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POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 01:05
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How about that economy !
http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2007/070530_Ocampo.doc.htm
US dlr faces hard landing risk in 2009 -UN report due to 'unsustainable debt'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081201/ap_on_bi_ge/recession
It's official: US has been in a recession all year
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Originally posted by rue:
It's official: US has been in a recession all year
No, it hasn't. Rap said so.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Yeah, I saw that. Commented on it even.
Thanks anyways.
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AURAPTOR
Three point,...four hour,...should do it.
Monday, December 01, 2008 - 20:28
I guess we're in a recession.
Doesn't feel as bad as we were told though.
Huh.
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And how about the impending dollar collapse due to 'unsustainable debt' !
http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2007/070530_Ocampo.doc.htm
US dlr faces hard landing risk in 2009 -UN report due to 'unsustainable debt'
Oh, that's right. You thought the US budget wasn't so lopsided b/c Bush kept the Iraq 'War' off the books.
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The bail outs are doing wonders for the debt too, I'm sure.
Your revisionist history view of how the economy was doing well, and then leveled off, even as BUSH was calling for more regulatory control over the mortgage issue, but never mind the details. Just keep acting like the facts don't matter. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Bailouts to INVESTMENT FIRMS which most people, including myself, opposed. Which aren't working, as you may have noticed. And which, total, are 10x larger than it would have taken to pay off every bad mortgage in the US.
All done by your hero, Bush. And necessary because, well, his economic policies have been just so stellar.
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Bullshit, this was done by your buddies , the Democrats, in Congress, who forced banks to make bad loans to minority voters who couldn't afford anything but the riskiest loans, and couldn't even afford those, but the banks were forced to do so any way, least they be sued for racial profiling and unfair lending practices Bush offered to add more regulatory control, years ago, but the Dems squashed such attempts, on the notion that their constituents needed help, and make no bones about it, who ( Barney Frank ) was there to lead the charge and claim all was hunky dory w/ Fannie and Freddie.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Uhh hunh.
You know what I find so amazing about you Rap ?
It's not that you can't learn new things - after all, you 'learned' that Hussein had WMDs, that he was a threat that needed to be dealt with by a 'preventative' attack, and that those WMDs were in fact transported off to Syria right under the US's intelligence nose which was damn sure they were "around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat" - but that your learning is so selective you reject roughly 99.9999% of all data.
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Barney Frank and Dodd are certainly evil-doers in this mess; maybe even deserving of criminal prosecution. Bush, however, is the President, and all this will be a part of his legacy. That's just how it works. I saw a snippet of a new interview with him by Charles Gibson. Bush looks bewildered and bedraggled by the whole thing. It's very sad to see, because Bush is a decent man who did what he thought was necessary to protect America from further attacks. He placed trust in people around him, and they ran amok with his trust.
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"... because Bush is a decent man ..."
No, he's not. He's a front-man with no compunctions about lying as long as he gets his goody of the moment. And the fact that he was a dolt in over his head didn't help.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Barney Frank and Dodd are certainly evil-doers in this mess; maybe even deserving of criminal prosecution. Bush, however, is the President, and all this will be a part of his legacy. That's just how it works. I saw a snippet of a new interview with him by Charles Gibson. Bush looks bewildered and bedraggled by the whole thing. It's very sad to see, because Bush is a decent man who did what he thought was necessary to protect America from further attacks. He placed trust in people around him, and they ran amok with his trust.
Why is it that people think Barney Frank was behind this? After all, for most of Bush's tenure as president, Frank was merely the ranking Democratic member of the committee - a committee chaired and run by the Republicans who controlled Congress during the time in which Bush allegedly called for more regulation in the mortgage industry and less in virtually every other part of business.
So while Frank isn't completely blameless, it was a Republican-led Congress that refused to do Bush's bidding, wasn't it?
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No matter how many times people point this out - Rap keeps on with his little delusions.
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And in spite of it having been roundly, soundly, thoroughly debunked with reams of proof, he keeps selling that same line of shit.
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forced banks to make bad loans to minority voters who couldn't afford anything but the riskiest loans, and couldn't even afford those, but the banks were forced to do so any way, least they be sued for racial profiling and unfair lending practices...
I'll believe THIS, when you show me a fully armed scud launcher with weaponised bio-chem payload seized intact from Iraqi forces during desert storm.
Or how bout them Kuwaiti incubator babies, complete with photographic and forensic evidence including autopsy reports.
Or how bout them mobile weapons labs, where did we put those ?
Or how bout any of Saddams viable, launchable nuclear warheads, show me one, Rappy, why don't you ?
