Disney = Evil?

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AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

So.....

Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil....

Discuss

For the sake of discussion....

Disney is a real, active company looking to make money, while Santa is a fictional cultural icon based on a saint, that is these days used to entice people into spending money.

Since one is essentially just an object, it can hardly be inherently evil, right? So, a comparison in terms of evilness is not really possible.

Unless you want to discuss whether the qualities of the fictional Santa Claus somehow constitute evil. He commits social manipulation through material bribes. *shrug* Still a little different from Disney.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:48 PM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

So.....

Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil....

Discuss

For the sake of discussion....

Disney is a real, active company looking to make money, while Santa is a fictional cultural icon based on a saint, that is these days used to entice people into spending money.

Since one is essentially just an object, it can hardly be inherently evil, right? So, a comparison in terms of evilness is not really possible.

Unless you want to discuss whether the qualities of the fictional Santa Claus somehow constitute evil. He commits social manipulation through material bribes. *shrug* Still a little different from Disney.

Hehe.... Nice post.

I do admit that I've seen some scary incarnations of Mr. Claus (will somebody get this guy a Doctorate already?) Santa on Futurama, Bad Santa, Goldburg in Santa's Slay.....

Santa and Disney though..... Sure some similarities, some differences. No two snowflakes are alike.

How about....

Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil.

Disney is no more human than Santa Claus is human.

Discuss....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:56 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

The world is a very dangerous place. Evil is everywhere, but no more prevalent than your local Mormon church. Watch out, evil bake sale benefitting African AIDS orphans, and Gay hate speech this weekend.

One of these I do consider hateful and misguided, one of these I do not.

I don't believe in the concept of evil, ultimately. 'Hateful, cowardly and misguided' makes a lot more sense than such an absolute, exclusive concept.

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

How about....

Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil.

Disney is no more human than Santa Claus is human.

Discuss....

Correct, but too general. *g*

Santa is a fictional cultural entity perpetuated by society.

Disney is a real commercial entity run by a select group of people.

Neither is essentially evil and in both cases it entirely depends on how the people behind the entity use it for their personal interests.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:12 PM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:

The world is a very dangerous place. Evil is everywhere, but no more prevalent than your local Mormon church. Watch out, evil bake sale benefitting African AIDS orphans, and Gay hate speech this weekend.

One of these I do consider hateful and misguided, one of these I do not.

I don't believe in the concept of evil, ultimately. 'Hateful, cowardly and misguided' makes a lot more sense than such an absolute, exclusive concept.

How profound AR...... One is an organization with good things going for it and bad things going for it. The other is... well.... one that has good things going for it and bad things going for it.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

How about....

Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil.

Disney is no more human than Santa Claus is human.

Discuss....

Correct, but too general. *g*

Santa is a fictional cultural entity perpetuated by society.

Disney is a real commercial entity run by a select group of people.

Neither is essentially evil and in both cases it entirely depends on how the people behind the entity use it for their personal interests.

Good point.

How's this?

Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil.

Disney is no more human than Santa Claus is human.

Walt Disney's legacy has been no less exploited by those who do anything to make their bottom line look good this quarter without thinking about 5 quarters from now when they have 20 million dollar parachutes than Santa Claus has been......

Discuss

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RIVERLOVE

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Originally posted by Riverlove:

The world is a very dangerous place. Evil is everywhere, but no more prevalent than your local Mormon church. Watch out, evil bake sale benefitting African AIDS orphans, and Gay hate speech this weekend.
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One of these I do consider hateful and misguided, one of these I do not.

That's really fascinating. Which one is which?

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I don't believe in the concept of evil, ultimately. 'Hateful, cowardly and misguided' makes a lot more sense than such an absolute, exclusive concept.

