Was Jesus a Marxist?

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:17 PM

Luke 12:33
33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Make money-bags for yourselves that won't grow old, an inexhaustible treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

Acts 2:45
45 So they sold their possessions and property and distributed the proceeds to all, as anyone had a need.

Acts 4:35
35 and laid them at the apostles' feet. This was then distributed to each person as anyone had a need.

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=%20Lk%2012:33;%2016:9;%20Ac%202:4
5;%204:35;%201Tm%206:18;&version=77

Luke 14:1-14
When you make a dinner or a supper, don't call your friends, nor your brothers, nor your kinsmen, nor rich neighbors, or perhaps they might also return the favor, and pay you back. But when you make a feast, ask the poor, the maimed, the lame, or the blind; and you will be blessed, because they don't have the resources to repay you. For you will be repaid in the resurrection of the righteous."

The young man said to him, "All these things I have observed from my youth. What do I still lack?"
Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sad, for he was one who had great possessions. Jesus said to his disciples, "Most certainly I say to you, a rich man will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven with difficulty. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God."

www.jesuscentral.com/ji/life-of-jesus-modern/jesus-poor.php

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KHYRON

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:22 PM

Are you saying Obama's like Jesus?

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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:27 PM

The religious right rejects out of hand the socialist ways and thoughts of Jesus, and pays attention to the Commandments & Wrath-type stuff with which they are more comfortable.

Chrisisall

MALBADINLATIN

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:41 PM

Jesus wasn't a Marxist. Marxism represents various transitional strategies between whatever and Communism. Jesus was a horse that already left the barn. His enemies were the moneychangers and financial institutions that concentrated wealth. Jesus was the first Communist!

Many Republicans do many unchristian things. They are unsympathetic to the modern day lepers...AIDS victims. The less fortunate should suffer with no regard for whether or not they're dissabled, or mentally ill, or something else legitimate. Same sex anything is just a bad choice from bad people. They subscribe to the concept of "exceptionalism" to the point of homicide. They're just like Romans!, not Christians!

Last night the Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party was on Colbert to denounce McCain and Obama for both being Capitalist. Do I need to elaborate further concerning the pittifull assertions by that brainless twerp of a hag Palin and Father Time? Didn't think so...

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:54 PM

Republicans are much more interested in useing Christ as a tool to gain power, than actually following any of his teachings.

Not that I'm saying this is true of all Christian Republicans - just those who run the show. Latching on, and pandering to Christians was pretty much the best strategic move the GOP has evenr made. They get to do pretty much everything they want to, and as long as they say Jesus every once in a while, and give some lip service about ending abortion.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Luke 12:33
33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Make money-bags for yourselves that won't grow old, an inexhaustible treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

Acts 2:45
45 So they sold their possessions and property and distributed the proceeds to all, as anyone had a need.

Acts 4:35
35 and laid them at the apostles' feet. This was then distributed to each person as anyone had a need.

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=%20Lk%2012:33;%2016:9;%20Ac%202:4
5;%204:35;%201Tm%206:18;&version=77

Luke 14:1-14
When you make a dinner or a supper, don't call your friends, nor your brothers, nor your kinsmen, nor rich neighbors, or perhaps they might also return the favor, and pay you back. But when you make a feast, ask the poor, the maimed, the lame, or the blind; and you will be blessed, because they don't have the resources to repay you. For you will be repaid in the resurrection of the righteous."

The young man said to him, "All these things I have observed from my youth. What do I still lack?"
Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sad, for he was one who had great possessions. Jesus said to his disciples, "Most certainly I say to you, a rich man will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven with difficulty. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God."

www.jesuscentral.com/ji/life-of-jesus-modern/jesus-poor.php

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I thought jesus was a jew ?

maybe that was jebus ?

Lets party like its 1939

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:59 PM

I have never understood how the "moral majority" could call themselves "christians" and yet they have so much hate for anyone not like them.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:25 AM

Quote:
Are you saying Obama's like Jesus?

heh heh heh

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SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:42 AM

I note for the record that the right-wing is silent when exposed to the words of Jesus. (Rapo is excused since he's not religious, except in his devotion to Rush Limbaugh.)

Anyway, I just had to post this since peeps were making such a fuss about Obama. The Christian religion has been thoroughly corrupted by love of money over the years. It has become little but a cover for hate-filled money-changers who feel they only need to say two words once in a while (patriotism, Jesus) to deflect criticism.

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:44 AM

Hey! I just got a hold of an ORIGINAL translation of the Bible- one that's been passed around in Conservative religious right circles for generations, and never before read by the general public!! Here's an excerpt:

Quote:
And lo did Jesus come upon the leper, who said unto him, "I have no food, nor do I have all of my fingers- please, alms, alms for the poor?"
And did Jesus spake to him;
"Thou shalt not whine, neither shall you grovel, but pull firmly upon the straps of your sandals- your fate is that what you make of it!"
Then did John firmly state:
"Shall we not be our brother's keeper, oh Christ? You stated this plainly-"
Jesus did answer:
"John, get thee from upon my back, lest I strike you in anticipation of thy future irritation!"

MAN, did WE have it all wrong...
JESUS WAS A NEOCON!!!!!!

