Our hero. Choke on it, evildoers!!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, December 4, 2008 10:00
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I HOPE Obama is our hero. I suspect, though, he is a lot more conservative than most people know.
But I was thinking about evildoers - and well, since impeachment isn't going to happen, maybe some after-the-fact investigation by Justice (or by a revived Special Prosecutor role) is in order.
Will that happen ? I'll wait and see.
But more importantly, without impeachment or investigation/ prosecution, how do you keep this from happening again ? I suppose you could pass laws making signing statements, rendition, 'enhanced interrogation', government 'data mining', privacy invasion by corporations, non-federal government, etc illegal. But there already were laws on the books against propaganda, warrantless wiretaps, unreasonable search and seizure, for habeas corpus etc. And where did THOSE end up ?
Will more laws fix the problem ? Or do you need to set up automatic congressional investigation triggers so that these severe breaches of constitutionally guaranteed freedoms don't exist at the current political whim ?
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There is nothing wrong with being conservative, as long as people are helped and right is done!
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"We don't fear the reaper"
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If this party wants to make a statement,
they should amend the constitution after Bush has left,(think he and his buddies are going ot get off scott free, though it's going to be a pardon list of all-stars, I"m sure of it, and the righties will think everytying is perefectly normal and right with the world)
That amendment should prevent the President from pardoning himself, past President's, and members of a Presidential cabinet, past and present.
I'm not sure anybody wants to make that statement, but I wonder who would vote no on that, and what reason they would pull out of their ass for opposing it.
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my hero.... (now don't screw it up)
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Quote:You don't have to say that just to make 'Rappy feel better...
Originally posted by rue:
I HOPE Obama is our hero. I suspect, though, he is a lot more conservative than most people know.
Quote:Bush proved that that goddamn piece of paper can be twisted and/or ignored...I don't know really what could be done that couldn't just be undone by the next maniac that weasels his way into the White House...
do you need to set up automatic congressional investigation triggers so that these severe breaches of constitutionally guaranteed freedoms don't exist at the current political whim ?
Chrisisall
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Quote:My my, you certainly went to town on the hero thing!
Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
my hero.... (now don't screw it up)
Coolisall
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not sure who this is supposed to represent - just liked the photo... 
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
i'll see your Bruce Lee and raise you a car load of wild and crazy guys.....
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Wont it be so strange when Obama turns out to be just as human as the rest of us?
Hopefully he'll pick a better bangtail than Clinton did. Lewinsky was ugly as sin.
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Just ... wow.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Wont it be so strange when Obama turns out to be just as human as the rest of us?
Hopefully he'll pick a better bangtail than Clinton did. Lewinsky was ugly as sin.
Pssst.......we are not entirely sure YOU are human..........
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... get some hard currency like the ruble into the system, reduce the trade deficit, pay off the money we owe the Chinese ... yeah, that'll work ...
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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
i'll see your Bruce Lee and raise you a car load of wild and crazy guys.....
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Well Wulf, if you really wanna comment on white house fun and games of that stripe, hands down LBJ is your go-to guy.
Now that's not to say JFK wasn't a naughty boy too, and not very discreet either, but considering the hotties he was puttin flat, most folk gave him a pass.
LBJ though was kind of creepy in being ABLE to get that much tail, and how damned unconcerned he was who knew it.
He actually had the secret service lock ladybird in a closet while he nailed a pretty intern ON THE OVAL OFFICE DESK, with the windows open in case the public wanted to watch.
Not to mention shaggin Madeleine Brown on the side for like twenty some years, and fathering her kid, while banging Helen Gahagan Douglas and Alice Glass, just to name a FEW!
He would prettymuch nail anything in a skirt, and his buddy Jenkins was even worse, let's not delve into certain events in a particular YMCA mens room, shall we ?
Ewwww.
But Johnson was just so completely unrepentant about bangin anything that moved that it just came across with a distinct air of magnificent bastardy about it, given that he COULD get in their pants, cause charming or pretty, he was not.