You INVITE mockery, by intentionally and willfully stating things not only demonstrably false, but repeatedly and totally debunked by even the most superficial investigation - and then AFTER they've been blown to powder, continuing to state them as fact.
So if you're gonna draw the bullseye on your rear end - don't be surprised when folks start putting their boot to it.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:Er... no, not anywhere near as global as you make it sound. He wanted to regulate Fannie and Freddie, which... as I have previously shown... was only about 15% of the problem. Too bad he didn't push to regulate mortgage lenders instead- that would prevented this whole mess!
even as BUSH was calling for more regulatory control over the mortgage issue
Quote:We do. You... don't.
but never mind the details.
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Originally posted by rue:
"... because Bush is a decent man ..."
No, he's not. He's a front-man with no compunctions about lying as long as he gets his goody of the moment. And the fact that he was a dolt in over his head didn't help.
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No, he's not. He's a decent man.
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Quote:Because Rappy says so! And everyone knows how accurate Rappy is.
He's a decent man.
Rappy, did it ever occur to you that proving your point takes more than just repeating it over and over, and more than repeating the same cherry-picked talking points over and over and over and over while plugging your ears to inconvenient facts?
My God man, HOW MANY times have you said this whole things was the Dem's fault because they supposedly blocked regulating Fannie and Freddie more? Has it not yet penetrated your skull that Fannie and Freddie were in far better shape than the commercial banks and only wound up with a small minority (15%) of "at risk" loans? HOW OFTEN are you gonna repeat that same mindless crap?
You're not convincing anyone of your points. The only thing you're doing is convincing peeps that the far right is a bunch a deluded dimwitted ditto-heads who wouldn't know an elephant if it sat on them! Do yourself a favor and brush up on your thinking skills, 'cause right now you're doing your cause a great disservice.
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Frem, you're either a liar or stone stupid. None of that's been "roundly, soundly, thoroughly debunked with reams of proof" , and quite the opposite.
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Quote:BECAUSE I SAID SO!
Frem, you're either a liar or stone stupid. None of that's been "roundly, soundly, thoroughly debunked with reams of proof" , and quite the opposite.
*stamps foot
AND THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH!
*stamps foot
BECAUSE I KNOW THE TRUTH AND YOU DON'T!
*pounds table
LIMBAUGH SAID SO!
*knuckles away tears
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And because I posted the relevant facts showing exactly who was at fault over Fannie and Freddie, what Bush did, back in 2003, and what the Dems said, like Barney Frank , as recent as last summer.
Bush saw this coming , and tried to do something
Dems looked the other way, either out of sheer idiocy, or they WANTED the economy to go sideways, so they could make it an election year issue.
Well, the Dems got exactly what they wanted, now I hope they choke on it.
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"showing exactly who was at fault over Fannie and Freddie" What you posted was an OPINION piece which didn't square with reality.
As usual.
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It was factually accurate, and that's something you can't stand.
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Except it wasn't.
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Quote:First of all, as Kwicko has so kindly pointed out, being the ranking Democrat in committee means absolutely diddly if the Chair is Republican. Secondly, while there was a problem at Fannie and Freddie it was not a MAJOR problem compared to the commercial banks. When you work the numbers (details, man, details!!) Freddie and Fannie account for only a small portion of the overall "toxic mortgage" problem. They neither made them, nor did they buy, bundle, and resell anywhere near as much as the banks. So how does that make it "all" the Dem's fault? What about that other 85%? You've never demonstrated a causal link between Fannie, Freddie, and the economic meltdown. And no, repeating it over and over and over again doesn't count!
And because I posted the relevant facts showing exactly who was at fault over Fannie and Freddie, what Bush did, back in 2003, and what the Dems said, like Barney Frank , as recent as last summer.
And BTW- those "laws" and "lawsuits" that you keep referring to. You have not been able to show even a single instance of that happening, and that story about Obama suing to make Citibank lend to poor people.... hell, man, even Snopes says that's FALSE.
Ya gotta do way better'n that if you want to convince us.
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Originally posted by rue:
"... because Bush is a decent man ..."
No, he's not. He's a front-man with no compunctions about lying as long as he gets his goody of the moment. And the fact that he was a dolt in over his head didn't help.
Your hate has taken you down the path to the dark side. You can't fucking give it up for a second. You're pathetic.
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Bush is not a good man. Is not now, was not then. Get a grip.
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Originally posted by rue:
Bush is not a good man. Is not now, was not then. Get a grip.
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Yeah, he is . You get a grip
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Well, considering how well you do with facts, I'd say this is all the confirmation I need. Bush was a bad man, a stooge, and a dolt.
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Quote:Ahhhh... takes me back to my youth!
Yes he is!
No, he's not!
