Firefly Treating Women Cruely

POSTED BY: twinklestar146
UPDATED: Sunday, November 3, 2002 19:18
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LIVINGIMPAIRED

Sunday, November 3, 2002 4:02 AM

Spelling does count most of the time. That's why there is spell check.

However, with the Internet, trying to enforce spelling rules is skiing uphill. Unless you're talking about a business e-mail, or something else formal--and there isn't much of that on the Net--then spelling does not count.

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At first it's just a place, and then you start to make memories and then it's like... that's where Spike slept, and there... that's where Anya and I drowned the Separvo demon and right here, here's where my heart got all ripped out... I really hate this place

THEGN

Sunday, November 3, 2002 4:11 AM

I really liked Dark Angel. It was my favorite show for a while, especially during its first season. It was very raw and flashy and offered so much potential. I fell in love with the setting and mood of the show as much as the characters, perhaps more. But the second season just didn't live up to the first season. A strong argument can be made that it was the Friday night timeslot that killed it, but I think it was as much the writing to be honest. The post-nuclear terrorist theme made Dark Angel a proverbial 'hot potato' for Fox after 9-ll. They tried to adjust the writing to focus on something else I think, but in the process they lost something. The second season still had a lot to offer, but I think Fox could see that they may have been running out of places to go.

On Spelling: I don't think people should be ridiculed for occasional spelling mistakes. Not that anyone has necessarily been ridiculed, but on these kinds of boards it does occasionally happen. However, I don't think spelling is something one should compromise on, either. Yes it is true that in many cases it doesn't matter, but spelling is something that requires practice, for everyone. No one just spells correctly. You are a good speller, because you care about the spelling, not because you have a knack for it, although you may. If you opt to not care about the spelling when it doesn't matter, there's a really good chance you won't be able to spell when it does matter. And in any event, it's just common courtesy. Don't ask me to waste my time reading anything you've written when you haven't cared enough about it to spell it correctly. I got better things to do then sift through your incoherent streams of letters. ;)

As for Firefly or Buffy being Sexists:
Hahahahhahahahaha

Oh wait...

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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In the Dark Ages, Romano-Celtic Britannia was over-run by Viking-like cultures collectively called the Anglo-Saxons. They were led by warlords called Drytinns, and the greatest warriors among them were the Thegns.

TWINKLESTAR146

Sunday, November 3, 2002 4:11 AM

Wow we definitely need to clear some things up here!

Because this board is mainly Firefly fans (obviously), I think a lot of you might be getting the wrong side of the situation.

Dark Angel fans DID come here (or to other message boards) and probably did bash the show. But they do not account for the thousands of other Dark Angel fans, who have never gone to a Firefyl board. If you'll visit the board that I come from, the same that Web Warlock posted that message on, you'll see how the fans there aren't angry at the Firefly fans at all.

http://dafans.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&nu
m=1036142892

This is the link and shows how the Dark Angel fans there aren't exactly killing the fan who posted on our boards.

It's really important to see that Dark Angel fans weren't the only ones lashing out, Firefly fans have come to our boards and posted messages meant to destroy our hope and other things like that. It's not just a one-sided ordeal. You may say 'Dark Angel fans started the fight' but the fans that came and started flames on our boards are no better. And just like those fans, they do not represent the whole.

Fans that hate Firefly don't even watch the show, they just hate the idea of having another show in the place of Dark Angel. They don't hate the people that watch it.

I just wanted to clear all of that up to make sure everything is ok between both boards!

About Web Warlock, I definitely realize that what he says is put out of proportion a lot. And it's a good thing I came here to get the real side of the story!

Kyley Statham
www.geocities.com/kyleystatham
The site for the girl behind Dark Angel's Jondy!

TWINKLESTAR146

Sunday, November 3, 2002 4:15 AM

I also wanted to add, about the Dark Angel fans thinking Firefly canceled their show, it can be seen it that way. Dark Angel was cancelled for Firefly, it was a last minute decision made by FOX. The originial pilot of Firefly was not liked and Dark Angel was going to be renewed, but then the writers came out with a new pilot, only one hour long, and that was favored over Dark Angel. So that's the whole grudge-against-Firefly deal.

Kyley Statham
www.geocities.com/kyleystatham
The site for the girl behind Dark Angel's Jondy!

THESKINWALKER

Sunday, November 3, 2002 4:31 AM

Kyley

I think it is cool you even went to the trouble to seek the truth. A lotta people wouldnt have even bothered if they saw a post like that. You got my respect

I have no sense of politics so I dont understand the whole fans vs. fans caca. But I can say I was mucho skeptical about Firefly when I first heard about it. I am not a big western fan, I grew up on a cattle ranch in CO and rebelled against anything "western"....heck I dont even have TV. But (as you may find out from the official Firefly site) I got involved and once I actually saw it I am now a super-ultra-mega-fan.

Even with all the aparent rubish about DA Vs. FS Vs. FF Vs. BVD . It represents a small yet noisey part of the fan population. Personally I dont take offence, I just chalk it up to the fact that there's always gonna be some bone-heads if you gotta big enough group. You had more brains and decided to think for yourself.

Nice website too.

Also (having seen your post while I was posting) I have worked for FOX going on 3 years.....I have stopped trying to understand thier corporate decisions, I just try to make the best out of em.

Hope if they read that they take it the right way

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I am gonna put the barfing smiley down here just cause it makes me laugh and I wanna see it. Doesnt have anything to do with the post.

THEGN

Sunday, November 3, 2002 4:38 AM

Yeah, I'm with TheSkinwalkeR. You're okay in my book, twinklestar146. And you're a DA fan, so cool.

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In the Dark Ages, Romano-Celtic Britannia was over-run by Viking-like cultures collectively called the Anglo-Saxons. They were led by warlords called Drytinns, and the greatest warriors among them were the Thegns.

LIVINGIMPAIRED

Sunday, November 3, 2002 4:57 AM

Personally, for my two cents, I kind of think it's beautiful how we can all put aside our petty differences and get along in love and harmony... and Ok, now it's getting so muchy I'm making myself yak.

Seriously, it's cool though.

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At first it's just a place, and then you start to make memories and then it's like... that's where Spike slept, and there... that's where Anya and I drowned the Separvo demon and right here, here's where my heart got all ripped out... I really hate this place

MOPBUCKET

Sunday, November 3, 2002 5:32 AM

Hello all,

This is my first post, but I must admit that I was and still am a fan of Dark Angel. Alba and Weatherly's chemistry lit up the screen, which, I guess, is why they are still together today. Let's face it, though, the 2nd season of DA was a let down after the 1st. Personally I'm glad it was canceled. I'd rather see Jessica Alba in a good show or movie then one that is going downhill.

As for FF and it's treatment of women. If you think Whedon or this show is sexist against women you're barking up the wrong tree. Simply watch the show and you'll see what I mean.

PS-I don't know about ya'll, but I think Jessica Alba would make a great guest star on the show. How about a role as Jayne's sister (who can kick his ass) or a rival companion of Inara's (for reasons central to the plotline of that episode). Come on, who doesn't think that would rock?

JAYNELOVER

Sunday, November 3, 2002 10:00 AM

twinklestar146, I think it's really cool that you did come here to investigate WW's comments. A lot of people wouldn't have thought to actually seek out the truth on their own. Add me to the list of posters here who respect you for it.

I wasn't here to experience any DA Firefly-bashers, so I can't really say much on that subject. All I can say is, I think most people are rational enough to realize that the fanatics (of every fandom) are a sad, small few. I went to the link you provided and was happy to see everyone exchanging opinions with such maturity. Why can't all people be like that...

I'll admit it makes me kind of sad when people won't give the amazing show that is Firefly a chance, but I don't blame them for it. I just love this show so much, and I know it could find an audience if FOX had the balls to stick with it.

And about the spelling, yes it's important. It's also kind of ridiculous to fault someone for one typo (like you don't ever make them? I know I do) when the rest of her spelling is perfect.

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Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.

KITHKILL

Sunday, November 3, 2002 12:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by twinklestar146:
Hi, I'm new to the show and I wanted to know if this post is true or not...

1. On FF we have a woman who is a prostitute and this is considered to be the most honorable profession a woman can be in.
2. We have another woman that began the show being tortured.
3. We have another woman that was given away as a gift.

It was posted on another board. Was a woman really being tortured????? Can anyone explain??

The next most rabid fan of FF that I know personally is my ex, who still comes round every week to watch the show. She loves the way the female characters are portrayed. Kaylee's a down-to-earth girl in the traditionally male role of engineer (she's into that 'cos she's a sound engineer herself, and thinks it's nice to see a gal giving the blokes a run for the money). Zoe's just nails (she's into that, too, and is currently deciding whether or not she'd get too many stares if she took to wearing long overcoats - and a shotgun, but that's a whole diferent story). River's a super-genius, and Inara's obviously not in a particularly submissive role.

Come on, this is from the guy who brought us Buffy, where a young girl kicks ass every week and has saved the word from approximately twelve separate apocalypses. No, the show isn't treating women cruelly - certainly not any more than the men...

Cheers,
Kithkill

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