Far as I am concerned about it, for doin his job, for his policies - the Pres answers to us, hell yes...
But who he's humping ? As long and they're of legal age, that's between him and his wife and I couldn't care less.
I mean, damn, it's almost unstated presidential tradition to bag as much nookie as you can down at 1600 West Penn, innit ?
-Frem
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Quote:That's my all time favourite moving gif!!!!
Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
*wipes away the tears of laughter*
LOLisall
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Frem,
True enuff.
Just wanted to snap some of these folks out of their fantasy.
Getting a little tired of all the Obama = Superman = Jesus = the One = the Savior crap Im seeing around here.
If Obama doesn't even DO anything, and the country is still standing after 4 years, then they will still call him a "god". Its tiring.
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You guy's will be heart broken in a few years when he's listed as, "The worst President ever!" He's a lying, jugeared, empty suit!! You guys are in for one hell of a let down when he does'nt do anything he said he would..........and then I will laugh at your pain! AHHHAHAHAHAHAHA! 
I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin
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Quote:Tired? Go to sleep then. Dream of your God Bush. ME? I'm gonna stay awake & make sure SuperObama does the truth, justice & American Way thang.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Getting a little tired of all the Obama = Superman = Jesus = the One = the Savior crap Im seeing around here.
Chrisisall
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Quote:Sad post from a sad little fearful wingnut.
Originally posted by whozit:
You guy's will be heart broken in a few years when he's listed as, "The worst President ever!" He's a lying, jugeared, empty suit!! You guys are in for one hell of a let down when he does'nt do anything he said he would..........and then I will laugh at your pain! AHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If Obama does NOTHING, it would still be a VAST IMPROVEMENT over doing EVERYTHING WRONG, like an administration that I won't mention *COUGHBushCheney*
Chrisisall
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Chrissy,
Admit it. Obama could be a mediocre, or even sub mediocre President, and you guys would still cream your pants over him...
(Shades of Affirmative Action?)
Hes just a guy. Smart, maybe. Knows how to manipulate, hell yeah.
But still just a guy.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hes just a guy. Smart, maybe. Knows how to manipulate, hell yeah.
But still just a guy.
A guy from Krypton.
Obama-Elisall
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HAHAHAHA!!! I'M LOVIN' WATCHING YOU GUYS HATIN' HOW WE'RE LOVIN' THIS!!!!
Chrisisall
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Quote:Ok, I gotta go with this one. That's rockin'.
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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Dr. Horrible Karaoke
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Im not hating. Im just being realistic.
I HOPE Obama will be a good president, like I have always HOPED our Presidents would be.
But am I going to run around screaming "Yes we Can!" like some cracked-out assclown? No.
Am I going to start drawing correlations between Obama and Superman and Lincoln? No.
What I will say is this: Like when Mal and the crew watched the Reavers pass overhead.. "So, we'll see what they do.."
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Quote:No fear, you guys think this douchebag is the 2nd coming, when you find out he's just another stupid lib, I WILL LAUGH AT YOU PAIN!!
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Sad post from a sad little fearful wingnut.
Originally posted by whozit:
You guy's will be heart broken in a few years when he's listed as, "The worst President ever!" He's a lying, jugeared, empty suit!! You guys are in for one hell of a let down when he does'nt do anything he said he would..........and then I will laugh at your pain! AHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If Obama does NOTHING, it would still be a VAST IMPROVEMENT over doing EVERYTHING WRONG, like an administration that I won't mention *COUGHBushCheney*
I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Chrissy,
Admit it. Obama could be a mediocre, or even sub mediocre President, and you guys would still cream your pants over him...
(Shades of Affirmative Action?)
Hes just a guy. Smart, maybe. Knows how to manipulate, hell yeah.
But still just a guy.
After Bush, even sub mediocre would be a massive improvement.
But I agree, he's just a guy. And he WILL screw some things up. No one is perfect.
Still better than screwing everything up.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Hey! You and AU are the same person!! I figured out your secret! You both can't quote stuff without doing it wrong!!! You must be ONE!!!
Originally posted by whozit:
Chrisisall P.I.
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Quote:I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Hey! You and AU are the same person!! I figured out your secret! You both can't quote stuff without doing it wrong!!! You must be ONE!!!
Originally posted by whozit:
Chrisisall P.I.
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Originally posted by whozit:
I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!
Laugh at it, Bush has given me a high pain threshold, in the meantime, I'll laugh at your technical abilities
.Here: you need this, WhozAUit:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2059986_post-images-internet-message-boards.ht
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Chrisisall
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'Nuff said.
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Quote:I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!
Laugh at it, Bush has given me a high pain threshold, in the meantime, I'll laugh at your technical abilities
Here: you need this, WhozAUit:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2059986_post-images-internet-message-boards.ht
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I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
'Nuff said.
Awesome.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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The BIG ZERO
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"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Got what? Where the fuck did he go? Have'nt seen him lately, do we have to wait until January 20th to GET it?
Originally posted by Storymark:
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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You'll never GET it.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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You guy's will be heart broken in a few years when he's listed as, "The worst President ever!" He's a lying, jugeared, empty suit!! You guys are in for one hell of a let down when he does'nt do anything he said he would..........and then I will laugh at your pain! AHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
'Zit, I think you're in the wrong thread. The "Bash Bush" thread is a couple pages down...
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Quote:I will laugh at your pain!!........then eat a cookie
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
You guy's will be heart broken in a few years when he's listed as, "The worst President ever!" He's a lying, jugeared, empty suit!! You guys are in for one hell of a let down when he does'nt do anything he said he would..........and then I will laugh at your pain! AHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
'Zit, I think you're in the wrong thread. The "Bash Bush" thread is a couple pages down...
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Umm, Wulf, this whole thread is just facetious chain yanking to piss off those so partisan they think the guy is the antichrist or something even though he ain't even taken office yet.
Fact is, he could be a good president, or a bad one, and we the people, if we ever got our shit together in a major way, could MAKE him be either one.
Enough of the public wanting something don't necessarily make it a good idea, but while I do not care for Obama, I've never once called him stupid - he ain't.
So, we'll see - he's gonna be busy for a while anyways, we're sending him a mop and bucket on the day he takes office as a pointed reminder he has a hell of a mess to clean up before formenting any of his own ideas, and he better make it A-1 priority.
Meanwhile, we'll be working with the JFPO to firm up opposition to any idea of crapping on the second amendment, and snaking some of our own hooks into Bidens people.
Notice how fast that old bastard turned near-invisible to the public eye ?
He's a lousy public speaker, and plays to it with obfuscating stupidity, but Obama is the velvet glove, and Biden is the iron fist - he's smart, scary smart, and he knows how shit *works* down in DC, enough to grease the right wheels and dump sand in the right ones and get it done.
Think Rumsfeld, but more competent and discreet.
So, y'all keep an eye on the front man, us ?
We're camping the left-hand man, cause that my friend is where the real danger lies since he's done a really great job of not telling anyone a damned thing, and I find it bothersome to not know what HIS intentions are.
-Frem
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Originally posted by whozit:
i'll see your inability to post images and raise you a monkey pulling a dogs tail.....
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Haven't seen too many people saying he's the next coming, at least not in earnest on these boards, it's more, "thank God for a change!" Election night I hoped for Obama - he's unspoiled by years in Washington (some say inexperienced) and so unexpected/different that he's going to get everyone's attention. We need that now, everyone's eyes front and focused.
Whatever, either way it was a win. McCain would have been honestly fine with me, just not my first choice. Feels like we have turned a huge page no matter what.
And I watch enough sports to know you don't talk smack before the the end of the game, so I'm not saying he'll be our saviour. His first press conference was a C+.
I'm worried about Whozit though. He/she seems to be getting very shrill lately. I would contact your internet service provider because while I see you posting, all that's coming through are pops and squeaks.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
'Zit, I think you're in the wrong thread. The "Bash Bush" thread is a couple pages down...