Chrisisall

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:48 AM

*sigh

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
*sigh

Yeah, right?
I should have know that Christ was just another sell-out! And then they re-write it all to make him seem all noble....

isall

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:56 AM

Jesus was the only Jew AGAINST money-lenders...

and look what happened to Him.

heheheheheheheheheheheh

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:57 AM

I've lost all faith...

RUE

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:58 AM

Now I'm all confused --- Palin, self-avowed radical christian --- says it's wrong to spread the wealth, but Jesus said it was good.

SOOOoooooo...... confused. I just can't imagine who got Jesus's message right.

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PIRATENEWS

Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:10 AM

Commie Obama is the atheisit jewish Messiah, otherwise known as the Antichrist.
http://rightwingagenda.blogspot.com/2007/02/is-barack-obama-anti-chris
t.html

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“That is why Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief: it stresses man's capacity to shape his material destiny – finite and defined as man's only reality – and it postulates the absolute capacity of man to truly understand his reality as a point of departure for his active endeavors to shape it. To a greater extent than any previous mode of political thinking, Marxism puts a premium on the systematic and rigorous examination of material reality and on guides to action derived from that examination.”
—Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Between Two Ages, 1970
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=46081.0

Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan

Quote:
"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough. Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at. Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon.''
-Professor Bill Ayers, FBI/CIA employee and confessed bomber of NYPD HQ, US Capitol, NY Supreme Court, bombed and killed two female bombers in his house, busted CIA LSD mind-control agent Timothy Leary out of prison, confessed to 12 bombings but never prosecuted, author of Barack Hussien Obama Sotoro's authorized biography and grant recipient of Obama's Annenberg Foundation

Hussein Obama Soetoro's granny says Hussein was born in British Kenya, Obama's lawyers admitted that in federal court, federal judge opins that US presidents can be illegal aliens in opinion written by Obamas' employers:
www.obamacrimes.com

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983
www.infowars.com/bg1.html

Terrorist Hussein Obama murdered 1,000 Christians and burned 800 churches during his Communist presidential campaigns in Kenya. Obam's cousin named his son Fidel Castro.
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamanation-raped-killed-100
0_25.html
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78132

Obama is a member of the New Party, formed by members of the Democratic Socialists for America and the Community Party USA
www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78945

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com

MaCain's wife is a Mafia princess, and his father-in-law is a convicted felon bootlegger for Jewish Meyer Lanski mafiya in Israel.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.crime/browse_thread/thread/7fc1126c
49d4af65

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:11 AM

Marxism is a political practice or philosophy that is derived from Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels – two men who wouldn’t even be born before almost 1800 years after Jesus’ death. So there is no way for Jesus to have been a Marxist, since Marxism did not exist contemporary with Jesus’ life. It may be true that much or some of Marx’s beliefs were shared by Jesus, but it is not possible that any of Jesus’ beliefs were Marxists in any way.

What Jesus spoke of was charity, and much of what Marx believed he probably understood because these were ideas that were already well established in Christian culture. Charity is a key component of Christian theology. But that being said, both Jesus and Marx sought to describe what they saw as injustice in their society. In 17th century Europe, poverty and oppression unlike anything that exists in the US or UK today, was rampant across Europe. And efforts to elevate that oppression by the lower classes rising up and taking control were not new (Marx didn’t come up with that either), but those efforts failed because in the end, they always replaced that oppression with more oppression (which sadly is the case with Marxism as well.) Marx lived in a world that exercised a very European type of “liberty;” a liberty that was held only by those born into it. The concept that freedom was an unalienable right existed only as an ideal in 17th century Europe – there was no Declaration of Independence to canonize the concept. Marx described what he saw in terms of a European aristocracy. The capitalist then become the aristocrats, but Marx failed to predict a society in which capitalists can be lower class as well and therefore failed to see that capitalism is not a form of aristocracy – in essence Marx failed to predict the rise of the Middle Class. Ironically, although it may not have been what Marx believed, Marxists and the practice of Marxism has developed an implementation of the Marxist utopia via a dictatorship called socialism in which the government forcibly imposes the order of Marxism on the people.

Jesus lived in a society that was also aristocratic and even more oppressive, and Jesus’ response, in many ways, was even more extreme then Marx. Marx, after all, never suggested giving up one’s possessions and living in poverty, but Jesus did. In fact, I don’t know that Marx ever suggested that any one do anything, because Marx spoke in broad concepts of classes and economy. And therein lies the distinction, Jesus taught charity, Marx taught social structure. Jesus fought against the government and its oppression, Marxism seeks to unleash the oppression of the government.

The two are not the same; in fact they may polar opposites. . I’m not a Marxist, I don’t believe that a dictatorship (socialism) will lead to a free and classless society (communism). I believe the dictatorship (socialism) leads to more dictatorship, and history backs that up. If Marx were alive today, he wouldn’t be a Marxist, given how miserable Marxism has failed. But I do believe in charity, and I support my local charities and churches which provide charitable assistance – that’s a good thing, if you are a Christian, it is part of your religion, but even if you aren’t a Christian it’s a good practice that can only improve our society. So Jesus was right. Marx was wrong.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

RUE

Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:20 AM

Jesus wasn't talking about ameliorating poverty through charity - "The poor you will always have with you". Like Buddha, he wanted to free people from the grip of emotional attachment, in this case, attachment to status through things, position, and ritual. The lesson I get is that by focusing on those, we make ourselves small-minded, small-hearted and mean.

