Disney = Evil?
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UPDATED: Thursday, March 27, 2025 16:25
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Sure, because if you could only just understand their reason(s), then it wouldn't be evil. Might be a good subject for a CBS mini-series starring Alexander Siddig, but certainly not pure evil. Too bad Dr. Phil can't be everywhere.
I wish I could live in your black and white world of what is good and evil. Just being born onto the winning side doesn't make you right... and it doesn't always mean you'll be the winner forever. Just ask black people.
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How about....
Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil.
Disney is no more human than Santa Claus is human.
Discuss....
Correct, but too general. *g*
Santa is a fictional cultural entity perpetuated by society.
Disney is a real commercial entity run by a select group of people.
Neither is essentially evil and in both cases it entirely depends on how the people behind the entity use it for their personal interests.
Good point.
How's this?
Disney is no more evil than Santa Claus is evil.
Disney is no more human than Santa Claus is human.
Walt Disney's legacy has been no less exploited by those who do anything to make their bottom line look good this quarter without thinking about 5 quarters from now when they have 20 million dollar parachutes than Santa Claus has been......
Discuss
Someone could argue nuances, but I'm sure on the face there is little to refute this particular statement. I think.
As for the ethical/moral/cultural/gender-related values currently emphasized through both.. that's one vaaaast subject. I'm not sure I'm up for more than tiny nitpicks.
I agree wholehartedly with that AR.
Santa never forced young women to act like innoceint little kids while wearing half the makeup that a Playboy bunny wears, showing off her belly button and wearing other revealing clothing, all while pretending that they're innocient until they're 18 and married. God knows the side effects that could have on a young woman, living two completely different lives like that and always worrying that you'll be caught.....
Disney never could be accused of being responsible for under-work-age kids doing 4 hours overtime for an extra quarter-per-day working on those Kohl's sweatshirts that are always on sale and that your kid will throw in the corner in disappointment when he/she opens the gift Christmas morning....
Don't be shy of the details AR...... The Devil is IN the details....
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Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
The world is a very dangerous place. Evil is everywhere, but no more prevalent than your local Mormon church. Watch out, evil bake sale benefitting African AIDS orphans, and Gay hate speech this weekend.
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One of these I do consider hateful and misguided, one of these I do not.
That's really fascinating. Which one is which?
What do you THINK?
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I don't believe in the concept of evil, ultimately. 'Hateful, cowardly and misguided' makes a lot more sense than such an absolute, exclusive concept.
I'm sure the families of the 911 attack victims, the Holocaust survivors from WWII, the parents of raped & murdered children, the families of the Manson Family murder spree, and the folks this week in India would agree wholeheartedly that there is no evil in the world, just some poor mis-guided folks. You betcha!
No, it is exactly with these sort of things in mind that I use the words hateful, misguided and cowardly. ("Poor" was never mentioned.) Human beings do these things and when we pretend that they are some kind of "other" by calling them such an absolute term as "evil", we fail at what would benefit us most: understanding what makes it happen in order to prevent it from happening again. It's not some abstract absolute, it's merely the darkest of human capability.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I wish I could live in your black and white world of what is good and evil. Just being born onto the winning side doesn't make you right... and it doesn't always mean you'll be the winner forever. Just ask black people.
Ask them what? BTW Mahatma, you ever step in dog shit? Do you pontificate and explore the finer points of that situation too?
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Don't be shy of the details AR...... The Devil is IN the details....
Isn't THAT ever a fact... Why can't there be kittens in the details?
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Evil is just a matter of POV. Yeah, most of us (myself included)would consider what Hitler did, or what Jihadists do as evil - but they didn't, and they were not alone in their perception. They thought they were doing what was right, or at the least nessesary.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Evil is just a matter of POV. Yeah, most of us (myself included)would consider what Hitler did, or what Jihadists do as evil - but they didn't, and they were not alone in their perception. They thought they were doing what was right, or at the least nessesary.
Well, yes. Questions like these are rarely about finding a clean "Yes" or "No" consensus, but to check the criteria for "evil" and compare them to the generally assumed POV of value judgments.
Disney is Disney. What we think about Disney defines us more than it. It defines our subgroup of moral/ethical perspective.
Current result: we are not a homogenous subgroup.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I can't think of a single example right now.
It's sad that I had to think about it for like a week, but what about the Aristocats? The mother was there and the father was missing, though of course a father figure came along in that one.
It's a bit weak, I know, but it is a single example...
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I can't think of a single example right now.
It's sad that I had to think about it for like a week, but what about the Aristocats? The mother was there and the father was missing, though of course a father figure came along in that one.
It's a bit weak, I know, but it is a single example...
I find it incredibly sweet that you went to the effort of finding an example.
And it's true, a mother of three who not only doesn't die but also has a life (of luxury and romance) of her own!Why can't Disney do more of that, I wonder...
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Looks like sour grapes to me, since the Disney myths are cutting into the Catholic church myth's revenue streams - both of dollars and believers.
Lol
Geezer, good point. Too true. I think I'm abandoning reading the rest of this thread, sorry guys, lack of time, and it's long.
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