Kwickie, maybe you can help me out here. I've been asking those who claim " Bush lied ", per the war in Iraq, to offer up an example of WHERE Bush lied. Just one. So far, no one's been able to offer up a prime example.
Care to try ?
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Quote:Been done, no one here cares to bait you with truth just to get another "Wrong, that's a lie; you have no case" bs.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kwickie, maybe you can help me out here. I've been asking those who claim " Bush lied ", per the war in Iraq, to offer up an example of WHERE Bush lied. Just one. So far, no one's been able to offer up a prime example.
You've had the facts of the matter laid at your feet many times, you're just incapable of absorbing anything that conflicts with your calcified world view.
You're just a purplebelly backbirthisall
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Not once has the case been made. Only the charge has been repeated over and over so often, it became urban legend that idiots and traitors bought into.
Nothing more.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:I won't even bother with it, as I believe no one else here will either. You proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you & logic are certainly no friends, and arguing without an understanding of logical thought is a losing proposition all around...but a NEW website with NEW people as yet unaware of your deficiencies would be fertile ground for NEW debate, doncha think?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not once has the case been made. Only the charge has been repeated over and over so often, it became urban legend that idiots and traitors bought into.
Nothing more.
HINT HINT Chrisisall
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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
i'll see your inability to post images and raise you a monkey pulling a dogs tail.....
*tears of laughter*isall
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Not one Congressional or Senatorial report even hinting or suggesting that Bush lied,
Does that seem right to you, if Bush did indeed lie ?
I'd think there'd be SOMETHING there. But there ain't.
Things that make Raptor go hmmmmmmmmmmm .
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Quote:Here's an example of your logical inability for ya, 'Rappy:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not one Congressional or Senatorial report even hinting or suggesting that Bush lied,
Does that seem right to you, if Bush did indeed lie ?
I'd think there'd be SOMETHING there. But there ain't.
Things that make Raptor go hmmmmmmmmmmm
Bill Ayres is, by your accounts, a terrorist. Why is he not in prison? Can one do questionable, even outright ILLEGAL things and NOT end up in jail?
UtellMEisall
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Chris, you're avoiding the issue. Bush never lied per Iraq.
Ayers is clearly a terrorist, he was on the run for years, and then his trial was botched. Doesn't mean he didn't DO the crimes, he just wasn't prosecuted by the Feds for them.
Bush didn't lie. .
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Quote:Fixed that fer ya, 'Rappy!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bush is clearly a terrorist, he was in the administration for years, and then his procecution was botched. Doesn't mean he didn't DO the crimes, he just wasn't prosecuted by the Feds for them.
Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Fixed that fer ya, 'Rappy!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bush is clearly a terrorist, he was in the administration for years, and then his procecution was botched. Doesn't mean he didn't DO the crimes, he just wasn't prosecuted by the Feds for them.
You must resort to plagerism to promote your alternate reality. Sad.
fix your gorram sig, boy.
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Quote:..And when you do the same, it's- what? Acceptable?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You must resort to plagerism to promote your alternate reality. Sad.
You really are an a**hole when you try, AU
.Ad boy are you trying as of late.
(take that stupid lookin' period off your sig, boy)
isall
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I don't need a period after my sig addy, boy. I just did it to show you up.
Again.
And I did.
Again. 
.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't need a period after my sig addy, boy. I just did it to show you up.
Again.
And I did.
Again.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify your childishness...
It's all goodisall
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
'Zit, I think you're in the wrong thread. The "Bash Bush" thread is a couple pages down...
Kwickie, maybe you can help me out here. I've been asking those who claim " Bush lied ", per the war in Iraq, to offer up an example of WHERE Bush lied. Just one. So far, no one's been able to offer up a prime example.
Care to try ?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Been gone over to hell and back. Try doing your own Google-work.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not once has the case been made. Only the charge has been repeated over and over so often, it became urban legend that idiots and traitors bought into.