Regard the lilies of the field ... a man cannot serve two masters ... than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven ... and you are that poverty ... back of the temple ... mote in thy brother's eye ... and so on.

The comparison to Marx is somewhat misleading, because Jesus and Marx had a different basis regarding the human relationship with physical existence.

Jesus wanted people to detach themselves, Marx saw people (and their ideas) as integral with their physical world.

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WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:23 AM

Jesus was a libertarian.

RUE

Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:26 AM

Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar ... doesn't quite fit in with the libertarian ideal.

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MALBADINLATIN

Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:27 AM

No! Jesus was actualy a 911 Republican.

You folks have obviously missed the new King Karl version of the Bible. Jesus actualy was a big fan of a homicidal need for revenge. After that...the path of the faithfull leads through socking someone in the mouth who had nothing to do with what made you homicidal in the first place. Thus cleansing the souls of other Christians of anything they may have done, or might do some day, cuz you were pissed off at them too the more you thought about it.

See?....God's on Republican Jesus's side. You just gotta throw away that nasty outdated King James version of the Bible. You can order the new King Karl version of the Bible from Foxnews.com. Order now and get a 15% off Bill O'Reilly's new book!

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MALBADINLATIN

Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Marxism is a political practice or philosophy that is derived from Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels – two men who wouldn’t even be born before almost 1800 years after Jesus’ death. So there is no way for Jesus to have been a Marxist, since Marxism did not exist contemporary with Jesus’ life. It may be true that much or some of Marx’s beliefs were shared by Jesus, but it is not possible that any of Jesus’ beliefs were Marxists in any way.

What Jesus spoke of was charity, and much of what Marx believed he probably understood because these were ideas that were already well established in Christian culture. Charity is a key component of Christian theology. But that being said, both Jesus and Marx sought to describe what they saw as injustice in their society. In 17th century Europe, poverty and oppression unlike anything that exists in the US or UK today, was rampant across Europe. And efforts to elevate that oppression by the lower classes rising up and taking control were not new (Marx didn’t come up with that either), but those efforts failed because in the end, they always replaced that oppression with more oppression (which sadly is the case with Marxism as well.) Marx lived in a world that exercised a very European type of “liberty;” a liberty that was held only by those born into it. The concept that freedom was an unalienable right existed only as an ideal in 17th century Europe – there was no Declaration of Independence to canonize the concept. Marx described what he saw in terms of a European aristocracy. The capitalist then become the aristocrats, but Marx failed to predict a society in which capitalists can be lower class as well and therefore failed to see that capitalism is not a form of aristocracy – in essence Marx failed to predict the rise of the Middle Class. Ironically, although it may not have been what Marx believed, Marxists and the practice of Marxism has developed an implementation of the Marxist utopia via a dictatorship called socialism in which the government forcibly imposes the order of Marxism on the people.

Jesus lived in a society that was also aristocratic and even more oppressive, and Jesus’ response, in many ways, was even more extreme then Marx. Marx, after all, never suggested giving up one’s possessions and living in poverty, but Jesus did. In fact, I don’t know that Marx ever suggested that any one do anything, because Marx spoke in broad concepts of classes and economy. And therein lies the distinction, Jesus taught charity, Marx taught social structure. Jesus fought against the government and its oppression, Marxism seeks to unleash the oppression of the government.

The two are not the same; in fact they may polar opposites. . I’m not a Marxist, I don’t believe that a dictatorship (socialism) will lead to a free and classless society (communism). I believe the dictatorship (socialism) leads to more dictatorship, and history backs that up. If Marx were alive today, he wouldn’t be a Marxist, given how miserable Marxism has failed. But I do believe in charity, and I support my local charities and churches which provide charitable assistance – that’s a good thing, if you are a Christian, it is part of your religion, but even if you aren’t a Christian it’s a good practice that can only improve our society. So Jesus was right. Marx was wrong.

Holy crap! You guys were serious?...I thought everyone was just kind of joking around?? I gotta use more emoticons.

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AGENTROUKA

Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Jesus was a libertarian.

Was he really..? In what way?

I've always found it fascinating how certain things about Jesus' message (abdicating wealth, embracing sinners and outcasts, not judging, sharing, loving others) keep being forgotten by those groups who consider themselves most connected to him.

I know its a hard idea to live up to, so if they admitted that, I wouldn't mind some modern day Christians' preoccupation with money and the keeping of it, but they never do seem to voice their own failings in that regard.

KHYRON

Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:29 AM

LOL @ Finn for taking this thread seriously.

Anyway, for what it's worth, Jesus was neither a Marxist or a libertarian, but in fact a hippie born almost two millennia too early. That's completely irrelevant now, though. What's relevant now is what Jesus is, and that's just a mascot for the world's first multinational corporation, a nice little prop to lure in the weak-minded and give the whole thing a wholesome image - Jesus's message is part of the marketing, but it's not what the business is about.

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FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:27 AM

I ain't gonna laugh at him, for all that I tear him up one side and down the other, one thing I refrain from calling Finn is stupid, cause he ain't.