I'm sure the families of the 911 attack victims, the Holocaust survivors from WWII, the parents of raped & murdered children, the families of the Manson Family murder spree, and the folks this week in India would agree wholeheartedly that there is no evil in the world, just some poor mis-guided folks. You betcha!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:

Quote:
I don't believe in the concept of evil, ultimately. 'Hateful, cowardly and misguided' makes a lot more sense than such an absolute, exclusive concept.

I'm sure the families of the 911 attack victims, the Holocaust survivors from WWII, the parents of raped & murdered children, and the folks this week in India would agree wholeheartedly that there is no evil, just some mis-guided folks. You betcha!

Now you can do better than that.... Nobody wants to hear about some planes that were remotely flown into buildings or history books re-written about WWII...

Let's see some real world examples of evil.

Throw Greed and Lust into the cowardly and misguided and you hardly have to walk two steps in any direction in New York or Chicago to find a face-full of it.

Sure, I believe evil exists. Just not in the rigid textbook definitions of the status-quo. There is far too much intended sympathy going along with either of those stories.

As for the Indians, I can't say one way or another what those who were murdered thought beforehand. People are scared, but people have to live too. I would hate living in a world where everyone was afraid of everyone and everything all the time. They were just chillin' at the hotel.... granted the Rich Person hotel...

As for those attacking and their reasons, well I just refuse that a bunch of cold hearted murdering maniacs with no regard for human life did something like that. We'll never in a million years know why they committed those acts upon those presumably innocient people and we can hardly speculate as to why anybody would do that to people they didn't even know from blinding darkness in the depths of the well of truth.

I refuse to believe that they are in any way like the Joker. I've never even seen The Dark Knight, but I've read enough about it to know the insanity of which I speak.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

How about....

Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil.

Disney is no more human than Santa Claus is human.

Discuss....

Correct, but too general. *g*

Santa is a fictional cultural entity perpetuated by society.

Disney is a real commercial entity run by a select group of people.

Neither is essentially evil and in both cases it entirely depends on how the people behind the entity use it for their personal interests.

Good point.

How's this?

Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil.

Disney is no more human than Santa Claus is human.

Walt Disney's legacy has been no less exploited by those who do anything to make their bottom line look good this quarter without thinking about 5 quarters from now when they have 20 million dollar parachutes than Santa Claus has been......

Discuss

Someone could argue nuances, but I'm sure on the face there is little to refute this particular statement. I think.

As for the ethical/moral/cultural/gender-related values currently emphasized through both.. that's one vaaaast subject. I'm not sure I'm up for more than tiny nitpicks.

RIVERLOVE

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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I don't believe in the concept of evil, ultimately. 'Hateful, cowardly and misguided' makes a lot more sense than such an absolute, exclusive concept.
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I'm sure the families of the 911 attack victims, the Holocaust survivors from WWII, the parents of raped & murdered children, and the folks this week in India would agree wholeheartedly that there is no evil, just some mis-guided folks. You betcha!
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Now you can do better than that.... Nobody wants to hear about some planes that were remotely flown into buildings or history books re-written about WWII...

Let's see some real world examples of evil.

Throw Greed and Lust into the cowardly and misguided and you hardly have to walk two steps in any direction in New York or Chicago to find a face-full of it.

Sure, I believe evil exists. Just not in the rigid textbook definitions of the status-quo. There is far too much intended sympathy going along with either of those stories.

As for the Indians, I can't say one way or another what those who were murdered thought beforehand. People are scared, but people have to live too. I would hate living in a world where everyone was afraid of everyone and everything all the time. They were just chillin' at the hotel.... granted the Rich Person hotel...

As for those attacking and their reasons, well I just refuse that a bunch of cold hearted murdering maniacs with no regard for human life did something like that. We'll never in a million years know why they committed those acts upon those which we can hardly speculate as to why somebody would do that from blinding darkness in the depths of the well of truth.

Sure, because if you could only just understand their reason(s), then it wouldn't be evil. Might be a good subject for a CBS mini-series starring Alexander Siddig, but certainly not pure evil. Too bad Dr. Phil can't be everywhere.

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