Nothing more.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Kind of like the one you keep repeating about Bill Ayers being a terrorist. Make your case - show us where he's either called himself a terrorist (your "self-admitted" bit) or, barring that, show us where he's been convicted in a court of law.
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No, kwickie, it's nothing like that at all, not in the least. There IS no Congress or Senate committee findings where Bush was show to have lied. It does not exist. In contrats, Ayers absolutely said he set those bombs, and wished they had done MORE.
''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.
You, have no case. Me ? I made my case, and it's rock solid.
I win, you lose.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Nobody has a case but you, 'Rappy.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You, have no case. Me ? I made my case, and it's rock solid.
Imma go for a low blow here:
OBAMA IS YOUR PRESIDENT IN 2009!!!!
Ha ha, I know that one had to hurt, but too bad!!!
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I win, you lose.
Apparently not, LOL!!!!!
The laughing Chrisisall
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If I lose, America loses. And if America loses, the world loses.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Don't ever let go of that Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it's like, your signature trait.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If I lose, America loses. And if America loses, the world loses.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:If you keep repeating it, it will become true, don't ya know....
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris, you're avoiding the issue. Bush never lied per Iraq.
Bush didn't lie.
The mirthful Chrisisall
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DLV- Where did you GET those?????
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Let's party like its 1929.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
DLV- Where.....
hi Sig,
who knows where these crazy things come from, really....?? but i found a bunch of nonsense over at http://zaiusnation.blogspot.com/ -( thank you Dr. Zaius)
...one of the best doggone blog spots in the whole www....if you ask me... oh yeah, and you did...
i forget the month they were up ....maybe august - but there are archives ...... if i can find it- i'll let you know....
btw:
Man is a pestilence.
"Dr. Zira, I must caution you. Experimental brain surgery on these creatures is one thing, and I'm all in favor of it. But to suggest that we can learn anything about the simian nature from a study of man is sheer nonsense. Man is a menace, a walking pestilence. He eats up his food supply in the forest, then migrates to our green belts and ravages our crops. The sooner he is exterminated, the better. It's a question of simian survival."
Only 1,970 years until the
Reign of Zaius!
WooHoo
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:If you keep repeating it, it will become true, don't ya know....
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris, you're avoiding the issue. Bush never lied per Iraq.
Bush didn't lie.
The mirthful Chrisisall
You keep repeating that he did lie, when he never did, and that didn't make it true. So why do yo think I'd do what you folks do , and fail at doing.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Ah hahahahahahaha, you is such a joker, AU. I know now never to take you seriously, LOL!!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You keep repeating that he did lie, when he never did
The amused Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Tired? Go to sleep then. Dream of your God Bush. ME? I'm gonna stay awake & make sure SuperObama does the truth, justice & American Way thang.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Getting a little tired of all the Obama = Superman = Jesus = the One = the Savior crap Im seeing around here.
/B]
So now "the American Way" is refusing to salute the National Ensign?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, kwickie, it's nothing like that at all, not in the least. There IS no Congress or Senate committee findings where Bush was show to have lied. It does not exist. In contrats, Ayers absolutely said he set those bombs, and wished they had done MORE.
''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.
You, have no case. Me ? I made my case, and it's rock solid.
I win, you lose.
Not sure I get it, AUrap. You keep repeating the facts, apparently alone, and numerous others blather on ad nauseum with their talking points and other lies. Then a repeat cycle. Do you really have hope to get through their thick skull? I do understand that great Americans like Reagan and Rush feel the hope is eternal and we shuld always try to enlighten our delusional brethern, but at what point do the diminishing returns negate the effort? Will there be a point when the likelihood that they are too young, too dense, too ingrained in their irrationality abate your hope?
I should probably admit that I was once like you, and was under the delusion that people really wanted to know, wanted to understand, wanted to do what's best, and it took some time before I understood that some people just don't. I do think it's possible that I just didn't try hard enough, but I did end up getting tired of it - the clueless and ignorant are by definition younger and often they have more energy and spare time. Thus, the liberals have a louder shout in open forums.
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I do believe you just overplayed your hand there, sock puppet.
-F
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Quote:The effort is negated when you make nonsensical statements like this; Rush is out for fame & glory, not the good of mankind, and Reagan was a dreamer who had little if any connection to the real world- he had his peeps do his bidding without a clue as to how, hence the horror of the Contras.
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I do understand that great Americans like Reagan and Rush feel the hope is eternal and we shuld always try to enlighten our delusional brethern, but at what point do the diminishing returns negate the effort?
This is what I hate, the idol-ification of the truly destructive & clueless among us just because we don't 'feel' a connection to the humanity we don't have a real connection to, so we raise up these fools to tell how to feel (and think)...
The regretting Chrisisall
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Hello,
I will offer no defense of Ayers, as I affirm that he is a terrorist and that he was wrong. This is a place where Mr. Raptor and I are in agreement.
However, Mr. Raptor and I are in disagreement as to the import of Mr. Ayers' peripheral contact with Mr. Obama. I do not see the men as buddies or pals, and I certainly see no evidence that Mr. Obama shares Mr. Ayers' deeply flawed terrorist principles.
Mr. Raptor and I are also in disagreement over the truthfulness of the Bush administration. At the very least, I feel it must be conceded that authorized government spokespersons released information that proved to be inaccurate and misleading in regards to Iraq. It is, I suppose, up to the individual observer to determine whether Bush was ignorant of the facts or whether he authorized his administration to lie. I'm not sure whether incompetence or untruthfulness is more attractive in terms of conclusions.
I am also dismayed at the administration's position on torture. I consider the periodic near-asphyxiation of detainees to be torture. The administration and its supporters do not appear to believe that this is the case. I can not reconcile their views with my own. I can not bridge the gap of logic.
I am also in disagreement with JewelStaiteFan's diatribe against liberals. Defining an entire class of people with a political orientation as clueless, ignorant youths with too much time on their hands is, to me, a foolish act borne of bias. Indeed, you will find many intelligent and seasoned liberals throughout all the ages of this country's history. I suspect you can trace the liberal mindset all the way to the founding fathers- that hotbed of leisurely, ignorant youth.
When I see this broad-stroke damnation of an entire class of people, I mentally hold a mirror up to the speaker, who quotes thusly when duly reflected: "You keep repeating the facts, apparently alone, while I blather on ad nauseum with my talking points and other lies. Then a repeat cycle. Do you really have hope to get through my thick skull?" If you would not be painted with the broad brush, you should keep from painting others with it.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quick note on that, Chris.
Hard times invoke what I call "monkeysphere shrink", and as it shrinks, of course less and less folk are inside of it to be considered "people" instead of the faceless masses.
In extremis, it is this very factor which causes otherwise loving people to dump grandma in a crummy home somewhere out of sheer financial necessity, and at it's worst, mothers to ditch or murder their kids.
I think, that fear can also shrink it, and the truely fearful, in genuine McCarthy fashion, define their world as "Us-n-Them", and as their fear of anything that isn't "Us" grows, their monkeysphere shrinks in direct reaction, till the only "Us" left is THEM.
(Which is one reason for the sock puppets, I guess imaginary friends are better than none.)
For a real life example, the psychological breakdown and fragmentation of Joe McCarthy during his fall from grace is a classic example of that exact phenomena.
It's ironic that my reaction to hard times and difficulty is exactly the opposite, I normally have a very closed off personal-space that few are really welcome in - but in times of crisis I throw the doors wide open and actively seek allies who have the same concerns and interests.
It's a bit sad though, that in the end their own hate and fear will be the only company they have in their tiny little bubble - although I will not lie and say I pity them for it, that self-inflicted misery is naught more than exactly what they deserve for attempting to inflict it upon us.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
So now "the American Way" is refusing to salute the National Ensign?
I can't believe that ridiculous statement still has any steam with anyone.
Clearly refusing. Yup.
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Hello,
I call it 'Gotcha' rhetoric.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
I am also in disagreement with JewelStaiteFan's diatribe against liberals. Defining an entire class of people with a political orientation as clueless, ignorant youths with too much time on their hands is, to me, a foolish act borne of bias. Indeed, you will find many intelligent and seasoned liberals throughout all the ages of this country's history. I suspect you can trace the liberal mindset all the way to the founding fathers- that hotbed of leisurely, ignorant youth.
--Anthony
Hello Anthony,
Sorry you misconstrued my commiseration with AUrap as diatribe. That would be a broader stoke. You should have noticed I did not, and would not claim ALL liberals share the same characteristics as SOME liberals. Thus it is also out of line to claim that I said and ENTIRE CLASS of people.
The weighting of the young does, however, affect the whole group known as liberals.
I will assume for the moment that you actually do understand that, by definition, ignorant and unknowing will be more heavily weighted towards younger people.
I am not offended if you do not agree with what I actually did say, nor if you disagree with other ideas which I did not say, but please do not attribute to me idiotic statements I did not say - that is what liberal media does to public figures.
You might consider that what seems an act borne of bias might actually be an observation borne of experience.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:The effort is negated when you make nonsensical statements like this; Rush is out for fame & glory, not the good of mankind, and Reagan was a dreamer who had little if any connection to the real world- he had his peeps do his bidding without a clue as to how, hence the horror of the Contras.
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I do understand that great Americans like Reagan and Rush feel the hope is eternal and we shuld always try to enlighten our delusional brethern, but at what point do the diminishing returns negate the effort?
The regretting Chrisisall
I'm sorry, are you referring to the Contras situation before or after the Boland Amendment?
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I will assume for the moment that you actually do understand that, by definition, ignorant and unknowing will be more heavily weighted towards younger people.
I take it then that you are in favor of sending the ignorant and unknowing to fight your wars. After all, armed services are more heavily weighted towards younger people, and it seems that you are far too old and experienced to volunteer for that which you'd gladly send the young to die for.
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I will assume for the moment that you actually do understand that, by definition, ignorant and unknowing will be more heavily weighted towards younger people.
I take it then that you are in favor of sending the ignorant and unknowing to fight your wars. After all, armed services are more heavily weighted towards younger people, and it seems that you are far too old and experienced to volunteer for that which you'd gladly send the young to die for.
You would take that incorrectly. Those who most often remain ignorant and unknowing stay out of the military, and they prefer to proclaim they know more about warfare and soldiering than those actually doing the combat.
You are correct that, with a 1/40 ratio of officers/enlisted and similar for NCOs in my branch, the young are more populous.
Using an example of Vietnam would be techincally correct that the ignorant and unknowing were selected/drafted, but with LBJ/McNamara destroying the needed unit cohesion and combat training, the resultant combat casualty rate was disasterous.
Those who are in the Armed Forces quickly learn how delusional the liberals are, as a general rule - this is far from a rule or broad stroke, it does not apply to every serviceperson. But those in uniform usually grow up much faster than their peers of age.
This is the primary reason that Democrats demand disqualification of absentee ballots from military personnel (because they are about 86% conservative votes) while insisting absentee ballots from convicted felons (felons have lost the right to vote, and their votes are about 96% Democrat) are included in the vote.
You are correct that I am currently too old to reactivate my enlistment. I did check into it in 2001, and in 1990 (the requirements were different each time). Although I had the highest possible reenlistment code when I went off active duty, our skills are very perishable and criteria was strict before Clinton.
Apparently you feel the purpose of National Defense is to "send people to die" but a more informed and knowledgeable person understands that the practice of training a professional corps of warriors for our National Defense has the benefit of REDUCING our combat casualties via more effective fighting.
I am not in favor of sending anybody to die, but to train for warfare in order to swiftly wage and complete combat is a necessity of existing in a world of terrorists and dictators. I do find it appalling that all combat awards are going to high ranking officer REMFs (like Generals) instead of deserving platoon-level combatants.
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