It just bothers the hell out of me that we both know history so well and yet take radically different and opposing lessons and stances based on it.

Oh, and FMF ?

Quote:
I have never understood how the "moral majority" could call themselves "christians" and yet they have so much hate for anyone not like them.

Have you like, ever actually READ that pornography of violence, hatred and maliciousness they use for a religious text ?

I mean, come on, a "merciful" diety sending bears to murder forty-two CHILDREN cause they called Isiah a dickhead?

Believe me, those folk are exemplary christians, which is why I despise them collectively and that whole belief with a rage bordering on rabidity.

Individually, I define them by their actions, but I really, really, really DO NOT like christians or christianity, it's sexist, hateful, perverted, violent, and in general malicious and petty.

It always struck me as passing strange when I found decent folk, and there's been quite a few, proffessing to believe a religion so nasty I consider it demon worship, and yet acted in a fashion I considered humane...

People are weird, really... they are.

-Frem

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KHYRON

Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I ain't gonna laugh at him, for all that I tear him up one side and down the other, one thing I refrain from calling Finn is stupid, cause he ain't.

Oh, I wasn't calling him stupid, because he isn't. Just a little bit gullible sometimes ... which is quite endearing, actually.

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:17 PM

Jesus never said give up all you have and live for the state. Nor did he say the state will provide to you what you need. He was talking about helping our your fellow man, and not having your life regulated by a central authority.

HUGE difference here.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Jesus never said give up all you have and live for the state.

Quite right- that was Bush.

isall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:54 PM

Why am I gullible for thinking a particular topic is interesting? I’m not stupid, I know that the only reason Signym posted this thread was to chastise people, she broadly labels as “Christian,” for critiquing Obama’s Left-wing economics. Signym believes Obama is a god and that it’s blasphemy to question him, I know that, but that doesn’t make the question of how Jesus’ message compares to Marx’s any less interesting to me.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:11 PM

Jesus was not a Marxist. Marx was a jesus-ist.
A lot of the book of Acts was communistic, and I have said often, that communist theory has a very Christian basis. Didn't work out in practice but that's not the issue, as it didn't succeed very well in either case.

RUE

Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:23 PM

"Have you like, ever actually READ that pornography of violence, hatred and maliciousness they use for a religious text ?"

That's one thing I find interesting. Jesus came with a new message as embodied in the NT: there are only two commandments - love god and love your neighbor as yourself. And yet, x-tians seem so obsessed with the OT - the punishment, retribution, the jealous god etc.

I heard something interesting on the radio, which is that there are two very different religions derived from Jesus: the religion of Jesus, which is his message about love and forgiveness, and which to that end seeks to break people's attachment to status and things; and the religion about Jesus which pretty much ignores the message and constantly harps on power, might, majesty, the birth and crucifixion, and ... the OT.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:28 PM

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A lot of the book of Acts was communistic, and I have said often, that communist theory has a very Christian basis.

Indeed. But whatever you think of communism, the one thing I find is gospel truth (so to speak) is that the message of Jesus and capitalism are completely antithetical. There is NO WAY to ram those two mesages together.

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RUE

Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:37 PM

Jesus was not a Marxist, but he also was not anti-Marxist. It was a completely different line of thought and the two just can't be made to meet - unless you bend them.

But I agree - there is NO WAY a capitalist can be a Christian.

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I ain't gonna laugh at him, for all that I tear him up one side and down the other, one thing I refrain from calling Finn is stupid, cause he ain't.

It just bothers the hell out of me that we both know history so well and yet take radically different and opposing lessons and stances based on it.

Oh, and FMF ?
Quote:
I have never understood how the "moral majority" could call themselves "christians" and yet they have so much hate for anyone not like them.

Have you like, ever actually READ that pornography of violence, hatred and maliciousness they use for a religious text ?

I mean, come on, a "merciful" diety sending bears to murder forty-two CHILDREN cause they called Isiah a dickhead?

Believe me, those folk are exemplary christians, which is why I despise them collectively and that whole belief with a rage bordering on rabidity.

Individually, I define them by their actions, but I really, really, really DO NOT like christians or christianity, it's sexist, hateful, perverted, violent, and in general malicious and petty.

It always struck me as passing strange when I found decent folk, and there's been quite a few, proffessing to believe a religion so nasty I consider it demon worship, and yet acted in a fashion I considered humane...

People are weird, really... they are.

-Frem

Useful Link, Your Mileage May Vary.
http://www.evilbible.com/]

Yes I have, many times, and I was talking about Christians not old Testament. Christs' teachings were love and charity and taking care of those in need.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:47 PM

Well there are Christians and then there are peeps who call themselves Xtians. Part of the marketing, as was said. I know this lady at the gym, a wonderful Xtian with a conservative bent. Kind of nutty IMHO but she tries really hard to live up to Jesus' message. She can't bring herself to vote for McCain and Palin... very disturbed by their campaign. Also can't bring herself to vote for Obama, so likely will not vote at all.

FWIW I think the church got on to the wrong path when they went for mortal power: popes, bishops, palaces etc. Typical consolidation of power, when one form (ethics) blends into another (money, military, land etc.) I thought that the message of Jesus was an internal one.

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Jesus never said give up all you have and live for the state.
Quite right- that was Bush.

isall

With all those tax cuts Bush allegedly gave the super duper rich???

