Firefly Treating Women Cruely
POSTED BY: twinklestar146
UPDATED: Sunday, November 3, 2002 19:18
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Hi, I'm new to the show and I wanted to know if this post is true or not...
1. On FF we have a woman who is a prostitute and this is considered to be the most honorable profession a woman can be in.
2. We have another woman that began the show being tortured.
3. We have another woman that was given away as a gift.
It was posted on another board. Was a woman really being tortured????? Can anyone explain??
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True but out of context.
Also not gender specific.
The concept of the "Companion" (Space Hooker) is a respected hired consort. They deal with only high society, choose thier clients themselves and there are both male and females. They are held in high regard and their profession is very ritualistic and includes much more than sex....it includes music, conversation, and other things people desire from a true companion.
The girl being tortured was not being tortured because she was female. She was being experimented on for her extrodenary mental abilities. She is supergenius, is able to predict events before they happen, and has insite into the minds of others. Evil badguys would have performed these experiments on anyone or thing that had these abilities.
I dont want to spoil the "Gift" thing for you....but I will say that no female has been given away as a gift on the show.
Also one of the strongest most formidible members of the crew is a woman. The character Zoe is an intellegent first officer and the feircest warrior on the ship.
Even the "Space Hooker" has an increadible sense of dignity and indepedant strength.
I think Firefly portrays women in a very respectable way.
You also might say
1) a Man was kicked into an engine intake
2) a Man on the show is a habitual criminal and is well respected for it.
3) a Man was brutally beaten and his arm slice by a rather large swinguard stiletto folding bowie.
you will also find non-violent, comedic, and touching moments on the show as well. Envolving both genders
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There was a woman who was supposedly given away as a wife in trade. This act, however, was deplored by the main character, Captain Mal.
Saffron: Are you gonna kill me?
Mal: What!? What kind of crappy planet is that? ... Kill you.
Saffron: In the maiden's home I heard talk of men who weren't pleased with their brides...
Mal: Well, I ain't them! And don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back! Look, wife or no, you are no one's property to be tossed aside. You got the same right as anyone to live and try to kill people. I mean, you know...people that are...that's a dumb planet.
FF is an extremely women-friendly show.
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Originally posted by twinklestar146:
1. On FF we have a woman who is a prostitute and this is considered to be the most honorable profession a woman can be in.
I'd just like to add that while it's indicated that Companion is a honored profession, there is NOTHING in the show to indicate that this is the MOST honorable profession a woman can be in.
Personally, I'm very pleased with the portrayal of women on this show. As The Skinwalker said, Zoe is a strong soldier fully capable of kicking the gluteus maximus of pretty much any guy who crosses her. Kaylee is a fantastic engineer and a woman who is utterly comfortable with her own sexuality. Inara, the Companion you've referred to, is a sharp businesswoman and a true force to be reckoned with. River is amazing in her own right; brilliant beyond words.
Please watch the show. It would be the best way to understand what's happening on FIREFLY.
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Originally posted by Avalon:Quote:
Originally posted by twinklestar146:
1. On FF we have a woman who is a prostitute and this is considered to be the most honorable profession a woman can be in.
I'd just like to add that while it's indicated that Companion is a honored profession, there is NOTHING in the show to indicate that this is the MOST honorable profession a woman can be in.
Nor is it said that only a woman can be a companion.
-MBS
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Originally posted by twinklestar146:
Hi, I'm new to the show and I wanted to know if this post is true or not...
1. On FF we have a woman who is a prostitute and this is considered to be the most honorable profession a woman can be in.
2. We have another woman that began the show being tortured.
3. We have another woman that was given away as a gift.
It was posted on another board. Was a woman really being tortured????? Can anyone explain??
the people who said those things out of context are only pissed off Dark Angel fan(and I heard some of them were Tara from BTVS fan) and they say that cause they decided to get Firefly canceled to make themselve feel better
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the people who said those things out of context are only pissed off Dark Angel fan(and I heard some of them were Tara from BTVS fan) and they say that cause they decided to get Firefly canceled to make themselve feel better
Oh come on. Get over this Dark Angel Vs Firefly crap (sorry Haken tell me if i cant swear)
I am sick to death of people like you accusing others of being Firefly haters cause of Dark Angel's cancellation.
It was Fox's decision. Not the fans, not the cast or crew of firefly, but Fox who made the decision. People may still be upset but why would they come to fireflyfans.net if they weren't firefly fans??????????????
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I didn't say he was really one of them but read this http://dafans.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=S3&action=display&num=103
6110214 and you'll see that everything he said come from there
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Alrite well I want to thank all of you for giving me that explanation! It really clears some things up for me.
I'd like to tell you all something else as well.
I'm a devoted Dark Angel fan, and basically, I'd like to clear some things up to. I have never bashed any FF fans or done anything bad on the boards, I came here to see if I could clear some things up and find out a little more about Firefly.
At first, Dark Angel fans were extremely angry at Firefly. That was because there was really no one to take their anger out at. But then the fans got organized and now we've been working on our campaign to save the show. The majority of the fans working on the campaign really don't care about letting their anger out at Firefly fans. It isn't important, and it certainly doesn't do anything to save Dark Angel.
I'd also like to let you know, a lot of the information posted is from Web Warlock, who is NOT a Dark Angel. Web Warlock gave the Dark Angel fans that information and, knowing it would probably be biased, I came here to clear it up and see what the REAL story is.
Again, thank you very much. Good luck with your show staying on the air and I hope it does, it sounds like a good show and it definitely proves the 'woman cruelty' part of the show wrong.
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Well, I never thought I'd see the day when a Joss Whedon show was accused of sexism. In fact, I'd say that every one of Whedon's shows is feminist in the pureist sense of the word. By that I mean that one of the underlying principles of each show is that women are not inheirently lesser--or better--than men.
Check it out:
Willow - Grows more and more powerful as the show progresses, and I'm not talking about her ability to flay people alive with the power of her mind.
Cordy - Kicks serious bootay, and that's not even counting in her ability to verbalily evicerate a person at will, or even her power to vaporize a building full of baddies.
Buffy - needs no explaination. hopefully.
Fred - Ok, so she's not alowed to use the words "dawg," "bro," or even "word" in certain contexts, AND art is not her best subject. But, she is still a genius that can kick vamp behinds and spout witty dialogue.
Lilah - I'll give her this. She may be evil, but she also inteligent, brave, cunning, and has more than her fair share of political acumen (sp?). And she knows one thing: if she's running errands, they better be evil errands. So she's also a woman of principles.
Dawn - a work in progress.
Tara - to know her was to love her. And let's not forget her masterful handeling of Spike in "Older, and Far Away."
Anya - does not take any 
off her men. Anyone that thinks that Anya is anything but cool, obviously missed last episode.
This is obviously a far from completel list, but you get the idea. Now compare this to the list of weak, pathetic female characters:
Harmony - was always a moron, even in the first draft of the pilot. Some people are just stupid.
Dawn (every season but this one) - at least she's getting better.
Riley - gets honorable mention ever though he's technically male.
Apart from these, I'm drawing a blank...
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