Boycott ENTERPRISE .. it's just that bad.

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 24, 2005 20:10
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3OF19

Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:37 PM

If you absolutely want to analyze the Xindi arc, do it right:
Sphere Builders: Bush Administration
Xindi:
Reptilians: US
Insectoids: UK
Aquatics: UN
Primates: Germany
Arboreals: France

Starfleet: US between 9/11 and Iraq war.

I'd agree with you that "Chosen Realm" (the suicide bomber episode) was very heavy handed. But overall the third season has been very good.

It has been really desperate times for the Enterprise crew, trying to prevent the certain destruction of Earth. They have done things they aren't proud off to say the least, torturing a prisoner in Anomaly, stealing engine parts in Damage...
But don't forget, this is a mission they have to see through. Real danger, and not shaky intel and a possible hidden agenda.

If I could trade Enterprise season 4 for Firefly on tv again, I'd do it in a hearbeat. It's not that good, but has shown enough improvement through this season that I'll tune in again next season, and if that one continues to improve (and the ratings finally catch on) the seasons that might follow.

If you had seen the last episode, you'd also have checked that Hoshi rant at the door.

Mayweather has been underused this season for a reason: Anthony Montgomery's father has been very ill this past year and Anthony specifically asked for more time off so he could take care of him.

SOUTHERNSLAYER

Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:18 PM

As I've stated before In a similar thread, Im not the biggest Enterprise fan but I must disagree with your posts and the very idea behind your posts. If you dislike Enterprise as much as you say, then why watch the show in the first place? Wouldn't it be simpler for you to choose not to watch Enterprise and allow others the choice of whether or not to watch, free from the damaging effects of your forced opinions? I also feel it is unfair for you to further damage a shows reputation by suggesting it mirrors events of a current and heated political nature. Such disscusions only ever succeed in creating unwanted arguments of which are unessesary and divide us. Finally I must display my disgust at your willingness to use a tool intended to allow us Browncoats to converse, as a tool in which to tarnish another shows name in the hope of securing its cancellation. That I believe is low, especially considering the trials us Browncoats have had to endure this past while back.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

GHOLA

Friday, May 21, 2004 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by Ghoulman:

btw, a lie is not an opinion. So don't jump on me for shitting on peoples opinions, as I've never done that.

You're not shitting on peoples opinions??? I must have read the following statement wrong.

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Originally posted by Ghoulman:

^^^ Hey CAPTAINCDC, like the show all ya want. Not like it's a crime to lack sagacity.

You're calling him stupid and you're not shitting on someone's opinions?

JERRY111

Friday, May 21, 2004 12:16 AM

enterprise is better than firefly

FOSTER

Friday, May 21, 2004 12:21 AM

Whoa, spewing stereotypes imagine that. I did not know that the only people who liked enterprise were obsessed little boys. I guess that I will just have to reevaluate my interest in the show. And Vulcan’s are liberal when did that happen last time I checked they were the most tradition bound unchanging logical race in the Trek verse. Not that refusal to change and logic really go together if you are looking to survive but never mind.

As for suicidal bombers sure they can blow themselves up all they want but not if other people are in the vicinity. As for killing suicide bombers why the hell not. They want to die for their cause it makes them martyrs. You are much more useful to the cause if you are dead.

The theme that you see against liberal politics in the show and using CNN as conservative, well, I don’t think that you’ve noticed but CNN is a liberal news source. You also didn’t need to slam CAPTIANCDC, just to let you know it makes you look petty.

The propaganda that your talking about in the show that is their prerogative so they support Bush’s decision what’s it to you? If you feel so bad about it go produce your own show and have it support your own beliefs. Otherwise this post of yours is propaganda and well if you want to be more successful at it you might want to follow Hitler’s advice “All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself.”

As for liberalism in general, do you really just mean you’re against the war? Well war makes great stories. Wait I know another show that had to do with War. If you are trying to say that Firefly’s message is liberal well let me say that if you take our two main political parties and their values, the Democrats would not be the Browncoats. Republicans are for smaller government (much), less government interference in private lives, and more personal responsibility. Just to let you know.

I recomend that you read FREEHOLD by Michael Z. Williamson, at least it will give you an idea of how the other side sees things. or ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand.

"The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." -Plutarch

SHADESIREN

Friday, May 21, 2004 12:32 AM

I was a loyal Trekkie, thruogh Next Generation, through Voyager, and through most of DS( (ok, I ony really like the Ferengi episodes, but still).

I still own a Next Gen and a Voyager "communicator badge" (pretty shiny pins).

I watched the first season of Enterprise. I thought the Beagle was adorable. I watched part of the second season..

and I realized, hey - I've seen this episode before.. it was called "Enemy Mine" the first time.

I realized that every episode I was watching was a total rip off of some other movie or episode of another series, and I just couldn't watch it anymore.

I think I actually saw the season finale of season 2. I have only seen bits and pieces of the last season - and that was too much. It just made me sick to know that Enterprise would keep flying, when Firefly was gone.

When Buffy was gone.. when Angel was gone.. when Wonderfalls was gone.

All good things must come to an end, huh? Does that mean the bad stuff just goes on and on and on and... ugh.. my tummy hurts.

RKLENSETH

Friday, May 21, 2004 12:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jerry111:
enterprise is better than firefly

Now that's a comment that can get you hurt out here, son.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

SIGNYM

Friday, May 21, 2004 1:00 AM

WHAO THERE FOSTER! When you say...

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If you are trying to say that Firefly’s message is liberal well let me say that if you take our two main political parties and their values, the Democrats would not be the Browncoats. Republicans are for smaller government (much), less government interference in private lives, and more personal responsibility. Just to let you know.

...you're WAAAAY off the mark! The Alliance is not Democrats. It's the United States when it tries to dominate/ colonize other nations. And if you don't belive me, believe Joss...

"Mal's politics are very reactionary and 'Big government is bad' and 'Don't interfere with my life,"' Whedon explains. "And sometimes he's wrong -- because sometimes the Alliance is America, this beautiful shining light of democracy. But sometimes the Alliance is America in Vietnam: we have a lot of petty politics, we are way out of our league and we have no right to control these people. And yet! Sometimes the Alliance is America in Nazi Germany. And Mal can't see that, because he was a Vietnamese."

Joss Whedon

In this case, it would be George (dubya) Bush interfering in Iraq instead of Johnson interfering in Vietnam. And if you STILL don't believe me- here's the link!

http://flatdisk.net/exonews/xtra/josswhedon.htm

Actually, I suggest you read the whole thing anyway... it's really interesting and very revealing.

Oh and BTW, I don't watch Cap'n Archer. Like the previous poster said- do only the bad things go on and on?

NRKANGEL

Friday, May 21, 2004 1:13 AM

Open post to everyone on this thread-

What's going on here? Good grief, enough with the juvenile crap already. What happened to finding something we can all share and enjoy? I thought that's what this board was about, sharing the fun of FF.

At the top of this posting, there is a note asking everyone to please be civil when responding to others. You're adults. Y'all know what's right. Keep that in mind before rationalizing the subtle insults and derogatory references to others. It not enough to say that someone else started it, or that you were only defending yourself from a personal attack.

You guys have been a lot of fun. Don't spoil it by escalating this trivial crap.

Hey, anyone want to create a FireFly boardgame?

NRKANGEL

Friday, May 21, 2004 1:23 AM

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Originally posted by Shadesiren:
I was a loyal Trekkie, thruogh Next Generation, through Voyager, and through most of DS( (ok, I ony really like the Ferengi episodes, but still).

It just made me sick to know that Enterprise would keep flying, when Firefly was gone.

All good things must come to an end, huh? Does that mean the bad stuff just goes on and on and on and... ugh.. my tummy hurts.

Yeah...have to agree, hurt tummy and all. I'm still a fan of the old Star Trek series, campy as it looks now, but I couldn't stay on the bandwagon for the whole of STNG or the others. Some episodes were great, but It was just a little too sterile for me...I prefer watching Mal and company match wits with the Alliance and the likes of "YoSafBridge" on the busted-looking, ancient relic of a Firefly. Damn I love that ship...

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