How'd ya figure ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:12 PM

I always though Bush said: give up all you have and live for the corporation.

Ahhh - I see. The start of blue sun rule. What does that make YOU, Rap ?

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I always though Bush said: give up all you have and live for the corporation.

Ahhh - I see. The start of blue sun rule. What does that make YOU, Rap ?

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Then ya didn't hear what Bush was really saying, it seems.

I'm a gorram independent, and am not beholden to any corporation. Why do you ask ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:53 PM

"I'm a gorram independent" ... who happens to his his lips planted firmly on Bush's tush.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:57 PM

Like to get back to the incompatibility of capitalism and the message of Jesus.

Jesus said: give up your stuff, stop focusing on this world, love your neightbor as yourself.

Capitalism says: Greed is good, the person who dies with the most toys wins, screw your neighbor.

Are there any pro-capitalists out there who can show me where I'm wrong?

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"I'm a gorram independent" ... who happens to his his lips planted firmly on Bush's tush.

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Silence is consent.

Better my lips on Bush's bum than your lips tightly 'round Obama's junk.

See? You're not the only one who can play this game.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Like to get back to the incompatibility of capitalism and the message of Jesus.

Jesus said: give up your stuff, stop focusing on this world, love your neightbor as yourself.

Capitalism says: Greed is good, the person who dies with the most toys wins, screw your neighbor.

Are there any pro-capitalists out there who can show me where I'm wrong?
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One can be a capitalist and not give into the love of money. THAT is what Jesus was talking about, the love of things of this world over those of his Kingdom. Capitalism says nothing of those things you claim it does. When you're an owner of a company, you'll survive longer if you find the best deals for your customers and give them more than they expect.

I don't know, judging from past post , that there's anything anyone can say that'll change your mind, but distorting the attributes of capitalism isn't going to win you this debate.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:35 PM

Quote:
One can be a capitalist and not give into the love of money

Not possible. If you don't go for the highest profits possible you will be out-competed and eventually swallowed up by those who will. That's a central tennet of capitalism.

Besides, I fail to see how you can be thinking about "love your neighbor" and the kingdom of heaven if your mind is wrapped up around payroll taxes, hiring and firing, deliveries etc. I'm under the possibly mistaken impression that Jesus message wasn't meant to be a "part-time" hobby. When he said "Give up your things and follow me" and "Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" and "Behold the lillies of the field, they labor not nor do they sew" he meant it.

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KWICKO

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:41 PM

Quote:
Signym believes Obama is a god and that it’s blasphemy to question him, I know that...

Actually, I think you mean you THINK that, since there's no possible way you could KNOW that...

And besides, how would that be any different from your belief in Bush's godhood? For years now, we've had to listen to you and your ilk denounce any criticism of Bush and his policies as "anti-American" - how is that not worshipping at the feet of Bush and calling all who don't "blasphemers"?

Mike

AGENTROUKA

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

One can be a capitalist and not give into the love of money. THAT is what Jesus was talking about, the love of things of this world over those of his Kingdom. Capitalism says nothing of those things you claim it does. When you're an owner of a company, you'll survive longer if you find the best deals for your customers and give them more than they expect.

But a capitalism based on the idea of NOT accumulating wealth doesn't really seem like... the real thing, does it? Jesus is pretty negative on wealth.

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:44 PM

I find it strange that the one right-winger who claims not to be religious is the one trying to reconcile religion with capitalism!

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SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:48 PM

Quote:
Signym believes Obama is a god

Oh, no. I believe that Obama is Jesus come again, don'tcha know!

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
One can be a capitalist and not give into the love of money
Not possible. If you don't go for the highest profits possible you will be out-competed and eventually swallowed up by those who will. That's a central tennet of capitalism.

Besides, I fail to see how you can be thinking about "love your neighbor" and the kingdom of heaven if your mind is wrapped up around payroll taxes, hiring and firing, deliveries etc. I'm under the possibly mistaken impression that Jesus message wasn't meant to be a "part-time" hobby. When he said "Give up your things and follow me" and "Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" and "Behold the lillies of the field, they labor not nor do they sew" he meant it.

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Sorry, extremely possible. By taking a Libertarian's view, that is. Do what ever you want/ can do , just so far as it does not hurt or hinder anyone else or their rights and freedoms through undue ( illegal ) force or fraud. You may honestly run someone else out of business, if they screw up and aren't as diligent . Capitalism brings out the best in folks, makes them become more innovative , or get the heck out of the game and try something else.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I find it strange that the one right-winger who claims not to be religious is the one trying to reconcile religion with capitalism!

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I'm just trying to show the error of your ways. Just because I understand the word of the all mighty and fluffy god, doesn't mean I have to believe in him.

Besides, one must first HAVE wealth in order to discard it, no ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

One can be a capitalist and not give into the love of money. THAT is what Jesus was talking about, the love of things of this world over those of his Kingdom. Capitalism says nothing of those things you claim it does. When you're an owner of a company, you'll survive longer if you find the best deals for your customers and give them more than they expect.

But a capitalism based on the idea of NOT accumulating wealth doesn't really seem like... the real thing, does it? Jesus is pretty negative on wealth.