Yes he is!
No, he's not!
You're a liar!
I'm not, you are!
No I'm not! You're a cheater!
No, I'm not, liar!
Cheater!
Liar!
Cheater!
Liar!
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Originally posted by rue:
Well, considering how well you do with facts, I'd say this is all the confirmation I need. Bush was a bad man, a stooge, and a dolt.
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Good Lord.....you 3 go at this everyday....."He was a bad man!" "No he was a great man!"
The only stooges here, are you 3....
3 stooges...man I crack me up
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"Ahhhh... takes me back to my youth!"
Well, it's what I have the patience for.
Besides, Rap (also spelled Barf) isn't interested in a discussion of facts. In fact both he and Hero are quite hostile to an open invitation to a reasoned, rational, friendly discussion. Something of which you are possibly aware, as you proffered the invite many times.
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Hey Wulf - why don't you get on Rap's case for being UNINTERESTED in discussing facts ? Do you have a PERSONAL agenda in this ? Are you only pretending to be an impartial observer ?
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Originally posted by rue:
Well, considering how well you do with facts, I'd say this is all the confirmation I need. Bush was a bad man, a stooge, and a dolt.
Go sing Kumbaya in a love circle with your Prop 8 pals. Cry together and spread the Obama love. Too bad your lowly ilk has no compassion and understanding beyond your own disgusting agenda. We'll see how your Dems do with world, but you won't hear us hating Obama and cursing him like you sorry sacks of shit have for 8 years. That's why we're better people than you, people that matter in this world. You're just a whiner, a complainer, and an idiot who cuts and pastes shit to show how smart you are. Embarrassingly pathetic is all.
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Originally posted by rue:
Well, considering how well you do with facts, I'd say this is all the confirmation I need. Bush was a bad man, a stooge, and a dolt.
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I see the world as over 4 billion yrs old, and you're the young earth Creationist.
That's where we stand on 'the facts'. You probably hate Darwin too.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Ah, the wonder of unintended irony.
Preserved here from post-editing for the ages (should you ever get a clue).
"Go sing Kumbaya in a love circle with your Prop 8 pals. Cry together and spread the Obama love. Too bad your lowly ilk has no compassion and understanding beyond your own disgusting agenda. We'll see how your Dems do with world, but you won't hear us hating Obama and cursing him like you sorry sacks of shit have for 8 years. That's why we're better people than you, people that matter in this world. You're just a whiner, a complainer, and a idiot who cuts and pastes shit to show how smart you are. Embarrassingly pathetic is all."
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"I see the world as over 4 billion yrs old, and you're the young earth Creationist.
That's where we stand on 'the facts'. You probably hate Darwin too."
Yep. Rap says the needle points south, yet again.
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Rue, Rap...
You guys do this everyday.....
Jeeze.... just sleep together already....
(I KEED, I KEED!)
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Fuck You Rue
Yer nothing but a big fat asshole
My days of trying to be friendly are over, permanently over.
These boards suck, and yer the biggest sucker there is
You cant give Bush one inch and that is beyond demented
Fuck You Rue
Read it, learn it, you fucking piece of shit
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Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Well, considering how well you do with facts, I'd say this is all the confirmation I need. Bush was a bad man, a stooge, and a dolt.
Go sing Kumbaya in a love circle with your Prop 8 pals. Cry together and spread the Obama love. Too bad your lowly ilk has no compassion and understanding beyond your own disgusting agenda. We'll see how your Dems do with world, but you won't hear us hating Obama and cursing him like you sorry sacks of shit have for 8 years. That's why we're better people than you, people that matter in this world. You're just a whiner, a complainer, and an idiot who cuts and pastes shit to show how smart you are. Embarrassingly pathetic is all.
LOL!
Wow. You don't have a particularly strong grasp on irony, do ya?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by rue:
"I see the world as over 4 billion yrs old, and you're the young earth Creationist.
That's where we stand on 'the facts'. You probably hate Darwin too."
Yep. Rap says the needle points south, yet again.
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Not currently, but polar shifts do occur, magneticlaly speaking.
There, ya learned something again.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Rue, Rap...
You guys do this everyday.....
Jeeze.... just sleep together already....
(I KEED, I KEED!)
Citizen tried this w/ me too, but I never gave it up for him. What makes you think I'd be any different w/ Rue ?
( grossed out by self now )
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:And you are....?
The only stooges here, are you 3....
Rappy- Anyway, to get back to my original point...
Because Fannie and Freddie hold approximately 15% of "at risk" mortgages and because the Dems "somehow" stopped reform in a Republican Congress, how does this "all" trace back to the Dems????
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Quote:You can shove your irony up your ass too if it pleases you.
Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Well, considering how well you do with facts, I'd say this is all the confirmation I need. Bush was a bad man, a stooge, and a dolt.
Go sing Kumbaya in a love circle with your Prop 8 pals. Cry together and spread the Obama love. Too bad your lowly ilk has no compassion and understanding beyond your own disgusting agenda. We'll see how your Dems do with world, but you won't hear us hating Obama and cursing him like you sorry sacks of shit have for 8 years. That's why we're better people than you, people that matter in this world. You're just a whiner, a complainer, and an idiot who cuts and pastes shit to show how smart you are. Embarrassingly pathetic is all.
LOL!
Wow. You don't have a particularly strong grasp on irony, do ya?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Someone's cranky.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Oh please Riverlove, we get the idea that you're an angry, bitter person. You've made your point, and what a nice one it is too! So stow it, OK?
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:And you are....?
The only stooges here, are you 3....
Rappy- Anyway, to get back to my original point...
Because Fannie and Freddie hold approximately 15% of "at risk" mortgages and because the Dems "somehow" stopped reform in a Republican Congress, how does this "all" trace back to the Dems????
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Because it just does. Rappy said so. So there. The end.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Now, Sigy...remember that old rule about living in a glass houses....or the plank in thine OWN eye...
(whistling quietly to myself)
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HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
No, it's because Rush said so.
Rappy, you are too predictable and too at odds with reality to be an effective spokesperson for your side. Worse, you serve as a strong negative example. I hope that you're not REALLY trying to convince us because, damn, you're working your way backwards.
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Quote:Go thou and do likewise.
Now, Sigy...remember that old rule about living in a glass houses....or the plank in thine OWN eye...
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How about this...ALL of you are RIGHT...and ALL of you are WRONG...
Now just agree to disagree and move on.....
Edited: Except for me. Im always right. All hail the mighty power of Wulf....disagree with me at your own peril....
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Originally posted by SignyM:
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
No, it's because Rush said so.
Rappy, you are too predictable and too at odds with reality to be an effective spokesperson for your side. Worse, you serve as a strong negative example. I hope that you're not REALLY trying to convince us because, damn, you're working your way backwards.
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I once had the theory that Rappy was really a Liberal, doing a damned fine job of making the right look like nutcases.
Now, I think he pushes sooooo hard to the right in an effort to make normal righties look rational by comparison.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
How about this...ALL of you are RIGHT...and ALL of you are WRONG...
Now just agree to disagree and move on.....
Maybe I cant move on.
If I and other Conservatives can give Obama every chance and not pre-emptively bash him every second, why can't Bush haters just say he's a decent man??? I make a post saying that Bush will ultimately be blamed for the financial mess simply because Presidents are responsible for results during their term.....and I'm still attacked & the Bush hatred piling on continues. Its fucking ridiculous already. There is NO reconcilliation with these Liberal motherfuckers until they say something positive for fucking once about Bush. I want to hear that before I can move on.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Maybe I cant move on.
If I and other Conservatives can give Obama every chance and not pre-emptively bash him every second, why can't Bush haters just say he's a decent man???
Maybe because they're not remotely the same fuckin' thing???
Like you said - one side is "pre-emptively" bashing Obama before he's even taken the job. And there has been plenty of that, so don't act like the conservatives havn't been doing any.
The other is looking back at 8 years of history, and judging the man on what he's done.
You see - not the same thing. One side is going off what has, you know, actually happened. And sorry - we DO NOT see him as a decent guy. The other side is going off what they thik will, or are afraid will happen - but unless they have a souped-up Delorian, they DON'T FUCKING KNOW.
Not even close.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Look, I see a lot of opinions concerning Bush here, and they're ALL wrong. Let me & my omnipotent perception help y'all out:
Bush is NOT a bad man (try not to faint).
He may be many things, but he is a man who thought he was always doing the right thing, or trying to at least. You wanna know what his sin is? Pride. He wont come to grips with the fact that he's of very average intelligence. He actually thinks he knows what's going on. Cheney probably enables that perception.
Yeah, he made his pals happy with contracts like Blackwater got, but that wasn't ALL Bush, remember. 'Bad' is when peeps do stuff TO HURT others. Incompetence is when you hurt peeps through bad judgement.
Example: WMD wasn't a lie, it was a necessary semi-fabrication of what really was the case, & if it wasn't the case, there were other things as yet unknown that Saddam had or would use against the world.
See? It's not that black & white. He may have been a bad President, but for gosh sakes, let's give the poor guy a break at this juncture, eh? He's cryin' in his beer already.
The sensitive Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Look, I see a lot of opinions concerning Bush here, and they're ALL wrong. Let me & my omnipotent perception help y'all out:
Bush is NOT a bad man (try not to faint).
He may be many things, but he is a man who thought he was always doing the right thing, or trying to at least. You wanna know what his sin is? Pride. He wont come to grips with the fact that he's of very average intelligence. He actually thinks he knows what's going on. Cheney probably enables that perception.
Example: WMD wasn't a lie, it was a necessary semi-fabrication of what really was the case, & if it wasn't the case, there were other things as yet unknown that Saddam had or would use against the world.
See? It's not that black & white. He may have been a bad President, but for gosh sakes, let's give the poor guy a break at this juncture, eh? He's cryin' in his beer already.
The sensitive Chrisisall
Well said. Which ties back into my comments about evil in the Disney thread. I don't think Bush is evil - but some do, and for some of them, from their POV, they have good reason.
I do think he was trying to do what he thought was best. Doesn't mean he was right, or even competant about it.
However, just because I'll say he's not evil - doesn't mean I have to say he's a decent guy. His ego and obstinance, his refusal to ever take responsibility or admit to a mistake easily rule him out of that group, by my standards.
As for cutting him a break - fuck that. he wanted to be the guy in charge. He dropped the ball. Now he gets the blame.
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Well, I never said he was decent, just that you can't really classify him as 'bad'.
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Quote:Mmm... something positive.
There is NO reconcilliation with these Liberal motherfuckers until they say something positive for fucking once about Bush. I want to hear that before I can move on.
Okay, here's one: No Child Left Behind. There are large parts of the program that need reworking, but the idea of measuring all schools to a consistent standard is the first step towards improving the poor performers.
BTW- Why are you so angry all the time? Can you move on now?
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Quote:You're assuming that one is (a) not a victim of massive denial AND is (b) intelligent enough to fully comprehend the consequences of their actions.
Originally posted by rue:
If I hurt someone through ignorance, it makes me incompetent. If I do it again, and again, and again, it makes me evil.
That does not describe Mr. Bush, IMO.
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I don't know if we'll ever get to the truth of whether Bush is an "evil man". However he DID bad things which will have negative consequences on Americans and the world for decades to come.
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I swear, it's like baiting a cat with a piece of string, and sometimes almost as much fun.
Although it does kinda take the challenge out exposing them when they do so much of the work for me.
Toooo easy.
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Well, considering how well you do with facts, I'd say this is all the confirmation I need. Bush was a bad man, a stooge, and a dolt.
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Maybe we can compromise, and agree that Bush was a decent dolt.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Fuck You Rue
Yer nothing but a big fat asshole
My days of trying to be friendly are over, permanently over.
These boards suck, and yer the biggest sucker there is
You cant give Bush one inch and that is beyond demented
Fuck You Rue
Read it, learn it, you fucking piece of shit
Somebody here once said something, something almost profound... if I could only find it... Wait! Here it is:
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Your hate has taken you down the path to the dark side. You can't fucking give it up for a second. You're pathetic.
Quite so. Pathetic in your hate and your descent into the dark side.
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Not currently, but polar shifts do occur, magneticlaly speaking.
There, ya learned something again.
How to misspell "magnetically"?
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Here's why I think about it the way I do --- let's say you're an average person, maybe not really good, but not really bad; not really smart, but not really stupid; not with a perfect memory, but not completely demented either. Just ... average.
You do one thing out of ignorance and it doesn't turn out the way you want. Let's say you tell people you have 'proof' bin Laden did 9/11, you get everyone fired up with words like 'dead or alive', invade the country, spend months looking for said proof you claimed to already have, and let bin Laden slip away.
As an average person, what do you do ? Do you go back and try and figure out where you went wrong ? Do you figure out how to make it right ? Or do you flush the whole misadventure and cook up another story to go somewhere else, and do the same stupid thing all over again, except with more lives at stake ?
If you are an average person, with average memory, intelligence and ethics, you learn a painful lesson. That lesson would be that going into an invasion under false pretenses with bad intell has a chance of blowing up in your face.
But if you never really intended to get bin Laden, and you were really interested in Hussein anyway, and you didn't care what you had to say and who had to die to get you what you wanted, that lesson would be moot.
It's not that he did one wrong thing and it came out badly. It's that he did them over and over. Which makes it seem on purpose rather than accidental. And therefore, evil.
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Originally posted by Riverlove: There is NO reconcilliation with these Liberal motherfuckers until they say something positive for fucking once about Bush. I want to hear that before I can move on.
Okay, I'm POSITIVE that Bush was a disaster as our leader. Satisfied? Can you move on now?
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It's not that he did one wrong thing and it came out badly. It's that he did them over and over. Which makes it seem on purpose rather than accidental. And therefore, evil.
Or at the very least, doltish.
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Are you saying people voted for a complete idiot ???
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Oh wait, what was I thinking. There were at least a few people who voted for Palin.
But anyway, remember when people were talking about how Bush was smarter than Kerry ? (estimated IQ of 125 ranging 111 to 139) Do you think someone with an estimated IQ that high could really be so dense ?
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Do you think someone with an estimated IQ that high could really be so dense ?
Yes. But only because I think that someone with an estimated IQ that LOW could be that dense.
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Hello,
I do not enjoy the tone of merciless aggression and unending vile insults spawned here in this thread. I wish there was a common ground between the zealots on both sides.
For my own part, it matters little whether Bush was 'evil' or 'good.' I don't personally believe he was 'evil' but the disposition of his soul is of little import.
He was a flawed leader who made some decisions that turned out to be wrong and some statements or suggestions that turned out to be untrue. He and his administration made enough mistakes to lose the popular support of the American people.
Now there is a new President and we all hope his presidency will help America to become stronger. We all hope he will be wise. We hope he will be more often right than wrong. We probably also hope he is a good person, and not an evil person, but none of us is in a position to know that. Not really.
It's time to stop throwing torches at people and start using them to light the way. Painting Bush as a Monster can not be more important than getting along with one another. Demonizing this president can not be more important than embracing the future prosperity of our nation. Bush just doesn't matter enough anymore. He's not worth this kind of vehemence on both sides.
Tomorrow is coming. I don't ask you to forget Yesterday, but I will ask you to stop living there and fighting there.
--Anthony
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"... because Bush is a decent man ..."
When people post this I have to disagree. The man lied to go to war - twice. He condoned torture, spied on innocent people, took away our freedoms, and drove a thriving economy into the ground, causing much current and future suffering. He also caused untold deaths worldwide with his 'abstinence only' anti-AIDS restrictions. His impact on the environment has yet to be measured.
And it's not like there weren't people - me for example - predicting these problems or pointing them out at the time. This is not 20/20 hindsight. And I'm not ready to say I was wrong when I was right.
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Hello,
I suppose I wish there was a way to disagree without committing verbal Jihad against one another. Some of the words and phrases used here, if used in the same tone as in these posts, would get someone punched in the face in the real world.
I often envision the speakers glaring at each other, poking the other person in the chest, yelling epithets and curses at the top of their lungs, faces inches from one another, frothy spittle flying forth.
Maybe it's just me, but this is what these conversations look like.
--Anthony
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Then imagine mine spoken in a low monotone from behind a genuinely nasty smile, cause that's how it's delivered.
And I disagree with your above statement because knowledge of History is the key to not repeating it's mistakes.
Every time this cycle goes round, folks forget just what these people really *ARE* underneath their polite little masks, they creep right back into the seat of power and drive us to the brink of ruination, and we never do recover all the ground we lose each time - it's like a decaying orbit, sooner or later, kerplunk.
Not on my watch, Anthony - the reason I will not let it go is because to do so is a gold plated invitation for it to happen all over again just as soon as the memory of these awful times fades.
The horrors of McCarthy and the Red Scare, and Nixon and Watergate... gave way to the sixties and the flower children, and then people forgot.
And inch by inch, these sleazebags (and remember I consider this irrespective of the political party they're hiding behind at the time) crawled back into power, aided and abetted by the kind and generous folk who's commentary has SO improved the quality of this thread.. *SNARK*
Frankly, there are indeed times when holding a grudge is the course of wisdom, and this is one of em.
-Frem
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Quote:Where ? Not ONCE did Bush do any such thing, and now you've expanded this urban legend to twice, not once. Since you're so hard up about evidence, and yet you casually toss around the lie that Bush lied.
Originally posted by rue:
"... because Bush is a decent man ..."
When people post this I have to disagree. The man lied to go to war - twice.
Quote:He did none of those things, and you know it
He condoned torture, spied on innocent people, took away our freedoms, and drove a thriving economy into the ground, causing much current and future suffering.
Quote:What's over the top and hyperbole is your phony indignation
He also caused untold deaths worldwide with his 'abstinence only' anti-AIDS restrictions. His impact on the environment has yet to be measured.
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And it's not like there weren't people - me for example - predicting these problems or pointing them out at the time. This is not 20/20 hindsight. And I'm not ready to say I was wrong when I was right.
You were wrong.
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Thanks for another detour into Rappy Land. Bullshit of course (he didn't condone torture? Where the hell have you been? Oh, right... Rappy Land).
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Meanwhile Rappy has rather carefully avoided my specific questions, as usual.
In case he's forgotten what they were:
1) How did the Dems "protect" Fannie and Freddie from stricter regulation at a time when Republicans were in charge of Congress?
2) If 15% of at risk-loans had been avoided (by Fannie and Freddie) how would that have prevented an economic meltdown?
3) What effect did the other 85% have?
4) Who was responsible for those mortgages?
4) Can Rappy come up with one single example of a bank "forced" by government regulations or threat of lawsuit to make bad loans to poor people?
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I'd like you to point out where my posts are over the line - with quotes. Also, where Rap's are over the line, as well as Riverlove's - with quotes.
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This is a serious post. When I re-read my posts, I find nothing particularly egregious.
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Meanwhile Rappy has rather carefully avoided my specific questions, as usual.
You expected otherwise?
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Quote:Not really.
You expected otherwise?
But I'm hoping that if Rappy runs into the situation often enough he'll get the idea that his thinking is pretty limited to data he agrees with. And if you want to find "the truth" that's a piss-poor way of going about it.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Thanks for another detour into Rappy Land. Bullshit of course (he didn't condone torture? Where the hell have you been? Oh, right... Rappy Land).
My patience grows thin w/ the likes of you, dumbass. Understand what is being discussed. Terrorist, captured on the field of battle, ( not in uniform ) who had intel which could save the lives of OUR soldiers or of innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan or hell, any where else, for that matter, don't deserve a lawyer or their day in OUR courts. Were we could have just shot them there, on the field, per Geneva Accord rules of engagement, we captured them, and asked , as best we could , to get what intel we could out of them.
How is this not getting through to you ? Oh, I know, you hate Bush. Nothing else matters.
Dick
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Rappy- You'd rather fight with Rue and Storymark than come up with a cogent explanation for your viewpoints?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy- You'd rather fight with Rue and Storymark than come up with a cogent explanation for your viewpoints?
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I'd rather hear where Bush lied us into war than get all muddy talking about a global economic crisis. All I know is that it wasn't " Bush's fault " as Rue and others seem to want to make it.
I've heard the saying, of 100 economist and how you can't find 2 which agree.
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This is why you have no credibility Rappy. You won't even explain yourself. Yeah, you'll repeat ad infinitum as nauseum... "It's all the Democrat's fault"... but when someone asks "How?" you can't track cause-and-effect.
I really don't know what you're doing here. If you're trying to convince us that you're right you're having the entirely opposite effect. Very bad for your cause, that's for sure, if all you can do is repeat slogans.
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I don't have to, it's already been expolained. What hasn't been said, EVER, is where Bush lied.
I have plenty of cred, only you don't want to admit it, cause you know I'm right and you're wrong.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy- You'd rather fight with Rue and Storymark than come up with a cogent explanation for your viewpoints?
I'd rather hear where Bush lied us into war than get all muddy talking about a global economic crisis. All I know is that it wasn't " Bush's fault " as Rue and others seem to want to make it.
I've heard the saying, of 100 economist and how you can't find 2 which agree.
Guess that's a resounding YES!
Anything to avoid facts in Rappy Land.
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I don't have to, it's already been expolained.
Bullshit. Flat-out bald-faced LIE. You've been asked in many threads for clarification on those same points, and ALWAYS DODGE. You are a coward and liar, sir. Through and through.
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What hasn't been said, EVER, is where Bush lied.
Sure it has. Just because you stamp your foot and say "nuh-uh" doesn't mean it hasn't been said.
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I have plenty of cred, only you don't want to admit it, cause you know I'm right and you're wrong.
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
Thanks, man. You are always good for a laugh.
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Quote:What has been explained? That Fannie and Freddie, owning only 15% of a problem, caused 100% of an economic meltdown? That the Dems protected Fannie and Freddie even tho they weren't in power? That banks were forced into making bad loans- even tho not a single example exists?
I don't have to, it's already been expolained
Yeah, you've told us your talking points, over and over and over.... That's not good enough. Now, give us your REASONS for saying what you said, and be prepared to show us how it is true.
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Storymark , go fuck yourself I DID show where Bush tried, in 2003, to regulate Fanny and Freddie more, and also showed you were Barney Frank said there was no reason to do so, all was well, and this was nothing but an attempt by the Right to clamp down on minorities and make them fear there's a problem w/ the housing when there was none.
I'm so god damn fucking sick of this merry go round, you chosing to see what you want, ignoring what you don't like, acting like i never said anything, when I've given you exactly what you wanted, sometimes a few times over,
Until anyone shows where Bush lied, I'm not answreing ONE GOD DAMN FUCKING QUESTION!
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What has been explained? That Fannie and Freddie, owning only 15% of a problem, caused 100% of an economic meltdown? That the Dems protected Fannie and Freddie even tho they weren't in power? That banks were forced into making bad loans- even tho not a single example exists?
I don't give a f*ck what Barney Frank said... WHO DID WHAT? Were votes taken in committee?
I don't give a f*ck what YOU think the banking rules were "supposed" to do.. WHAT DID THEY DO? Did they actually force banks to make bad loans?? If so, certainly there must be ONE example out there. If not... you have no case.
Yeah, you've told us your talking points, over and over and over.... That's not good enough. Now, give us your REASONS for saying what you said, and be prepared to show us how it is true.
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SIG.....it's good enough, because it's been explained.
I'm not playing the role of non believer to your Inquisition, where I must phrase every little respone in the form of a question, with pictures, links, in triplicate with little arrows and circles. Go role play Senate Commission w/ someone else, I'm not playing.
G'day.
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Storymark , go fuck yourself I DID show where Bush tried, in 2003, to regulate Fanny and Freddie more, and also showed you were Barney Frank said there was no reason to do so, all was well, and this was nothing but an attempt by the Right to clamp down on minorities and make them fear there's a problem w/ the housing when there was none.
And you've been shown how there was a lot more to it than your cherry picked info, yet you consistantly ignore it.
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I'm so god damn fucking sick of this merry go round, you chosing to see what you want, ignoring what you don't like, acting like i never said anything, when I've given you exactly what you wanted, sometimes a few times over,
Funny, because that's how we view you. You grab one little bit of info, cling to it, and deny everything else. just like you are here.
But no, you don't give us "what we wanted" - you are frequently asked direct questions, which you refuse to answer.
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Until anyone shows where Bush lied, I'm not answreing ONE GOD DAMN FUCKING QUESTION!
You've been shown, yet ignore. But you've got your nice little pat cowards excuse now.
Oh, and go fuck yourself, too.
Rappy: Coward. LIAR. Personified.
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Quote:Look, I'm asking you to explain yourself about YOUR economic opinions. Has nothing to do with Bush. In fact, it's a blatantly obvious avoidance tactic and we all can see that.
Until anyone shows where Bush lied, I'm not answreing ONE GOD DAMN FUCKING QUESTION!
Quote:No, you haven't. You've repeated the same stuff over and over. That's not an explanation. That's just your opinion.
SIG.....it's good enough, because it's been explained.
I've responded to your posts. I looked up Fannie and Freddie's "ownership" of toxic mortgages. I looked up the Citibank lawsuit that you linked. I'm not igonring your posts, I've responded to them with research.
You, OTOH, have not addressed a single one of my questions. All you've done is bloviate. And frankly, who give a rat's patooties about your opinion? Where's the data? Where's the facts? If your opinion is so devoid of facts... well then, it's just one more blowhole's noise.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Look, I'm asking you to explain yourself about YOUR economic opinions. Has nothing to do with Bush. In fact, it's a blatantly obvious avoidance tactic and we all can see that.
Until anyone shows where Bush lied, I'm not answreing ONE GOD DAMN FUCKING QUESTION!Quote:No, you haven't. You've repeated the same stuff over and over. That's not an explanation. That's just your opinion.
SIG.....it's good enough, because it's been explained.
Who give a rat's patooties about your opinion? Where's the data? Where's the facts? If your opinion is so devoid of facts... well then, it's just one more blowhole's noise.
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This is what happens when you try having a conversation with someone who cannot differentiate between fact and opinion.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
In fact, it's a blatantly obvious avoidance tactic and we all can see that.
It's a nice attepmt, though. He'll only back up his bullshit if we irrifutable prove that which he refuses to accept any evidence of. It's clever in a psychopathic sorta way.
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Quote:And this would be different from your usual MO... how?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
...I'm not answreing ONE GOD DAMN FUCKING QUESTION!
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Quote:Amen, brother. If Rappy knew the difference maybe he wouldn't try to emulate Limbaugh so closely. (ie bloviating)
This is what happens when you try having a conversation with someone who cannot differentiate between fact and opinion
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Story,
Go stroke your ego somewhere else. It's NEVER been shown that Bush lied us into war, you know how I know this ? I've been asking the same question on other boards for 5 year now, and NOT ONCE has any lying, limp wristed, coward punk of a Liberal aswered that question.
NOT EVER.
So, until you or anyone answer....go fuck yourself.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Liar.
I've seen that question answered DOZENS of times. Every time it is, you just rationalize or ignore, your usual procedure.
Now, you're just going to use it to hide from asnwering for any of your bullshit.
You continually prove the depths of your cowardice.
Cheers, ya little chickenshit.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Larry, Curly and Moe strike again...
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