Boycott ENTERPRISE .. it's just that bad.

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 24, 2005 20:10
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JRC

Friday, May 21, 2004 2:40 AM

Boycott? No thanks. I will and have stayed away from Idol, that Hilton crap, any "reality" crap for that matter. Can you please get p.o.'d at them instead? The people that make these shows popular should "feel your full wrath", not Enterprise fans. Fan boy geek? Used to be, but it was never a bad thing, like being addicted to cocaine. I have one question about these comparisons on Enterprise and war: Why not ask the writers, producers, even the actors from the show? I'm pretty sure they would have something to say about that. In the meantime, I will not believe everything said about the show.

Everyone dies alone.

RAW53X

Friday, May 21, 2004 2:57 AM

ENTERPRISE. is not a bad show. is had some good epersodes. it just that the series has not been used to its full potential. it been improving in series 3.

the whole war on terror angle has some merrit. but sci-fi has allway mirrored world events just look at the history of comix and movies.

but the suiside bomber eposode morral is "an eye for an eye and the world goes blind".

CLEANER

Friday, May 21, 2004 3:19 AM

Mmmmm to all those calling for a show to be cancelled, u all deserved to have FF cancelled on you.

Alot of people consider FF to be crap or average at best, not that you would ever admit this to yourselves.

Prehaps the lack of comic relief in Enterprise is not to your liking, or maybe they need to add some children to the crew to bring it down closer to your age group? IMHO these are 2 major improvements of Enterprise over TNG Voyager and DS9. I am by no means a Trekkie. I think ST some of the worst PC crap ever put on TV, especially the original series that was 70% outright US propaganda. Enterprise is a breath of fresh air.

It annoys me that people cannot see the links between the episodes. I couldn't believe all these trek nerds complaining that T'Pol was not acting like a Vulcan, if you couldn't read between the lines that she was under the influence of something then GO WATCH SURVIVOR it should be dumb enough for u to comprehend!

I'll say it again DON'T S**T WHERE U EAT! support Scifi, there is very little left.

CALHOUN

Friday, May 21, 2004 3:43 AM

Wailin on Enterprise... with all the other crap on tv... No one should wail on Enterprise without first wailin on about a billion other reality or sitcom shows first. I'll gladly take any sci-fi over idol or the like.

Political parallels... some people can see parallels with anything. Some people hear voices in their heads.

I like smackin'em!

KNIBBLET

Friday, May 21, 2004 3:57 AM

Ghoul,

I have to say that I think the show has improved over the latter half of the current season.

T'Pol isn't a battered wife, nor is she a skank. Her attraction to Archer isn't that of love or the Stockholm Syndrome. The episode that showed them married (He had no ability to maintain memory) displayed only loyalty and a sense of guilt that he was injured saving her.

I enjoy the fact that in an alternate future, she and Tripp are married. He's sort of cute in a southern fella sort of way.

As for the Archer/Bush parallels ... I couldn't agree with you less.

1. Unlike Archer, Bush is not the son of a great man. He's the son of a one term president who was allegedly "out of the loop" concerning Iran/Contra. hmmmm, former head of the CIA, current VP and he is out of the loop?

I saw a bumper sticker yesterday. "Like Father Like Son. One Term." I'm going to get one for my car.

Before I hear about how I'm a just a liberal and therefore a 'hater', I voted for Reagan twice and Bush Sr once.

Archer isn't a weak-minded, lying bastage who avoids moral responsibility and the slightest personal risk. He doesn't think he hears God singing his praises in his morning bowl of cornflakes.

I like Archer. I loathe Shrub.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

DRBORIS

Friday, May 21, 2004 4:20 AM

Star Trek has from its inception always carried a political message of some sort. Granted it used to be far more American-centrist. So what if it swung later. decide the swing direction for yourselves and stop argueing about it ain't accomplishing anything and because in the long run most people arn't growing their political opinions from what they've seen on Trek.

Got news for some of you who hate Ent. because of seasons one and two. No Trek was ever at its best right out of the gate. Ent. just had a particularly bad start due to poor writeing and no attempts to find the stride.
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The quality improvement for the latter half of this season? Yup, experimenting with different writers...

As for insulting Trekkies: It's mean for no reason. I know popular media has given them a bad name for being show worshipping nerds but I mean, take a look at us. The orriginal Trek had about DOUBLE the time on air our hero show did. Who are we to make fun of them...

Oh well, all of that is just my built up frustration at the Ent. bashers. Take it for what its worth...

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"If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed." - Mal

GHOULMAN

Friday, May 21, 2004 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by captaincdc:

And could you expand upon what you meant by this:
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btw, a lie is not an opinion. So don't jump on me for shitting on peoples opinions, as I've never done that. Liars, however, will feel my full wrath.

Thought I was clear when I said about my political posts ...

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About politics... I don't know myself but it's pretty obvious to me Firefly was 'messed with' by FOX simply because they saw it as liberal propoganda. That, btw will be my next thread.

btw, a lie is not an opinion. So don't jump on me for shitting on peoples opinions, as I've never done that. Liars, however, will feel my full wrath.

And to CERTAIN OTHERS HERE - I don't appreciate being misquoted... TWICE, in this thread. If you people don't know how to read I might suggest the long walk off the short warp nacelle.

And I can see I've found a bunch of people who have no frellin' clue at all. No politics in Star Trek? STAR TREK!!! Buy a frellin' clue.

SIGNYM

Friday, May 21, 2004 1:21 PM

Politics is in EVERYTHING. Some of you are too young to remember those ridiculous Pledge (furniture polish) commercials with the woman waltzing around her upper middle class home in heels and a chiffon dress, a can of Pledge in her hand, but there's politics in that too: We're all upper-middle class or aspire to be, the woman is a stay at home whose biggest concern is getting her furniture glossy and clean, buying something will make you complete.

It's deeply frustrating to read science fiction that dreams up atom-thick beings living on the surface of a neutron star who have no idea of a vertical dimension, only to have them behave like the author's stupid idea of primitive African tribes... Even LeGuin, who TRIES to address the social dimension, can't seem to rid her characters of a North American middle class angst.

Firefly is in fact OVERTLY political. You don't need to look very deep to see that Mal is reacting to the political, economic, and military structure of his 'verse by being in opposition.

Having said that... Ghoulman, while I understand your frustration it's not productive to glower. We have a guy at work whose main response to so-called liberal politics is to adopt a threatening stance (raised voice, nose to nose, veins popping, fists clenched). It's a real discussion stopper.

JLP

Friday, May 21, 2004 1:40 PM

Ghoulman,

What a load. When I read posts like yours, posts that attempt to be so completely pseudo-intellectual about an entertainment show, I can have only one rational reaction--to roll my eyes. Agenda? Yes. You do have an agenda. Destroy what little science fiction on television there is in the name of advancing some liberal namby pamby schlepp ideals.

Do I love Star Trek Enterprise? Not especially. I have watched it off and on for the three seasons. I liked season one fairly, season 2 left me uninterested, and season three has been one of the more enjoyable sci-fi seasons anywhere.

Do I get my politics from Star Trek? Come on. Do I get my opinions on the Iraqi war from Star Trek? You must be kidding.

It is a show. It is entertainment. I am completely capable, as are the majority of people who think about anythign besides their navel lint of keeping story and reality seperate. So even if ST:E is trying to advance "right wing" ideals, are we not able to distance ourselves from the story line?

I had included a long political rant in this post. I have taken it out because you know what? This site is a haven for me. A place I visit daily to hang out with folks who love firefly. Politics makes people angry. I know my opinions, and no poorly worded argument by you will change them. I will avoid your posts from now on.

over and out.

GHOULMAN

Friday, May 21, 2004 4:15 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Having said that... Ghoulman, while I understand your frustration it's not productive to glower. We have a guy at work whose main response to so-called liberal politics is to adopt a threatening stance (raised voice, nose to nose, veins popping, fists clenched). It's a real discussion stopper.

Terrific post SignyM. You're great!

And about that guy in your office... send him my way and I can deal with him.

And just to put this out there (to no one in particular) - people around this BBS seem to blame me for 'arguments' on this BBS. Well, I gotta say that's just sour grapes from people who can't deal with someone who doesn't put up with baloney. You know... I gots man parts

. Ain't Dr. Phil over here. Notice how some people, even in this thread, are so put out they lay down post after post about how horrible I am. Well, it's not like I'm going after people. I got jumped in the 'Our President' thread and defended myself from a lieing bastard. Then, a certain someone decided to troll me about the 'torture Mr. Bush' thing... and he got his too (for being a liar, cruel, and inhuman). It's not like I don't play nice if people play fair.

But this Enterprise thing is not the end of the world... why some people think that I can only imagine they are 'smelly'

Personally, I see it as a sad comment on Sci-Fi, which I think is the point I made clear in my first post. Some people bring a lot of baggage with them and Trekkies (btw, I consider myself a Trekkie) perhaps more so.

Case in point... I spent a few months last year posting against Enterprise on th eTrekBBS. Funny, the Trek fans there like me. It's like I said in another thread - a lack of sagacity isn't a judgement on your intellegence. People like Benny Hill but that doesn't make them stupid. Though not understanding that might indecate so *chuckle*

What... you're shocked and disappointed? I'm evil.

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