One may acquire wealth, there's nothing in the bible against that, it's just when the obtaining of said wealth supersedes the love of God does one lose their way. Or some such nonsense.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:54 PM

Quote:
Capitalism brings out the best in folks

Yes, we can see how well that's working.

In any case, I didn't exactly hear Jesus say Run an honest business and you'll create a better world. That's not HIS message, that's yours. And yours and his are not the same.

But that's OK. You can be excused bc you never claimed to be religious. Unlike some folks...

Finn?

Geezer?

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm a gorram independent, and am not beholden to any corporation.

BWAHAHAHAHAH- AU, sometimes you is almost as funny as Hero...LOL!!! I'm peein in my pants here, you poor deluded cog...LOL!!!

Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Capitalism brings out the best in folks
Yes, we can see how well that's working.

In any case, I didn't exactly hear Jesus say Run an honest business and you'll create a better world. That's not HIS message, that's yours. And yours and his are not the same.

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Damn skippy. I'm not the one preaching a ever lasting day pass in Valhalla, now am I ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm a gorram independent, and am not beholden to any corporation.
BWAHAHAHAHAH- AU, sometimes you is almost as funny as Hero...LOL!!! I'm peein in my pants here, you poor deluded cog...LOL!!!

Chrisisall

Oh, I guess I should have added WITH THE EXCEPTION TO GUINNESS AND BASS Brewing companies, and possibly XBOX , I'm beholden to no corporations.

Happier now ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Oh, I guess I should have added WITH THE EXCEPTION TO GUINNESS AND BASS Brewing companies, and possibly XBOX , I'm beholden to no corporations.

Happier now ?

It's a start...

See, cause I'm beholdin' to Blackwater, cause that's where a LOT of my tax dollars went- you know, the well paid branch of the United States military?
And Exxon, Mobil, etc.

Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:09 PM

Quote:
Damn skippy. I'm not the one preaching a ever lasting day pass in Valhalla, now am I ?

Yeah, like I said!

Quote:
But that's OK. You can be excused bc you never claimed to be religious. Unlike some folks...

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AGENTROUKA

Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

One may acquire wealth, there's nothing in the bible against that, it's just when the obtaining of said wealth supersedes the love of God does one lose their way. Or some such nonsense.

So that line about a rich men having less of a chance to get into paradise than a camel going through a needle's eye is really only about those who are filthy rich but don't spend all day thinking about God?

I find that questionable.

I buy that the Old Testament says nothing against the accumulation of wealth, but I think there are a lot of discrepancies between the NT and the OT, with regards to message.

(The OT, btw, becomes somewhat less creepy when you don't read it with the assumption of... everything in it being right. Read as stories about people, with the right to question their choices, it becomes.. better. Not fully un-creepified, though. But some Christians focusing more on it than on the NT I do not really understand, all that judgment. And so selectively, too. Gay = bad. Certain foods and working on the sabbath = yay?)

RUE

Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:24 PM

"Better my lips on Bush's bum than your lips tightly 'round Obama's junk.
See? You're not the only one who can play this game."

Ehh, your lips have been on that tush from day one.

And fortunately, I've never been an Obama supporter, just anti-McCain. Which makes your notion moot. But then why should that notion be different from all your other notions.

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FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:58 PM

Quote:
I'm not the one preaching a ever lasting day pass in Valhalla, now am I ?

Nope, but I've beat that drum on occasion, given that it's prolly where I'll wind up despite bein not quite on that belief path.

I find it amusing that a lot of really racist norse-pantheon folk wanna go there, when the only entry requirement is courage, and it's not like white people have a lock on being stupidly brave.

Be funny as hell to watch them get mowed down by the Curtiss Bay Posse in the afterlife, tho.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

ERIC

Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:09 PM

Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

http://wonkette.com/403920/jesus-people-pray-that-false-idol-will-save
-gods-economy

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Jesus People Pray That False Idol Will Save God’s Economy

Did you know that some Christian dingbat has dubbed today the “Day of Prayer for the World’s Economies?” Well here they are, at the Wall Street bull statue thing, praying to Jesus for money. The dingbat has explained, “We are going to intercede at the site of the statue of the bull on Wall Street to ask God to begin a shift from the bull and bear markets to what we feel will be the ‘Lion’s Market,’ or God’s control over the economic systems.” Don’t they know that God taking over the economic systems would be SOCIALISM from SPACE? Also: God will be very mad that they are worshiping a bronze idol here, since his second commandment PROHIBITS THAT, duh? Thanky you Wonkette operative “Dan the Man” for the sexy photo.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:38 PM

And these are the kinda folk that think them and their petty idols should be in charge of this country.

Chew on that idea a while, if you would.

-F

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"Better my lips on Bush's bum than your lips tightly 'round Obama's junk.
See? You're not the only one who can play this game."

Ehh, your lips have been on that tush from day one.

.

Oh, so wrong, Obamabreath. As previously mentioned , I voted Libertarian in '00, so claims that I've been " on " W are greatly exaggerated.

And while I'm at it, I also totally opposed Bush on keeping Rumsfeld for as long as he did, am still livid over his " comprehensive " illegal alien plan, think he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court nominee, yeah, I've got a list of things I'm not keen on W over, so spare me the " lips on the tushie " nonsense.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:45 PM

Wow. Worshipping a Golden Calf, are they?

Do they live in a irony-free zone???

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SIGNYM

Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:46 PM

Quote:
[Ithink he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court

Kinda like McCain and Palin?

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
[Ithink he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court
Kinda like McCain and Palin?

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Huh? I'm afraid you lost me w/ that one.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Friday, October 31, 2008 12:10 AM

"And while I'm at it, I also totally opposed Bush on keeping Rumsfeld for as long as he did, am still livid over his " comprehensive " illegal alien plan, think he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court nominee ..."

And yet, somehow, despite your claims NOW, you never posted any of this over all that time. Very odd.

But all the OTHER stuff - torture, illegal spying on citizens, lack of habeas corpus, sinking the US into deep, deep debt, Iraq - you defended over and over and over ....

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, October 31, 2008 12:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"I'm a gorram independent" ... who happens to his his lips planted firmly on Bush's tush.

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Silence is consent.

Better my lips on Bush's bum than your lips tightly 'round Obama's junk.

See? You're not the only one who can play this game.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

hmm not really sure that is better Rap

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, October 31, 2008 12:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

One can be a capitalist and not give into the love of money. THAT is what Jesus was talking about, the love of things of this world over those of his Kingdom. Capitalism says nothing of those things you claim it does. When you're an owner of a company, you'll survive longer if you find the best deals for your customers and give them more than they expect.

But a capitalism based on the idea of NOT accumulating wealth doesn't really seem like... the real thing, does it? Jesus is pretty negative on wealth.

I am not entirely sure that one automatically negates the other.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Trolls Against McCain

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

AURAPTOR

Friday, October 31, 2008 12:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"And while I'm at it, I also totally opposed Bush on keeping Rumsfeld for as long as he did, am still livid over his " comprehensive " illegal alien plan, think he was brick in the head drunk when he thought Harriet Myers would make a good Supreme Court nominee ..."

And yet, somehow, despite your claims NOW, you never posted any of this over all that time. Very odd.

There was plenty of post w/ regards to those things, you just don't want to acknowledg them. Seems like a you problem.

Quote:

But all the OTHER stuff - torture, illegal spying on citizens, lack of habeas corpus, sinking the US into deep, deep debt, Iraq - you defended over and over and over ....

.

Torture non uniformed terrorist who behead innocent men , women and children? If need be, hell yeah I'm for that. Illegal spying on citizens ? Sounds like the Democrats dept. , not the GOP. Both parties are guilty to this debt, and the Dems are more involved in the latest crisis , and Iraq ? Funny, I remember a host of Dems who were all talk and bluster over how evil and bad Saddam was, but when it came time to DO something.....Yeah, I was and still am for taking down Saddam. Job well done, btw.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Friday, October 31, 2008 1:01 AM

Rap,

How can you ever hope to get through life when you can't even remember your own words ?

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Silence is consent.

AURAPTOR

Friday, October 31, 2008 1:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Rap,

How can you ever hope to get through life when you can't even remember your own words ?

Well you sure as hell don't remember them, so what do I have to worry about ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Friday, October 31, 2008 2:33 AM

Well, I took some time and checked. Not a PEEP about Myers or Rumsfeld, and only one oblique post approaching the illegal alien topic.

I did notice that many years ago, while you were just as delusional, you were at least semi-coherent. But that seemed to fall apart by the end of 2004. And now it seems like you just can't make sense at all sentence to sentence and post to post. You contradict yourself, go in circles, make outrageous statements that have NO basis in reality. What did you do to yourself ?

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Silence is consent.

KIRKULES

Friday, October 31, 2008 5:14 AM

AGENTROUKA

Friday, October 31, 2008 6:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

But a capitalism based on the idea of NOT accumulating wealth doesn't really seem like... the real thing, does it? Jesus is pretty negative on wealth.

I am not entirely sure that one automatically negates the other.

So how do you see it working?

I mean, I see how a small, struggling family business would fit into the picture, because they happen to make too little to really get by, but the key here owuld be something that is out of their hands to begin with: the struggling.

But if they are not struggling, if they're raking it in, or at least making good profits.. would they, in order to avoid those profits lower their prices? Immediately give away the money to their neighbors? Help other struggling businesses? To keep or reeinvest the money would be wealth. Either you're the only one doing it, and your business is not going to go well or everyone does it that way... and why call it capitalism, then, when it's not about capital?

That'd be an interesting, "irrational" kind of capitalism, which removes the benefits of the concept (incentive for innovation, for one) and is really rather more like a less efficient socialism.

If you have a better example to covince me, I'd be happy, though, because obviously there are many Christian business owners in the world who are not hypocrits. And obviously Jesus has a message you cannot live up to 100% of the time. But I can't help but draw the line at being fairly profitable.

(And lastly, I have quite a lot less investment in this argument than the hypocrisy of some Christians really NOT loving their gay/lesbian/different-looking/angry/dirt-poor neighbor.)

AURAPTOR

Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Well, I took some time and checked. Not a PEEP about Myers or Rumsfeld, and only one oblique post approaching the illegal alien topic.

I did notice that many years ago, while you were just as delusional, you were at least semi-coherent. But that seemed to fall apart by the end of 2004. And now it seems like you just can't make sense at all sentence to sentence and post to post. You contradict yourself, go in circles, make outrageous statements that have NO basis in reality. What did you do to yourself ?

f

Well, you missed it then, because I made many comments about Myers, Rummy and ESPECIALLY the illegal alien issue. That's a major hot button w/ me concerning W ( and McCain )

No where do I contradict myself, go in circles or make any hint of outrageous claims. You're just being a git.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Friday, October 31, 2008 1:53 PM

Quote:
because obviously there are many Christian business owners in the world who are not hypocrits.

They are. They just don't recognize it because (1) Their religion has little to do with Christ and much to do with the OT or (2) Like most peeps, they manage to function in completely contradictory ways depending on context. Ie they're intellectually schizo.

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SIGNYM

Friday, October 31, 2008 1:56 PM

Quote:
Huh? I'm afraid you lost me w/ that one.

I'm assuming that you thought Bush was an idiot for proposing Harriet Meyers because she was unqualified? Think about it....

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AURAPTOR

Friday, October 31, 2008 11:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Huh? I'm afraid you lost me w/ that one.
I'm assuming that you thought Bush was an idiot for proposing Harriet Meyers because she was unqualified? Think about it....

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But Palin is more qualified as VP candidate to be President than Obama , as Prez candidate is to be even VP candidate.

Think about it.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Friday, October 31, 2008 11:42 PM

"No where do I contradict myself, go in circles or make any hint of outrageous claims. You're just being a git."

Yeah, you're so sure of your words -- just like you NEVER said the economy was on FIRE ! and ROARING !

Prove me wrong. Oh that's right, you never have facts to back up your claims. That's why most people have written off anything you write as being nonsense - at best.

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And somehow, strangely, yet again you're wrong.

AURAPTOR

Friday, October 31, 2008 11:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"No where do I contradict myself, go in circles or make any hint of outrageous claims. You're just being a git."

Yeah, you're so sure of your words -- just like you NEVER said the economy was on FIRE ! and ROARING !

Prove me wrong. Oh that's right, you never have facts to back up your claims. That's why most people have written off anything you write as being nonsense - at best.

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And strangely, yet again, you're wrong.

Over 4 1/ 2 yrs of a strong economy , DUMBFUCK. Economies go in cycles, and all you idiots did was wait a couple of yrs for things to change for you to whip out the " YOU'RE WRONG, THE ECONOMY ISN'T ON FIRE ANY MORE ! ".

Kindly go fuck yourselves.

( and no, I'm not wrong. But keep tryin'! )

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Saturday, November 1, 2008 12:00 AM

OOoohhhhhh. I hit a nerve !
:claps hand with glee:

Those book titles?

How to Take a Strong Economy and Turn It Around
George W Bush

Eliminate Your Debts by Keeping Them Out of Your Budget!
George W Bush

Foreign Loans Sharks are Paper Tigers
George W Bush

You Too Can Run on Air Like in the Cartoons I Watch on Saturday
George W Bush

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, November 1, 2008 12:09 AM

keep living your little dream.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

XRAFTERMANX

Saturday, November 1, 2008 12:38 AM

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
Lao Tzu

"God helps those who help themselves."
Ben Franklin

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
Luke 6:27-31 Matthew 7:9-12

The Golden Rule is the underlying rule to all of our Laws here in the USA. Yet, we all have a different view as to how to enforce the Golden Rule, and as you have done here, you believe that Jesus is on your side and only your side. The Nazi's thought Jesus was on their side too.

Be an asset not a burden to society. Give charity but do not take charity.

"Live Free or Die."
General John Stark

I can see the Blue Sun rising.

"You gotta job, we can do it, don't much care what it is." ~Detroit Browncoats~

RUE

Saturday, November 1, 2008 12:41 AM

Rap

Doesn't matter what you say ... you're still wrong.

Wrong about the ROARING ! ON FIRE ! economy - and wrong that you never made those claims, wrong about WMD, wrong about torture just being 'hazing' by a few 'bad apples' (but worth doing anyway, even though nobody did, but if they did it was only a few bad apples), wrong about government spying on citizens, wrong about the economic collapse being only a down-cycle and wrong about Democrats being the cause of it, wrong about 95% of 'them' (not 'us') not paying income taxes ... wrong about everything that you've claimed.

How does that feel - btw - to be so wrong about so many things ?

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Silence is consent.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, November 1, 2008 2:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Rap

Doesn't matter what you say ... you're still wrong.

Wrong about the ROARING ! ON FIRE ! economy - and wrong that you never made those claims, wrong about WMD, wrong about torture just being 'hazing' by a few 'bad apples' (but worth doing anyway, even though nobody did, but if they did it was only a few bad apples), wrong about government spying on citizens, wrong about the economic collapse being only a down-cycle and wrong about Democrats being the cause of it, wrong about 95% of 'them' (not 'us') not paying income taxes ... wrong about everything that you've claimed.

How does that feel - btw - to be so wrong about so many things ?

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Nope, not wrong. Dems were the cause ( Frank's ties to Fannie Mae and one of it's former execs ) , 40% of working American's do NOT pay income taxes, ... I'm right about every thing I've claimed.

YOU JUST SIMPLY CAN'T STAND IT.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "