alone. No more open white house door. No more instructions on how to brainwash mindless idiots from the White House Press Corp. No more accepting White House dinners. Thats what pisses them off, and now...we all are going to have to hear empty impotent catterwalling for years.

Great idea! NOT! The more you ignore them, the louder they ask. Soon the typical Joe/Jane on the street will be asking, "What's the big deal, why do'nt he release it?" Remember, Nixon got in trouble over the cover up.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

SIGNYM

Friday, December 5, 2008 1:53 AM

No, the average John/ Jane Doe has more things on their mind than a fabricated crisis. Just goes to show how much YOU'RE in tune with the times!!!!

Go fix yourself a gin and tonic, willya, and chill in your cabana.

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Let's party like its 1929.

STORYMARK

Friday, December 5, 2008 1:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
The more you ignore them, the louder they ask. Soon the typical Joe/Jane on the street will be asking, "What's the big deal, why do'nt he release it?" Remember, Nixon got in trouble over the cover up.

Except, there is no coverup.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

SIGNYM

Friday, December 5, 2008 2:10 AM

Quote:
Except, there is no coverup.

Only what Whozit is hoping to fabricate.

But when have facts ever been the basis for the right wing, eh?

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, December 5, 2008 2:28 AM

is who zit old enough to drink alcohol?

MALBADINLATIN

Friday, December 5, 2008 3:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
No, the average John/ Jane Doe has more things on their mind than a fabricated crisis. Just goes to show how much YOU'RE in tune with the times!!!!

Go fix yourself a gin and tonic, willya, and chill in your cabana.

I was gonna say that...oh well, well done SignyM! But thank you so much.

I would also like to introduce MalBad's Trinity for Republican spinworthiness. An issue must have the potential for one of the following to be attached to, or absoarb, the issue:

1. Frabricated Crisis
2. Phoney Outrage
3. Pseudo Scientific conclusion over logic.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, December 5, 2008 8:28 AM

4. Frem's boot, in their ass.

ANTHONYT

Friday, December 5, 2008 2:49 PM

Hello,

Whozit, please kindly image your original birth certificate and post it here for everyone to examine.

Thank you,

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

RIVERLOVE

Friday, December 5, 2008 4:16 PM

This is going to be tossed as quickly as you can say spit. No one will touch it. Presidential Elections are not overturned, never have, never will. It's absurd clinging to nothing desperation.

SIGNYM

Friday, December 5, 2008 4:20 PM

LOOK!

WHOZIT REFUSES TO BRING HIS ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO THE TABLE!

Whozit must be an illegal immigrant who snuck into the country!

Shame on you, Whozit, for biting the hand that feeds you!

Why don't you go back where you came from?

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Let's party like its 1929.

CHRISISALL

Friday, December 5, 2008 4:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

Incidentally, McCain was born in Panama. I've looked into this as well, having determined from my own research that he is, nonetheless, a natural born citizen. Had he been elected, I would have been less than happy, but I'd not be pulling out a tired and debunked story about him not being eligible. Really, it's a pretty childish way to be behaving.

This says it all, I think.

The satisfied Chrisisall

RUE

Friday, December 5, 2008 4:32 PM

Hi there ChrisIsAll

I was wondering where you were and was hoping all was well. It's good to see you around.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, December 5, 2008 4:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

I was wondering where you were and was hoping all was well. It's good to see you around.

I been busy with school & switching Obama & McCain's birth certificates, cat-bugler style, just to further confuse things- I'm bad that way.

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Friday, December 5, 2008 4:42 PM

Well then --- keep up the good pranks ... I mean - work !

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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Friday, December 5, 2008 5:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

The funniest thing are these deballed Rush's, Hannity's, and O'Reilly's. They're all alone.

Stop lumping O'Reilly with partisans like Rush or Hannity. You'd do yourself a service to watch him once in a while, all of us libertarians do. He's the most fair pundit out there now that Peter Jennings and Tim Russert have passed away.

WHOZIT

Friday, December 5, 2008 8:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
No, the average John/ Jane Doe has more things on their mind than a fabricated crisis. Just goes to show how much YOU'RE in tune with the times!!!!

Go fix yourself a gin and tonic, willya, and chill in your cabana.
I was gonna say that...oh well, well done SignyM! But thank you so much.

I would also like to introduce MalBad's Trinity for Republican spinworthiness. An issue must have the potential for one of the following to be attached to, or absoarb, the issue:

1. Frabricated Crisis
2. Phoney Outrage
3. Pseudo Scientific conclusion over logic.

And yet Barry can't release his Birth Certificate, if he did he would make us Republicans look like fools rite? So Barry, MAKE US LOOK LIKE FOOLS!!!! Would'nt you libs love that? It would be sooooooo easy, and it would make us look sooooooo bad!

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

STORYMARK

Friday, December 5, 2008 8:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:

The funniest thing are these deballed Rush's, Hannity's, and O'Reilly's. They're all alone.

Stop lumping O'Reilly with partisans like Rush or Hannity. You'd do yourself a service to watch him once in a while, all of us libertarians do. He's the most fair pundit out there now that Peter Jennings and Tim Russert have passed away.

I'll grant he's a smidge less psychotic than the other two. But fair? Hell no.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Friday, December 5, 2008 8:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
No, the average John/ Jane Doe has more things on their mind than a fabricated crisis. Just goes to show how much YOU'RE in tune with the times!!!!

Go fix yourself a gin and tonic, willya, and chill in your cabana.
I was gonna say that...oh well, well done SignyM! But thank you so much.

I would also like to introduce MalBad's Trinity for Republican spinworthiness. An issue must have the potential for one of the following to be attached to, or absoarb, the issue:

1. Frabricated Crisis
2. Phoney Outrage
3. Pseudo Scientific conclusion over logic.
And yet Barry can't release his Birth Certificate, if he did he would make us Republicans look like fools rite? So Barry, MAKE US LOOK LIKE FOOLS!!!! Would'nt you libs love that? It would be sooooooo easy, and it would make us look sooooooo bad!

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

You didn't even bother to read, did you? Afraid it might punch a hole in your faulty logic and sorry ramblings?

Pathetic.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

RUE

Saturday, December 6, 2008 11:51 PM

WHY THE STORIES ABUT OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WILL NEVER DIE

Barack Obama was, without question, born in the U.S., and he is eligible to be president, but experts on conspiracy theories say that won't ever matter to those who believe otherwise.

By Alex Koppelman

Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or, wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)

You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother, Ann, or after Hawaii state officials confirmed in October that he was born there. You might think the rumors would have died off after he was elected by a comfortable margin. Instead, they've intensified. There have been paid advertisements in the Chicago Tribune questioning the president-elect's birth certificate and eligibility, and one group is raising money to run a similar ad on television. The right-wing Web site WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the issue almost nonstop. Numerous plaintiffs have filed lawsuits in various states. And Friday, the Supreme Court's nine justices will decide whether they want to hear one of those suits, which also contends that John McCain, born in the former Panama Canal Zone, does not meet the Constitution's requirements to hold the presidency.

The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down. The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn't mean anything about its merits -- the court will also be deciding whether to take up a number of other cases, and the chances that the suit will actually be heard is exceedingly small. Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA, has calculated that over the past eight years the court has considered in conference 842 cases that sought a stay. Only 60 of them were actually heard. Seven hundred and eighty-two were denied.

But that doesn't matter. The faux controversy isn't going to go away soon. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, (and) you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit (it)."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every n

WHOZIT

Saturday, December 6, 2008 11:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
WHY THE STORIES ABUT OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WILL NEVER DIE

Barack Obama was, without question, born in the U.S., and he is eligible to be president, but experts on conspiracy theories say that won't ever matter to those who believe otherwise.

By Alex Koppelman

Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or, wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)

You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother, Ann, or after Hawaii state officials confirmed in October that he was born there. You might think the rumors would have died off after he was elected by a comfortable margin. Instead, they've intensified. There have been paid advertisements in the Chicago Tribune questioning the president-elect's birth certificate and eligibility, and one group is raising money to run a similar ad on television. The right-wing Web site WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the issue almost nonstop. Numerous plaintiffs have filed lawsuits in various states. And Friday, the Supreme Court's nine justices will decide whether they want to hear one of those suits, which also contends that John McCain, born in the former Panama Canal Zone, does not meet the Constitution's requirements to hold the presidency.

The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down. The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn't mean anything about its merits -- the court will also be deciding whether to take up a number of other cases, and the chances that the suit will actually be heard is exceedingly small. Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA, has calculated that over the past eight years the court has considered in conference 842 cases that sought a stay. Only 60 of them were actually heard. Seven hundred and eighty-two were denied.

But that doesn't matter. The faux controversy isn't going to go away soon. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, (and) you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit (it)."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit

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RUE

Sunday, December 7, 2008 12:03 AM

Can you prove you're not an alien ?

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ANTHONYT

Sunday, December 7, 2008 12:04 AM

Hello,

Faux Conspiracy Theories cooked by uncompromising nutjobs, eh?

That's just what they want you to think! ;-)

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

WHOZIT

Sunday, December 7, 2008 12:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Can you prove you're not an alien ?

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I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin