Let's hear it for all the peeps that want to see America destroyed!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, November 29, 2008 18:07
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"Maybe I'm not as smart as you, but atleast I'm not a lying snob like Barry. I look forward to his fall, and then I will dance
But I can't wait for them to fuck up.
When Barry drops the ball, I'll be rite here, to drink your tears...yum I can taste them now"
-Courtesy of the poster boy for The Fans of the American Downfall, our very own WhoZIT.
As much as I criticized the current administration, I never WANTED for them to do something that would hurt this nation just so I could do a told-you-so, I think the attitude that eagerly desires Obama to fail miserably is patently un-American at best, and near traitorous at worst. I have been told that I hate my country because I've disagreed with war & torture policies...so what is it when you actively want to see your country crash & burn, huh? Patriotism?
I call for peeps who said they want to see our country fail to apologize, but more importantly, I want Whozit to take that stupid bagel comment off his sig!!!
The 
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Democrats had that title for the past 8 yrs, and now they think one election will change that ? Sorry, but you got what you wanted, now reap what you sow.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Both you and Whozit just can't imagine anybody other than you: angry, righteous, vindictive, and gullible. I understand that you're pissed off and you're looking forward to the day when you can say "I told you so", but it ain't gonna happen because IMHO nobody can possibly f*ck up any worse than Bush has already done.
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Another thread filled with ad hominem(y) goodness brought to you by Mr. Isall.
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Quote:Thank you, but it's nothing. Call it a public service.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Another thread filled with ad hominem(y) goodness brought to you by Mr. Isall.
Or comeuppance...
I'm not above issuing a bloody nose to them that tried to serve me up the same...I'm not a very good Christian, I guess.
The retaliatory Chrisisall
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Quote:Wow, I was gonna respond, but there has to be something graspable to respond TO...I fear you've made no sense once again, AU
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Democrats had that title for the past 8 yrs, and now they think one election will change that ? Sorry, but you got what you wanted, now reap what you sow.
Oh, and you have no case.
I win.
Again.
Lick your wounds now.
The silly Chrisisall
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Oh, and BDN too.
Of all of the liberals, libertarians, progressives and moderates on this board I can think of a lot who dreaded Bush f*cking up and who were pissed off about it, but NONE who said "Yeah! We want the crazy bastard to do more!" So guys and gals, are you really looking forward to seeing Obama f*ck up for the sheer pleasure of being able to say "I told you so"? Don't you think that's being anti-American?
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I hereby declare ChrisIsAll "Ad HominemistInChief"!
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I did not vote for Obama (Ron Paul's my man!) but I fervently hope he is able to repair a lot of the damage that has been done the past eight years. I predict he is going to be a lot more conservative than his campaign would lead you to expect. For anyone to hope for the opposite is downright sickening.
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Quote:You and many of your liberal friends displayed this attitude on regular bases in this thread. That’s why I hated the whole hate bush mentality; it was a fundamental desire to see America fail – to see the economy fail – to see the US military ventures fail. I find it rather hypocritical that now you try to turn the tables.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
As much as I criticized the current administration, I never WANTED for them to do something that would hurt this nation just so I could do a told-you-so, I think the attitude that eagerly desires Obama to fail miserably is patently un-American at best, and near traitorous at worst. I have been told that I hate my country because I've disagreed with war & torture policies...so what is it when you actively want to see your country crash & burn, huh? Patriotism?
I call for peeps who said they want to see our country fail to apologize, but more importantly, I want Whozit to take that stupid bagel comment off his sig!!!
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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hateing Bush was not a desire to see America fail - hating Bush came from his driving America over the cliff.
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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Quote:A guy with no experiance, bringing back most of the Clinton crooks can't
Originally posted by SignyM:
Both you and Whozit just can't imagine anybody other than you: angry, righteous, vindictive, and gullible. I understand that you're pissed off and you're looking forward to the day when you can say "I told you so", but it ain't gonna happen because IMHO nobody can possibly f*ck up any worse than Bush has already done.
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up worse? Famous last words!I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin
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Harry Reid ( Demcorat ) " This war is lost, and the surge is not accomplishing anything "
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Criticizing Bush for what he actually did is a far cry from Whozit's hope that Obama will fail.
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During the Bush administration I would have loved to see Bush, Rove, and Cheney destroyed, but not America. By destroy Bush I mean jail.
Jilted Republicans right now are psychotic and childish. Very much the "If I can't have you nobody can" destruction mentality. They are all in withdrawl. The symptoms they show are because they no longer have access to the Presidential teet in thier own minds.
Hopefully the destruction mentality won't agitate too many James Earl Ray Republicans, or a desire for the economy to get worse. They have a need to rationalize the idea that Bush wasn't the worst decision of thier lives.
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Quote:Absolutely 100% NOT.
You and many of your liberal friends displayed this attitude on regular bases in this thread. That’s why I hated the whole hate bush mentality; it was a fundamental desire to see America fail – to see the economy fail – to see the US military ventures fail. I find it rather hypocritical that now you try to turn the tables.
I saw Bush taking us over a cliff economically, Constitutionally, and militarily. I wasn't looking forward to it, I was frantic about it. I hated Bush BECAUSE I thought he was failing America... and because under him, I thought America WOULD fail. And indeed, it has. Putin's prediction about Iraq ("Iraq will be your Afghanistan") sadly came true.
Now, you and I have very different notions of "fail". To you, to failing is "losing a war". Your notion of patriotism is IMHO anathema to the Constitution. Your vision of America is very different from mine and, I think, gravely shortsighed. But I have never said- and neither has anyone lese here- that WE thought you wanted America to "fail". We may have disagreed with your goals but we've never impugned your motives.
But you, Whozit, Rapo, BDN and a boatload of other right-wingers seem to have absolutely NO PROBLEM assigning anyone who disagrees with you with the basest of motives. In your mind, we can all hardly wait until America is tottering on its last legs. It never crosses your pathetic, feeble minds that maybe we have a different vision than you, but that we ALSO want what's good for America. You really think that you, and you alone, love your country, and that you and you alone know what's best.
Yanno what?
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Quote:That’s so much Bullshit, it’s pathetic. Maybe they hate Obama because they see him as driving America over the cliff? Oh and by the way, the hate Bush crowd started before he was even in office, so nice try.
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
hateing Bush was not a desire to see America fail - hating Bush came from his driving America over the cliff.
All of the sudden all the hate Bush crowd who spent years accusing anyone who didn’t outright despise Bush of being a “jackboot” are now masturbating to this new administration. God these people are sick.
As far as the hate Obama crowd - I'm as surprised as you are that a man with socialist leanings and direct connections to domestic terrorist and racial supremacists would get elected in this country, but for whatever reason he was elected and elected fairly as our president. I personally support him as our president and I hope you will too. Whatever you do, do not become like the twits that are now desperately trying to regain some shred of credibility.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:It's one thing to say I hate Obama because he's bad for the country.
Maybe they hate Obama because they see him as driving America over the cliff?
It's quite another thing to say I hope he fails the country and even worse to say You and many of your liberal friends displayed this attitude {hoping Bush would fail} on regular bases in this thread and are now masturbating to this new administration.
Who the f*ck do you think we are??? Every progressive that I know is looking at Obama with a great deal of skepticism. Every progessive that I know was frightened of what Bush was doing this this country. NOBODY was cheering him on hoping he'd ruin the Republican Party and the nation! You have got to be effing sh*ttin' me if that's what you really think!
More importantly, who the f*ck do you think YOU are, to be telling us what we're doing and how we're feeling? You obviously have not a friggin' clue, and you're just arguing to the voices in your head.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Oh and by the way, the hate Bush crowd started before he was even in office, so nice try.[/B
Well, I'm from Texas, so already had reason to criticize him. Hate is a very strong word, and I rarely use it to describe my feelings toward another person. I never used it against Bush, but I certainly hated some of his actions.
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Quote:You’re one of the worst twists. So take your attitude and stick it up nose. I'm sick of listening to you and all you little hate Bush buddies. So who do you think you are? Twit.
Originally posted by SignyM:
More importantly, who the f*ck do you think YOU are, to be telling us what we're doing and how we're feeling? You obviously have not a friggin' clue, and you're just arguing to the voices in your head..
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I'M A PERSON WHO LOVES MY COUNTRY. And you're a brainwashed moron who doesn't even know what he stands for because you can't even answer three questions in succession about your own beliefs. (They're so confusing to you!!)
So who do you think you are?
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Quote:Note the present tense. This is a statement about how Reid saw things, not how he wanted and hoped for them to be. He wasn't popping open the bubbly to drink down with Bush's tears on the occasion.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Harry Reid ( Demcorat ) " This war is lost, and the surge is not accomplishing anything "
Please AUrapter, show proof of any liberal wishing for America's downfall as blatantly as whozit has. I don't recall anyone here ever saying: "I really hope we fail in Iraq and our economy crashes just so I can point the finger at Bush and drink the tears of his supporters!" The only people who might have muttered those words are the likes of Bill Orally, falsely representing Bush critics.
As for ad hominem:
ad ho⋅mi⋅nem
1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
Whozit's desire to drink tears looks to be a product of emotion and prejudice, with no logical argument at all. It's all about whozit's need for personal triumph. Chrisisall's statement is a logical argument: failure of Obama means failure of the country, and wishing for such a thing is truly unpatriotic. Criticize the Obama things you don't like, sure! But wishing for his complete and utter failure is ridiculous.
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All of us who 'hated Bush' were saying - Look what he's doing to the Constitution ! Look what he's' doing to our freedom ! Look what he's doing to the economy ! Look what he's doing to the US's standing in the world ! Look what he's doing to our security ! Look what he's doing to the middle class !
And you know what ? WE WERE RIGHT.
None of us were saying - by god I hope he does more and puts us deeper in the crapper than we already are.
As for you right-whingers (you too Finn), you are worse than pathetic. Bush was an abysmal failure and all you can think of is that you want Obama to fail too. No matter what it means for the country.
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Quote:Muaahahahahahha Ahahahahahahaha!!
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:I'M A PERSON WHO LOVES MY COUNTRY.
So who do you think you are?
Oh wait...
Muahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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Quote:The problem with that is Harry Reid and others like him, including Obama, were claiming that the war was lost and surge had failed long after the surge had become a phenomenal success. What Reid and others like him, such as many of the twits on this board, were trying to do was turn a success for America into a failure, because they hated Bush.
Originally posted by swish:Quote:Note the present tense. This is a statement about how Reid saw things, not how he wanted and hoped for them to be. He wasn't popping open the bubbly to drink down with Bush's tears on the occasion.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Harry Reid ( Demcorat ) " This war is lost, and the surge is not accomplishing anything "
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:You see Finn, I would never say that about you. I may think you're stupid beyond belief, closed-minded and incapable of independent thought, but I assume that you also love OUR country. I understand that peeps may have different goals and views of the world, but usually act from honorable motives.
So who do you think you are?- Finn
I'M A PERSON WHO LOVES MY COUNTRY.-Signy
Muaahahahahahha Ahahahahahahaha!! Oh wait... Muahahahahahahahahahaha!!- Finn
And that's the difference between peeps like you and peeps like me.
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Quote:And the problem with that is how you don't seem to understand that people have different definitions of *failure*. The goals set down at the onset of the surge were not being met, and Bush was, as usual, shifting those goalposts, redefining success to make himself look good. Reid disagreed with that, as did many others. Didn't mean he hoped for it - it's just how he saw the situation.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The problem with that is Harry Reid and others like him, including Obama, were claiming that the war was lost and surge had failed long after the surge had become a phenomenal success. What Reid and others like him, such as many of the twits on this board, were trying to do was turn a success for America into a failure, because they hated Bush.
But that certainly is debatable, since I can see that you define success differently, and in the end you want the same thing I do: America doing well.
What is NOT debatable is your suggestion that Reid hoped for failure in Iraq. What you quoted is in no way comparable to what whozit (and others) are doing here. The comparable thing would have been if Reid had said, in 2003 when the war was just starting, that he really really hoped Bush would flub it up just so the Democrats could throw a helluva party.
"Break out the Jack and savor the tears of mothers losing their children by the tankload, because as long as Bush fails it's all good for me!" Wouldn't you be pissed as hell if anyone had said that? And yet it doesn't bother you when whozit says pretty much the same thing?
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Quote:You twit. You’ve gone into great manipulative detail to accuse me of not being patriotic. God you’re making me sick. Stop with the manipulation already. If you are ever going to regain your lost credibility in this board, it won't be with manipulation. You’re going to have to at least start trying to be fair, which quick frankly I don’t think you can do.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:You see Finn, I would never say that about you. I may think you're stupid beyond belief, closed-minded and incapable of independent thought, but I assume that you also love OUR country. I understand that peeps may have different goals and views of the world, but usually act from honorable motives.
So who do you think you are?- Finn
I'M A PERSON WHO LOVES MY COUNTRY.-Signy
Muaahahahahahha Ahahahahahahaha!! Oh wait... Muahahahahahahahahahaha!!- Finn
And that's the difference between peeps like you and peeps like me.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Which is just another way to saying he hoped for failure.
Originally posted by swish:Quote:And the problem with that is how you don't seem to understand that people have different definitions of *failure*.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The problem with that is Harry Reid and others like him, including Obama, were claiming that the war was lost and surge had failed long after the surge had become a phenomenal success. What Reid and others like him, such as many of the twits on this board, were trying to do was turn a success for America into a failure, because they hated Bush.
And the desperation continues.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Not much reading comprehension there, huh Finn?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Which is just another way to saying he hoped for failure.
No matter how bad things are, and how much they go down the toilet, as long as it's Bush's policy you insist it's a success, right? Unlike those who want actual success, as in the end of war, the honoring of the Constitution, personal freedoms upheld, and a healthy economy. See - real success. Not the selfish immature delusion that the likes of you and whozit cling to.
ETA: desperation? Go read these umpteen threads whozit has started, and there you'll see desperation...
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Quote:No.
You’ve gone into great manipulative detail to accuse me of not being patriotic.
MY view of patriotism doesn't square with yours. We disagree strenously on where we think the country came from and where it should be going. But that doesn't mean you wish our country ill. I don't think you're "unpatriotic".
Yanno it's possible to disagree about basic definitions, goals, and means without impuging the person's motivations. It is. It really is.
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Quote:What a coincidence. After years of telling you that, you suddenly get it … now that a Left-wing president is elected. Isn’t that convenient for you. Twit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by SignyM:
Yanno it's possible to disagree about basic definitions, goals, and means without impuging the person's motivations. It is. It really is.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Hello,
I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding amongst some people about what America is.
Some people see America as all of those people at the top, those people in charge.
I think America is all of us, here at the bottom.
Some people think that if you abhor the people at the top, you are therefore hating America.
I think that if you abhor the rights and needs of the people on the bottom, you hate America.
And then there's other people, still.
These people believe America is US, and they despise THEM, and when THEM is in charge, they hope to see everything fall apart. That way US can return to power.
It's their wish to see THEM fail, and US succeed, and it escapes their notice that THEM and US together are what forms U.S.
We all boom or bust as one.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:I think Cheney is a born sociopath. I question HIS motives, not yours.
What a coincidence. After years of telling you that, you suddenly get it … now that a Left-wing president is elected. Isn’t that convenient for you.
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Again I quote Nate Silver, because it just fits Finn so well:
"[This is] in a nutshell, why conservatives don't win elections anymore. It is not that conservatism generally permits less nuance than liberalism (in terms of political messaging, that is probably one of conservatism's strengths).... There are a certain segment of conservatives who literally cannot believe that anybody would see the world differently than the way they do."
No wonder these types of right-wingers are so often fearful and paranoid. Anyone not exactly like them is the Enemy. Poor Finn. What a scary world he must live in.
Seriously!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You and many of your liberal friends displayed this attitude on regular bases in this thread. That’s why I hated the whole hate bush mentality; it was a fundamental desire to see America fail – to see the economy fail – to see the US military ventures fail. I find it rather hypocritical that now you try to turn the tables.
Hypocritical, yes, but funny - and well-deserved. Why do you hate America, Finn?
"That’s so much Bullshit, it’s pathetic. Maybe they hated Bush because they saw him as driving America over the cliff? Oh and by the way, the hate Obama crowd started before he was even in office, so nice try."
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:Oh, and seeing the Administration in jail wouldn't desteroy this country? ( Especially when neither has done anything illegal. )
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
During the Bush administration I would have loved to see Bush, Rove, and Cheney destroyed, but not America. By destroy Bush I mean jail.
Quote:Funny, you admit in one breath how you wanted Bush to fail, and then act all indignant if anyone DARE to even have the slightest desire to see THE ONE fail.
Jilted Republicans right now are psychotic and childish. Very much the "If I can't have you nobody can" destruction mentality. They are all in withdrawl. The symptoms they show are because they no longer have access to the Presidential teet in thier own minds.
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Hopefully the destruction mentality won't agitate too many James Earl Ray Republicans, or a desire for the economy to get worse. They have a need to rationalize the idea that Bush wasn't the worst decision of thier lives.
But of course, you wanted Bush to go to jail for not breaking any laws, but when it comes to Republicans, we're all wanting to assassinate our President, not just throw him in jail.
Amazing
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" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Did I miss the memo? When did Signy lose credibility?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you are ever going to regain your lost credibility in this board, it won't be with manipulation.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I think Cheney is a born sociopath. I question HIS motives, not yours.
No, a sociopath was what Bill Clinton was, not Cheney. But, by all means, what evidence you do have , please feel free to share.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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M'kay, but I'll have to get back with you later. rael life calls.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
M'kay, but I'll have to get back with you later. rael life calls.
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Take your time. This is worth waiting for.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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All of the sudden all the hate Bush crowd who spent years accusing anyone who didn’t outright despise Bush of being a “jackboot” are now masturbating to this new administration. God these people are sick.
And all those who've spent the last 8 years masturbating to the Bush administration now accuse anyone who doesn't outright despise Obama of being "jackboots" and socialists. You people are sick.
Finn, nice to see you've finally crawled out of you hole. I figured you were sheltered up somewhere crying in your booze for the next 4 years or more.
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No, a sociopath was what Bill Clinton was, not Cheney. But, by all means, what evidence you do have , please feel free to share.
Hmmmm... Pretty sure Clinton never shot anyone in the face with a shotgun. Deal w/it.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
No, a sociopath was what Bill Clinton was, not Cheney. But, by all means, what evidence you do have , please feel free to share.
Hmmmm... Pretty sure Clinton never shot anyone in the face with a shotgun. Deal w/it.
How does that make Cheney a " sociopath " ?? It was a hunting accident, with bird shot. YOU deal w/ it.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And all those who've spent the last 8 years masturbating to the Bush administration now accuse anyone who doesn't outright despise Obama of being "jackboots" and socialists. You people are sick.
Finn, nice to see you've finally crawled out of you hole. I figured you were sheltered up somewhere crying in your booze for the next 4 years or more.
By definition, anyone in Gov't who wants to " spread the wealth " is a socialist. Governments aren't the source of any real wealth, they simply take from the citizens. When there's talk of spreading the wealth, it's the taking from the rich to give to those who'd likely vote for the party in power.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:0 for 1
Originally posted by AURaptor: Oh, and seeing the Administration in jail wouldn't desteroy this country? ( Especially when neither has done anything illegal. )
Quote:0 for 2
Originally posted by AURaptor:Funny, you admit in one breath how you wanted Bush to fail, and then act all indignant if anyone DARE to even have the slightest desire to see THE ONE fail.
Quote:.5 for 3!!!!
Originally posted by AURaptor:But of course, you wanted Bush to go to jail for not breaking any laws, but when it comes to Republicans, we're all wanting to assassinate our President, not just throw him in jail
I told you once AURaptor...try to get used to what correct and incorrect feel like inside your head. Your comprehension skills are...well...no offense, poor.
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Quote:It started with “Bush is a terrorist” and went down hill from there, but she no worse then the rest of the Bush haters. None of whom have any credibility in this board.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Did I miss the memo? When did Signy lose credibility?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Thanks for proving my point. The hypocrisy of this liberal masturbation.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And all those who've spent the last 8 years masturbating to the Bush administration now accuse anyone who doesn't outright despise Obama of being "jackboots" and socialists. You people are sick.
Quote:Show how little you know, I guess. Once again, thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Finn, nice to see you've finally crawled out of you hole. I figured you were sheltered up somewhere crying in your booze for the next 4 years or more.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Sorry Mal, but your delusions , of what those of us who didn't vote for Obama, don't determine our views toward him, even a little bit.
You posting " 0 for 1 " doesn't make it so, especially in light of how you fail to even TRY to elaborate and defend your position. If anyone struck out on 3 straight pitches, it's you.
You're a hypocrite for saying you want Bush in Jail, and then turn around and vilify anyone who isn't an Obamamaniac.
and your mischaracterization of why we don't like Obama can't be expressed in terms of how bad his policies are, but instead you have to cling to the " RACE " card, w/ the reference to " James Earl Ray Republicans ". Either we love and obey blindly the new Presidenrt, or we want to murder him. That's how you see the world, huh?
Sorry missy, but if Obama lives to be 112, I'd still want him to serve 1 term in office, not because he's black, but because I DISAGREE with his politics and know they're bad for this country , ESPECIALLYN NOW!
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:So there is no reason to be disturbed by what Bush has done? Everything turned out just fine?
It started with “Bush is a terrorist” and went down hill from there, but she no worse then the rest of the Bush haters. None of whom have any credibility in this board.
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The Left has been going totally apeshit over Bush ever since his name was announced as a Republican candidate back in 1999. No amount of criticism of Obama by the Right, whether sincere or politically biased, could ever even register on the deranged-hate syndrome scale that Liberals created and perfected with Bush. But that's their big problem now. Little left to hate, and little to love about Obama's picks for his Administration. Who knew that Obama's famous "HOPE", and "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN" was just campaign jargon for bringing back the Clinton Follies to America. Thanks Barack. I'm sure Hill & Bill will continue to provide endless fun and fodder for the media vampires to sink their pathetically useless teeth into every night.
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Quote:Y'know, I was gonna say I missed you bein' around on the other sci-fi movie thread, but you started it off with political shit, so I held off.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
but she no worse then the rest of the Bush haters. None of whom have any credibility in this board.
And now this.
You are doing EXACTLY what I don't like NeoCons for doing- forcefully positing the idea that your perception is so correct, so free of flaws, and so much the gospel (in the face of facts that contradict it, yet) that you can somehow not feel stupid making a statement like that. You severely disappoint me, Finn, you've degenerated into that which you profess to hate, a hater. And the very fact that you START a sci-fi movie thread with that shit is so telling of your anti-left obsession...I don't remember the last time one of my threads about movies started like; "The new Indy movie must be making Bushites happy 'cause Ford pronounced nuclear 'nuc-u-ler' in the debriefing scene!"
Also, having fun using various forms of the word 'masturbate' in EVERY thread?
If you've come back just to display your resentful God-complex as it applies to your political unhappiness even before Obama takes office, why don't you just continue your sabbatical until you're back closer to center, and in a better mood, eh? This maniacal right-wing shit sounds so childish, and not something I ever would have expected from you in times past.
If this is just temporary, cool. I can't say there weren't times I went off MY rocker with pure emotion & nothing else to back up my angry words...
The atypically serious Chrisisall
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Quote:Can you cite specific examples?
The Left has been going totally apeshit over Bush ever since his name was announced as a Republican candidate back in 1999.
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Quote:Speak for yourself, Fascism-boy.
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Little left to hate, and little to love about Obama's picks for his Administration.
I hate the legacy Obama has to contend with as of Jan. 20, I love that Obama is talking like we can make this country great again, we need optimism at this juncture.
Feel free to hate this country for the next four years though, it's not like I can stop ya.
Me? I love my country good Presidents or bad.
RL, you're such a biped...
The optimistic Chrisisall
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Quote:Signy, you do excel in demanding the impossible
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Can you cite specific examples?
The Left has been going totally apeshit over Bush ever since his name was announced as a Republican candidate back in 1999.
.The smirking Chrisisall
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Quote:Especiallyn?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I DISAGREE with his politics and know they're bad for this country , ESPECIALLYN NOW!
Dope: [noun] AURaptor; an ignorant or foolish person
Synonyms: dumbbell, dummy, boob, booby, pinhead
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Why, thank you FMF...I am truly honoured!
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I hereby declare ChrisIsAll "Ad HominemistInChief"!
As Ad HominemistInChief, I will endeavour to apply accurate, if somewhat comical, attacks on personal considerations rather than to logic or reason in the quantity to which I have become famous for, and swear that no grandiose bellicosity shall long escape my attention!
The accepting Chrisisall
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Quote:So you want me to leave because you don’t agree with me? The appropriate response to that would be “Fuck you,” that’s beneath me.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If you've come back just to display your resentful God-complex as it applies to your political unhappiness even before Obama takes office, why don't you just continue your sabbatical until you're back closer to center, and in a better mood, eh? This maniacal right-wing shit sounds so childish, and not something I ever would have expected from you in times past.
If this is just temporary, cool. I can't say there weren't times I went off MY rocker with pure emotion & nothing else to back up my angry words...
You conveniently ignore the fact that I’ve already stated that I support Obama as our president. I’ll disagree with him, just as I disagreed with Bush sometimes. But I won’t accuse him of being a sociopath or a terrorist because I disagree with his policies. I won’t call him stupid and idiotic, and wish for a US failure to justify that disagreement, which is more then I can say for you and all your twit friends. So attack me all you want, but you made your own bed, and if you’re not man enough to see that, then that’s your own lack of intellectual honesty.
And you know, after bearing for 8 years the fanatical hatred of Left-wing Bush hating twits, I think I’ve earned the right to tell you off. And the truth is that it won’t be long before I’ll be trying to reason with and criticize the statements of Obama-haters, and when that happens I don’t want you to mistake that with me coming over to your bush-hating twit side. You lost your chance, but maybe I can reason with the Obama-haters. Maybe in four years when the next president comes in I won’t have to tell them off, and that will be the ultimate victory over the Bush hating twits.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Well...fair enough...then who do you download them from? They're all exactly the same so they must come from Karl, Rush, Hannity?
Originally posted by AURaptor: Sorry Mal, but your delusions , of what those of us who didn't vote for Obama, don't determine our views toward him, even a little bit.
Quote:I struck out? shit!!
Originally posted by AURaptor:You posting " 0 for 1 " doesn't make it so, especially in light of how you fail to even TRY to elaborate and defend your position. If anyone struck out on 3 straight pitches, it's you.
Quote:No. I demonize non Obamaniacs for either counsciously or subconciously wishing failure on America. I joke about wanting Bush in jail for lying and stoopidity. I'm sure they could have always found somebody better as replacement, like Tim Pawlenty, or Bobby Jindhal, or...just about anybody.
Originally posted by AURaptor: You're a hypocrite for saying you want Bush in Jail, and then turn around and vilify anyone who isn't an Obamamaniac.
Quote:I'm able to diagnose the problem with our communication. It may in fact NOT be because you don't recognize the difference between correct and incorrect....YOU don't know when I'm joking! This is just like that thread the other day where we figured out that anti Obama people don't have senses of humor. At least not about politics.
Originally posted by AURaptor:and your mischaracterization of why we don't like Obama can't be expressed in terms of how bad his policies are, but instead you have to cling to the " RACE " card, w/ the reference to " James Earl Ray Republicans ". Either we love and obey blindly the new Presidenrt, or we want to murder him. That's how you see the world, huh?
Quote:Rush tells you guys that but it's like this. You hate Obama because he's black. You hate abortions because you hate sexualy active women. You hate gay marriage because you hate homosexuals. You hate taxes because you hate poor people. You love wars because you hate non Christians. You love conquering and dominating other countries.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Sorry missy, but if Obama lives to be 112, I'd still want him to serve 1 term in office, not because he's black, but because I DISAGREE with his politics and know they're bad for this country , ESPECIALLYN NOW!
You and people like you couldn't care less about Obama's policies. You have your Atwater and Rove to thank for your opinion, they gave it to you.
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Quote:No, I want you to take more of a break, if you need it, so that we can have your best self posting here.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So you want me to leave because you don’t agree with me?
Quote:That has nothing to do with calling bs on your erroneous & obviously emotion-filled charges that Signy, myself and others WANT to see America fail under Bush...sure we had our shots at told-you-sos, but NEVER did we state that 'when Bush sinks our country, boy will we be happy to tell you so'.
You conveniently ignore the fact that I’ve already stated that I support Obama as our president.
Quote:I would hope you would accuse him of being a sociopath or a terrorist if he started BEING one, though
I won’t accuse him of being a sociopath or a terrorist because I disagree with his policies.
Quote:True, Bush did have the corner on those traits, at least until Sarah Palin came along *smirks*
I won’t call him stupid and idiotic
Quote:wish for...??whoops Finn, welcome to Fantasy Island.
and wish for a US failure to justify that disagreement, which is more then I can say for you and all your twit friends.
Quote:I see when I make my own bed...but...that's not what you mean, obviously...
So attack me all you want, but you made your own bed, and if you’re not man enough to see that, then that’s your own lack of intellectual honesty.
I do sometimes possess a lack of intellectual honesty, that's public record, but I er, honestly don't see that here. I'm open to the possibility though, but I'll need examples, if you feel like it.
Bottom line, saying there will be bad consequences to an action or policy is WAAAAY different than making a non-specific blanket statement that "He's gonna f**k up, and I can't wait to tell ya I was right!!!"
The specific Chrisisall
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Quote:Which is what you and the Bush hating twit team have doing since before Bush took office.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Bottom line, saying there will be bad consequences to an action or policy is WAAAAY different than making a non-specific blanket statement that "He's gonna f**k up, and I can't wait to tell ya I was right!!!"
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:It may be simplistic Psych 101, but Occam's Razor would say it's also pretty spot on, I would guess.
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
You hate Obama because he's black. You hate abortions because you hate sexualy active women. You hate gay marriage because you hate homosexuals. You hate taxes because you hate poor people. You love wars because you hate non Christians.
The simple Chrisisall
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Quote:If you could show me a quote that would go a long way towards humbling me on this matter....
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Which is what you and the Bush hating twit team have doing since before Bush took office.
The memory-challenged Chrisisall
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Like I said, now the mask comes off, and you folk are seeing the TRUE face of these people, that party, and what they're made of.
Something I occasionally provoked them to do even when they were all so interested in trying to hide it.
This is what they ARE, people, what they've always BEEN, and it is indeed why I am so blatantly nasty to them.
Never fucking forget it - the next time you see some right-winger playing nice, trying to worm into the good graces of the american people while stealthily reaching for the levers of power, remember what's under that mask.
Unless by some miracle they come up with another Eisenhower, the hard-right end of the political spectrum is completely doomed, and frankly, I've known it since I started making "blood in the water" comments long before the election, now you folk are just seeing the last panicked flailing as they reveal the truth of themselves.
This is Shaun Yu, holding them over the volcano, and now we get to see what they're REALLY made of.
And it ain't pretty, is it ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Frem,
Yeah, but the ulta-Libs aint any better.
Both suck.
And you know it.
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Quote:It is somewhat unsettling. But in panic, we tend to run to what we know. For me it's mistrust of authority & use of kung-fu....for others it's apparently defend status quo & attack socialism...
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
This is Shaun Yu, holding them over the volcano, and now we get to see what they're REALLY made of.
And it ain't pretty, is it ?
The understanding Chrisisall
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Quote:Extremes either way suck for sure, it's just what passes for left in this country has been so skewed...Obama is a moderate CENTERIST by world standards, but the media & rightwingnuts of this fine land have seriously un-leveled the playing field.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Frem,
Yeah, but the ulta-Libs aint any better.
Both suck.
And you know it.
I adjust for the parallax.
The place-in-the-middle Chrisisall
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Quote:No it won’t. I’ve done it before. All you do is agree temporarily, but then you go back to the twitism as soon as you can. Bush is leaving office. You had your chance to demonstrate some degree of intellectual fairness, and you chose, like most Bush haters, fanaticism instead. I’m done. I’m finished with Bush haters, I couldn’t get through to you, so I’m simply resigning the Bush haters to twitery and moving on.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If you could show me a quote that would go a long way towards humbling me on this matter....
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:It's my default setting (edit: a left-lean), I admit that, can you admit the same from the other direction (a right-lean)?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
No it won’t. I’ve done it before. All you do is agree temporarily, but then you go back to the twitism as soon as you can.
Quote:So, no comment on why YOU felt it necessary to drag politics into an SF film thread, eh? Intellectual honesty my ass, Finn. You are just as human as the rest of us, and totally unwilling to admit it. And it's reassuring to know that you CAN'T come up with a quote from ME concerning glee & broad predictions of a failing United States. I've regularly stated that I'd hoped I was wrong, and in one case I was SOOO happy to be so (My prediction of martial law before Bush was out), nowhere did I spout seeming happiness at something Bush and/or Cheney screwed up for our country.
Bush is leaving office. You had your chance to demonstrate some degree of intellectual fairness, and you chose, like most Bush haters, fanaticism instead.
Finn, you have no case
The AU-like Chrisisall
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Quote:I have 8 years of case. I’m just done. You’re too late.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, you have no case
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I know way too many Conservatives, and after a few shots or beers you hear it the real way. There are just varying degrees of denial when they're sober. What we've got with Pubbys here, is the holy-er-than-thou denial when they're arguing Politics.
Originally posted by chrisisall: It may be simplistic Psych 101, but Occam's Razor would say it's also pretty spot on, I would guess.
Trolls against McCain
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Quote:I usually want out of a game when I'm losing too.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I have 8 years of case. I’m just done. You’re too late.
I ask the hard stuff, makes ya question yourself, moves you out of your comfort zone, you can't navigate your way safely through, you bolt. I understand. I've had to swallow hard in times past and say someone else was right and I was wrong- it's incredibly difficult, only my Shaolin thang lets me come to a place where I can OCCASIONALLY admit that I've been a dumass on some issue or other...
Oh well, take it easy Finn.
The humble (yeah, right) Chrisisall
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By definition, anyone in Gov't who wants to " spread the wealth " is a socialist. Governments aren't the source of any real wealth, they simply take from the citizens. When there's talk of spreading the wealth, it's the taking from the rich to give to those who'd likely vote for the party in power.
So you agree that Bush and company are socialists, then. After all, they've taken money from the citizens to give to Wall Street - how is taking from the poor to give to the rich any LESS socialistic than doing it the other way 'round? Either way, you're "spreading the wealth". Thing is, for eight years and more, it's been being spread upwards, and you haven't had a bad word to say about it.
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Quote:Yeah, when the beer flows my Liberal friends get rather somber & introspective regarding politics- none of the "We really kicked their ass!" stuff, more like "How do we fix this mess?" stuff. Pubs seem to like the Football thing when drinking, lots of cuss words & liberal-bashing, I conjure. Progressive types want to move on from here, non-progressive types seem to want to get endless payback.
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
There are just varying degrees of denial when they're sober.
That's how I see it, anyway.
The possibly prejudiced Chrisisall
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Quote:I actually used to respect that about you, but then it occurred to me that you don’t. You just put on a show to slip out the back door, and in the end it never sinks through. You admit you’re wrong, but as soon as you think someone is not looking you’re back to the same crazy rhetoric. Instead of lying to me, I’d rather you just be honest with me, and just tell me that you’re going to be a nutcase whether anyone else likes it not. Would have saved me a lot time. You notice that I very rarely argue with Frem, because he’s honest about his fanaticism. He’ll tell you right up front that he’s a nutcase and he’s happy with it. He might not use those words, but that’s basically what it amounts to.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I usually want out of a game when I'm losing too.
I ask the hard stuff, makes ya question yourself, moves you out of your comfort zone, you can't navigate your way safely through, you bolt. I understand. I've had to swallow hard in times past and say someone else was right and I was wrong- it's incredibly difficult, only my Shaolin thang lets me come to a place where I can OCCASIONALLY admit that I've been a dumass on some issue or other...
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:That's because AU is one of the poor peeps that wants the dream of becoming rich kept alive- he's a good soldier in a capitalist war...should he ever be truly destitute I conjure his tune might change.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thing is, for eight years and more, it's been being spread upwards, and you haven't had a bad word to say about it.
The analyzing Chrisisall
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Finn, you claim you never claimed Obama was a terrorist - yet in this very thread, you've gone back to the old "pals around with terrorists" twittery. So in your view, can one "pal around" with a terrorist without actually becoming one?
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Quote:Go ahead & write me off then, but I'll tell ya, ONE of us is a LOT more intellectually dishonest with themselves than they THINK
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I actually used to respect that about you, but then it occurred to me that you don’t. You just put on a show to slip out the back door, and in the end it never sinks through. You admit you’re wrong, but as soon as you think someone is not looking you’re back to the same crazy rhetoric.
.Quote:Okay, I honestly think Frem is closer to being consistently objective about most current issues than you are, how's that?
Instead of lying to me, I’d rather you just be honest with me
Quote:I'll tell ya up front that I'm inconsistent; one minute I can be very sympathetic to right wing (Not NeoCon) ideology, and next minute I can turn around and trash it, yes, I'm fickle that way, but with it come flexibility- I'm not chained to an opinion, and yes, that has it's drawbacks as well as strengths.
He’ll tell you right up front that he’s a nutcase and he’s happy with it. He might not use those words, but that’s basically what it amounts to.
But like Superman, I never lie. Well, at least not knowingly. Plus, lying takes too much thinking, the truth is easier.
Finn, I fear you over-think things sometimes.
The Kryptonian Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:That's because AU is one of the poor peeps that wants the dream of becoming rich kept alive- he's a good soldier in a capitalist war...should he ever be truly destitute I conjure his tune might change.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thing is, for eight years and more, it's been being spread upwards, and you haven't had a bad word to say about it.
The analyzing Chrisisall
But it's still a form of socialism, if your entire definition of socialism is that it takes money from you and gives it to others based on their perceived "need".
What 'Rappy and his type don't get is that we already HAVE socialism in this country. OUR money goes for police, fire fighters, hospitals, the military, the national parks, public education, and more.
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Quote:Somehow, I don't think he's in the mood to explain stuff at the moment; he's already dodged a couple of my questions, and they weren't even hard ones.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Finn, you claim you never claimed Obama was a terrorist - yet in this very thread, you've gone back to the old "pals around with terrorists" twittery. So in your view, can one "pal around" with a terrorist without actually becoming one?
The resigned Chrisisall
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Quote:I didn’t use the phrase “pal around.” That’s your phrase, not mine. But yes, one can associate with a terrorist without being one. I would think that would be obvious.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Finn, you claim you never claimed Obama was a terrorist - yet in this very thread, you've gone back to the old "pals around with terrorists" twittery. So in your view, can one "pal around" with a terrorist without actually becoming one?
I’ve never accused Obama of being a terrorist, but that he has connections with at least one domestic terrorist is without question. So that’s all a part of the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the Bush haters that drives me nuts. Some of you accuse Bush of being a terrorist with no justification other then disagreement with US foreign policy, then you get defensive when someone suggests that we should be more skeptical of Obama who actually has real connectiond with a real terrorist. I don’t make that statement based on any agreement or disagreement with any policy of Obama’s or the US – it is simply a fact.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Reminds me of the reporter on the neocon cruise, which someone posted on a thread a while back. I forget who, but it was fascinating. Let me google it...
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
I know way too many Conservatives, and after a few shots or beers you hear it the real way. There are just varying degrees of denial when they're sober. What we've got with Pubbys here, is the holy-er-than-thou denial when they're arguing Politics.
http://www.alternet.org/story/57001/
Relevant highlight:
They rush through the Rush-list of liberals who hate America, who want her to fail, and I ask them - why are liberals like this? What's their motivation? They stutter to a halt and there is a long, puzzled silence. "It's a good question," one of them, Martha, says finally. I have asked them to peer into the minds of cartoons and they are suddenly, reluctantly confronted with the hollowness of their creation. "There have always been intellectuals who want to tell people how to live," Martha adds, to an almost visible sense of relief. That's it - the intellectuals! They are not like us. Dave changes the subject, to wash away this moment of cognitive dissonance. "The liberals don't believe in the constitution. They don't believe in what the founders wanted - a strong executive," he announces, to nods. A Filipino waiter offers him a top-up of his wine, and he mock-whispers to me, "They all look the same! Can you tell them apart?"
I would have thought that the idea of Conservatives hating America, wanting her to fail, was a similarly shallow myth. Until whozit did his thing. It's really quite sad.
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Quote:I don't call Bush a terrorist, just a war criminal.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Some of you accuse Bush of being a terrorist with no justification other then disagreement with US foreign policy, then you get defensive when someone suggests that we should be more skeptical of Obama who actually has real connectiond with a real terrorist. I don’t make that statement based on any agreement or disagreement with any policy of Obama’s or the US – it is simply a fact.
Semantics aside, the difference between Bush and Obama would be that Bush has a history of extremely questionable actions. You know, actions. Things he actually DID. Started an unnecessary war. Condoned torture. Spied on American citizens. Gave away no bid contracts to his pals. Oh, and destroyed our economy with his dumb-ass economic policies. He has done things which invite criticism, whether you accept the invitation or not.
Obama merely visited a house once years ago, on business completely unrelated to killing people, and the fact that you cling to this little bitty event only shows the depth of your desperation.
Really, it's pretty close to pathetic.
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Quote:Obama had connections with someone who broke the law & destroyed property; Bush IS a person who, through his directions, blew up people, justifiably or not. If you care to use sloppy phraseology to classify Ayres a terrorist, then you must reasonably also classify Bush the in same way. This is the duplicitous status-quo apologist establishment thinking that drives ME nuts, if ya wanna know.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
that’s all a part of the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the Bush haters that drives me nuts. Some of you accuse Bush of being a terrorist with no justification other then disagreement with US foreign policy, then you get defensive when someone suggests that we should be more skeptical of Obama who actually has real connectiond with a real terrorist.
*rant mode*
LUKE SKYWALKER IS A TERRORIST!!!
THERE WAS NEVER ANY LEGAL ACTION EVER TAKEN AGAINST THE EMPEROR, THAT PROVES HIS ACTIONS CONCERNING THE REBELLION WERE ALL ABOVE BOARD!
YODA WAS AN ENEMY COMBATANT, AND AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT!
VADER NEVER HAD HAN SOLO TORTURED, IT WAS SIMPLY MODIFIED TASER THERAPY!
The RANTING Chrisisall
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Quote:So now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh? Oh and by the way, Obama is the status quo, Mr. Apologistisall.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Obama had connections with someone who broke the law & destroyed property; Bush IS a person who, through his directions, blew up people, justifiably or not. If you care to use sloppy phraseology to classify Ayres a terrorist, then you must reasonably also classify Bush the in same way. This is the duplicitous status-quo apologist establishment thinking that drives ME nuts, if ya wanna know.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Yeah, it started with the euphemism "Collateral Damage" don't ya know.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh?
And Obama represents the existing condition or state of affairs? Please Finn, you'll bust a blood vessel trying so hard to be obtuse...
The purple & clairvoyant Chrisisall
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Quote:I see, so apologizing for the President is only defending the status quo if its Bush, because Lord, thy God, Obama is too righteous. And a man who bombs a city to impose political change is only a terrorist if he's not associated with Obama. That’s actually the single worst apology for the status quo I’ve ever heard. Even the narrowest minded Bush advocate couldn’t come up with something that blind in support of an administration.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Yeah, it started with the euphemism "Collateral Damage" don't ya know.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh?
And Obama represents the existing condition or state of affairs? Please Finn, you'll bust a blood vessel trying so hard to be obtuse...
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh?
Well, certainly YOU are whitewashing it. As Chris pointed out, Bush has actually given the order to bomb people, to kill them, to torture them - so he's not "palling around" with terrorists, he's actually using terroristic tactics. And you, like Nixon, seem to be just fine with it; if the president does it, it CAN'T be illegal.
Twit.
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Even the narrowest minded Bush advocate couldn’t come up with something that blind in support of an administration.
"Bush never lied."
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Quote:Collateral damage is not a terrorist tactic, nice try. Actually, it’s not a nice try, that was sarcasm. It’s actually pretty stupid. But of course, if you plan on defining that, then Obama is a terrorist too, since he’s the one responsible for the collateral damage now.
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
now we’re whitewashing terrorism, eh?
Well, certainly YOU are whitewashing it. As Chris pointed out, Bush has actually given the order to bomb people, to kill them, to torture them - so he's not "palling around" with terrorists, he's actually using terroristic tactics. And you, like Nixon, seem to be just fine with it; if the president does it, it CAN'T be illegal.
Ah, now it’s time for the hypocrisy – let’s hear all about how the rules you define apply only to Bush. All the rules change when your guy is in office, don't they? That's the twitism.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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...then Obama is a terrorist too, since he’s the one responsible for the collateral damage now.
Actually, he's not. Not for another two months, anyway. As much as you'd like Bush to be able to slink out of town, we're stuck with him 'til January 20th.
I did hear that the Secret Service caught a man trying to climb the fence at the White House. They captured him, though, and told him, "Come back inside, Mister President... you've still got two more months."
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Oh that was funny!
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
FORSAKEN original
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Frem,
Yeah, but the ulta-Libs aint any better.
Both suck.
And you know it.
Yeah, but the "ulta(sic)-Libs" have never been in power in this country--unless you count the founding fathers and their wild, freakish idea of government by mob rule. (Or as we call it today, participatory democracy.)
But for the last eight years (arguably the last twenty-eight)the right-wing has been in control. (Even the swing to the democrats two years ago barely slowed them down, as they used the power of filibuster to block any attempt to dampen their perceived "mandate".)
What's the result of that social experiment? A two-front war that has made our enemies stronger, (A result which, Goddamm it, could have been avoided if we hadn't split our forces to attack a country that had Jack Shit to do with 9/11!), an economy in smoking ruins, and a total abdication of the moral high-ground.
(That last is the worst part to me. Never mind that torture is morally wrong, it's inefficient! Intelligence obtained under duress is always undependable. If you're going to be evil, at least be effectively evil. I don't think Obama's the second coming, but maybe he'll get the stupid people out of intelligence.)
"Sometimes a direction is a destination. For some of us, that's enough." -- Scott McCloud
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Quote:No, a man who bombs a city to effect political change is a terrorist whether he does it with a jacket-bomb full of nails, a pipe bomb, or an A-4 Skyhawk. The only difference is choice of weapons.
... a man who bombs a city to impose political change is only a terrorist if he's not associated with Obama.
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Let's party like its 1929.
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Yeah, but the ulta-Libs aint any better.
Bar brawl rules, Wulfie.
I got one of em down on the floor in front of me and the other too busy to engage me.
Putting the boot in is a given, and failure to finish the job is a mistake.
The other side's time will come, they'll stick their neck out for my axe sooner or later, but the job at hand comes first.
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You notice that I very rarely argue with Frem, because he’s honest about his fanaticism. He’ll tell you right up front that he’s a nutcase and he’s happy with it. He might not use those words, but that’s basically what it amounts to.
Oh gee, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I regularly blow your pathetic little rightwingnut flim-flam faery tales to bits and then verbally sodomise you with your own ridiculous and pedantic arguments now, does it ?
Look, Finn...
You and your ilk *HAD* your chance to forment a reasoned, effective, logical opposition to Obama and his policies, but you squandered it, blew it away in favor of acting like spoiled little four year olds throwing a tantrum cause their playtime ran out, well boo fuckin hoo, not only am I not sorry for you, I am in fact pissed at you cause your own immature stupidity has poisoned the well of ANY opposition, and I'm not thanking you for pissing in MY pool you dumb ignorant jackass.
This act, more than any other, shattered any remaining credibility you might have had around here, which very frankly, isn't that damned much due to your repeated base lies and attempts to shovel the most laughable propaganda as fact even in spite of folks like me having, and sharing, absolute proof that those statements were false.
The scum you supported isn't gonna come to your rescue, having no use for the fools stupid enough to have supported their pending disaster in the first place, and the folks telling you all along these disasters were coming have even less sympathy for you - and the pathetic flailing and lashing out of you and your ilk has lead prettymuch the entirety of RWED to actually *enjoy* baiting you like one baits a cat with a string of yarn, just to watch you foam and fuss cause your own actions and those of the folk like you have reduced you to outright laughingstocks, a mere joke no one even pretends to take seriously any more.
I fear your only remaining redemption is seppuku, all the worse since it's none too likely you'll even find someone willing to offer YOU the mercy of the final headcut, perhaps you could ask Rappy.
Oh, and Rocketjock ?
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That last is the worst part to me. Never mind that torture is morally wrong, it's inefficient! Intelligence obtained under duress is always undependable. If you're going to be evil, at least be effectively evil. I don't think Obama's the second coming, but maybe he'll get the stupid people out of intelligence.
AMEN, if we were gonna play at being evil pricks, we coulda manipulated the UN into doing most if not all of the work for us, and parleyed on sympathy and rep to climb into a leadership position and manipulate it to enforce OUR will, getting what we wanted and having them damn near happy to give it to us!
But egos got more important than results, and were we anyone else, we'd have been kicked OUT of the UN by now, certainly we've blown any chance to subvert it by manipulating it's own corruption into a strongarm of US policy.
And torture is the worst possible means indeed, cause it poisons your database with crap that takes time and resources to investigate, and if you skip THAT step, then you wind up torturing one asshole after another who doesn't know a damn thing and just names some guy HE doesn't like till you're torturing a shitload of nobodies, who know nothing, drowning your database in crap and pissing off just about EVERYONE...
And getting no fucking where.
And yet, look out MUCH they got out of Ramzi Youssef in a by-the-book nonphysical interrogation, which if they had not IGNORED in favor of harrassing politically inconvenient citizens, more or less fucking over thie
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Especiallyn?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I DISAGREE with his politics and know they're bad for this country , ESPECIALLYN NOW!
Dope: [noun] AURaptor; an ignorant or foolish person
Synonyms: dumbbell, dummy, boob, booby, pinhead
The laughing Chrisisall
A typo , and that allows you to sulk away and dodge having to reply w/ any level of intelligence or maturity ?
That figures. Typical liberal. Anything to avoid having to deal w/ heavy thought.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Mal,
My views aren't downloaded, they are my own.
I'm not gullible enough to fall for cheesy one liners Obama has dished out, nor do I agree w/ his political views , that the Gov't needs to 'spread the wealth', when I know damn well that's code for " steal from those who earn to give to those who don't ".
Are you saying you'd wish Pawlenty or Jindal would have been President instead of Bush? Don't know enough about Pawlenty, but Jindal will have to wait his turn. Seems he wasn't OLD enough to run for President in 2000.
You got 1 thing right, it's hard to tell when a Liberal is joking, what with all the absurdity flying around from the Left. Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, and the like, I use to laugh at the crackpot things they were saying to, until I learned they weren't kidding.
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You hate Obama because he's black. You hate abortions because you hate sexualy active women. You hate gay marriage because you hate homosexuals. You hate taxes because you hate poor people. You love wars because you hate non Christians. You love conquering and dominating other countries.
First of all, don't HATE Obama. I just would prefer he weren't my President. Skin color is irrelevant. But that you think his color is an issue, don't tell that to the NAACP, who all but called him a cracker, because he shares no slave blood and wasn't " down with the struggle " , until he won the White House. Now they're cool w/ him. Further - I hate abortions because it kills humans. ( At least 1/2 of those are women, and you speak of women's rights? - Odd that you'd murder so many , for this concept of 'freedom ) I don't hate gays, sorry, that's just more of your simplistic mind being overwhelmed - again. You can't separate an issue on its merit , so you act like a 5 yr old and say " I just hate blah blah blah " . Sorry, you're wrong. I hate poor people because I hate taxes ? I don't think you thought that one out too much. But I do hate excessive taxes and bloated, intrusive Government. True. Freeing mankind from oppressive Governments is a noble cause. You'd prefer millions stay enslaved to a dictator, I happen to see things differently. Not being a Christian, I find your remarks funny.
I'd wish other countries would give their people as much freedom as we all have, here. I gots no reason to control them.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Sorry, it's just that you're blatantly ignorable at this point. Good for jokes only.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Anything to avoid having to deal w/ heavy thought.
No offense.
The succinct Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
"Maybe I'm not as smart as you, but atleast I'm not a lying snob like Barry. I look forward to his fall, and then I will dance
But I can't wait for them to fuck up.
When Barry drops the ball, I'll be rite here, to drink your tears...yum I can taste them now"
-Courtesy of the poster boy for The Fans of the American Downfall, our very own WhoZIT.
As much as I criticized the current administration, I never WANTED for them to do something that would hurt this nation just so I could do a told-you-so, I think the attitude that eagerly desires Obama to fail miserably is patently un-American at best, and near traitorous at worst. I have been told that I hate my country because I've disagreed with war & torture policies...so what is it when you actively want to see your country crash & burn, huh? Patriotism?
I call for peeps who said they want to see our country fail to apologize, but more importantly, I want Whozit to take that stupid bagel comment off his sig!!!
The
And there it is.....
The very essense of the new majority and their desire to take the baton from the former majority so we can all be good little puppys and stay completely divided while our Masters roam as they please.
Though I do totally understand where this is coming from, this isn't helping any of us at all Chris....
Justbeingrealisall,
~6
To clarify Chris, this is the part I'm refering to here:
As much as I criticized the current administration, I never WANTED for them to do something that would hurt this nation just so I could do a told-you-so, I think the attitude that eagerly desires Obama to fail miserably is patently un-American at best, and near traitorous at worst. I have been told that I hate my country because I've disagreed with war & torture policies...so what is it when you actively want to see your country crash & burn, huh? Patriotism?
As far as Whozit not talking about fucking warm bagels, I'm in total agreement.
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Quote:No they don't, and saying that they DO is twitism.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
All the rules change when your guy is in office, don't they? That's the twitism.
See. my main, and I mean MAIN problem with ya Finn, is that you had NO OUTRAGE over your boy Shrub officially sanctioning torture. Right there he chose to join ranks with the likes of Hitler, and YOU saw no problem with that, well, none that you voiced strongly, at any rate. See, if my own FATHER voiced an okay for Bushie's torture agenda, I'd count him in with the armies of darkness. That's the point where you lost most of your credibility with thinking peeps here, IMO.
In fact, you lost credibility on the whole board. AND every other board, even ones you don't frequent. Oh, also, God lost some faith in you as well...but no worries, Satan still loves ya!
Oh gee, am I being a bit grandiose here?
Could there be a comment or lesson in this?
The sardonic Chrisisall
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