Boycott ENTERPRISE .. it's just that bad.

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 24, 2005 20:10
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ANNIK

Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:43 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
The absolute most alien show I've ever seen is FF.

There was an exchange that went (more or less):
"If you can't run, then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, and if you can't crawl ..."

Now as I was following this I was trying to predict how this sequence would end.

In Western cultures we are taught that only the 'immutable' things are meaningful ... the isms and ologies. People achieve meaning with their lives only insofar as they lose themselves or sacrifice themselves to the greater. It makes our economic system possible (c'mon, do you REALLY want your certain fate to be to toil most of the years of your life and hope and pray you don't get ill and wiped out financially?) So our ending would be "if you can't crawl ... do yourself in so as not to be a burden to this big all important ism."

Instead it ended ... "find someone to carry you."
Now THAT is political. And alien.

Much more interesting that watching cowBOYS in space.

Great catch, Rue! As one of those needing someone to carry me right now (gorram cancer!) I think this is right on the money.

Cheers,
Annik
... my sister's a ship. We had a complicated childhood.

HUMBLE

Saturday, May 22, 2004 10:20 PM

Well, personally, I have never been a big fan of Star Trek. The Borg in STNG were a very interesting concept to me along with the Borg tie-ins with Voyager. I do watch Enterprise from time to time. Lately, the eps HAVE been getting pretty good. (They must have fired all the writers? Noticed that cast members from Voyager are directing some eps. Roxanne Dawson is doing a good job and I think Levar Burton does well as a director.) One of my favorite shows Babylon Five, was really slow getting out of the gate but it took off after Boxleitner joined the cast. Maybe Enterprise will come around as well. You're 100% right about the "Forgetten Cast Members" not being included into show. The Mayweather and Hoshi characters are so far out in left field that sometimes I forget they are in the show at all! Capt. Archer's character is boring and lacks a spine. Tripp or T'Pol could do better. Maybe a casting change is in order? Incidentally, concerning the ship. Could they blow that hunk of junk up and build a cooler one next season? (If there IS a next season.)

Can't wait untill Serenity comes to the big screen!!

SOUTHERNMERC

Saturday, May 22, 2004 11:46 PM

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However, the ORIGINAL cause of war was, essentially, a lie. There are no weapons of mass destruction found, a year after the war. In England, it was found that the idea of 45-minute deployable WMD was in fact a lie.

Didn't they find some artillery shells with sarin gas in them? I don't remember the exact news bit, so can you clarify?

Can I get a sorta consensus going as to whether or not to check out the latest season of Enterprise? They are going with a fourth season, so my thoughts are it is either: total mass market pablum being brought back OR actually worth losing an hour of my life watching.

Thanx.

Jayne: "See, Vera? You get dressed up, you get taken someplace fun!"

SHINY

Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:04 AM

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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincdc:
I have been watching Enterprise since the first ep, and am thoroughly pleased that it is coming back. For one reason, because it pisses you off so much.

I formally ask you to go find a hobby other than slandering me.

Ghoulman, in your naive and incorrect use of 'slander', you display the same lack of sagaciousness that you pedantically enjoy pointing out in others:

http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article?eu=387728&query=slander&ct=

"In law, issuance of false statements about a person that injure his reputation or that deter others from associating with him...Slander is defamation by oral communication. An action for slander may be brought without alleging and proving special injury if the statement has a plainly harmful character, as by imputing to the plaintiff criminal guilt, serious sexual misconduct, or a characteristic negatively affecting his business or profession. The defense in defamation cases often takes the form of seeking to establish the truth of the statements in question."

Now that we've established your own lack of sagacity, go take a valium or ten, well ya? And stop insulting your fellow browncoats just because they disagree with your pretentious pseudo-intellectual babblings.

Full disclosure: I hate what Bush and the neocons are doing to this country, and am disgusted at the spinelessness of moderate, once-upon-a-time-fiscally-responsible republicans (and democrats) for not standing up to the administration. Oh, and I think Enterprise was so-so in the first couple seasons and pretty good overall in this last season...and I'll be ignoring your inevitable attack on my intelligence and/or taste, so don't waste your breath.

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QUICKSAND

Sunday, May 23, 2004 7:13 AM

It's a viable universe, except when Roddenberry (who was brilliant) died, for some reason the torch was passed to Ronald Moore and Brannon Braga, who are morons.

Fascistic, mysoginistic morons, if I recall their episodes of "TNG" correctly.

They killed it dead. And they're too stupid to know it, because of all that money and sex they have.

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RUE

Sunday, May 23, 2004 5:57 PM

Annik,

Not having been where you are, I can only imagine.

I hope you live in a humane country with decent medical care and basic support for every day life.

And I deeply and sincerely hope you are doing better every day.

JLP

Monday, May 24, 2004 7:11 PM

Annik,

I too hope that you are doing well, and that you are not in any pain. I hope that this board and the general company of browncoats can bring a little enjoyment.

Best wishes.

DUNDEE

Monday, May 24, 2004 7:48 PM

i watched an eppisode of enterprise the other day.... i didnt think it was all THAT bad..... ofcourse i also fell asleep 10 minutes in so.........

Dear diary, Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy,
Today we where kidnapped my hill folk never to be seen again, it was the best day ever.

FIREFLEW

Monday, May 24, 2004 8:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SouthernMerc:
Quote:
However, the ORIGINAL cause of war was, essentially, a lie. There are no weapons of mass destruction found, a year after the war. In England, it was found that the idea of 45-minute deployable WMD was in fact a lie.

Didn't they find some artillery shells with sarin gas in them? I don't remember the exact news bit, so can you clarify?

I'm not sure about that, but I was referring to the claim that Iraq had deployable (within 45 minutes) long range weapons of mass destrution; this was the information that Bush/Blair presented to people in order to get backing for a war.

Jayne: "Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in command."

MAUGWAI

Monday, May 24, 2004 8:51 PM

I think some people are confused about the difference between an allegory and a message. I definitely think Enterprise has several messages. Any decent show does. And I happen to like Enterprise better the second half of this season. So I watch it. I don't really care if anybody else does. If you hate it, more power to you. Watch something else.

But I don't think it's an allegory. An allegory is a story in which every element symbolizes something in real life, and the story its self is a symbol of a real life issue. So if you do believe Enterprise is completely symbolic of Bush's regime, then I suppose you're right in calling it an allegory. But I don't think everything in the show has a real life reflection.

Personally, I think the show has been finding its way this season. It's about sacrifices, both moral and physical, that we make for the greater good, and whether or not it's worth the cost. And I think that's worth investigating.

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

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