The Fix Is In For McCain

POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 19:33
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SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:12 PM

McCain says pundits being fooled, promises victory The only reason to sound so certain is because someone whispered in McCain's ear that the machines have been rigged and votes suppressed.

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WHOZIT

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:23 PM

If Barry wins, are the machines rigged? Why is it when Democrats win no one yells RIGGED!?

KELKHIL

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:31 PM

C'mon now lets not be like that! You don't practice and practice just to show up on game day sayin' you're gonna loose! What would be the point?

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Originally posted by whozit:
If Barry wins, are the machines rigged? Why is it when Democrats win no one yells RIGGED!?

Well that is because to be a Dem you have to be honorable, trustworthy and noble. Uncorrupt-able so to speak. Pure could be used as well. (I have heard there are some that are so good that their farts don't stink either) [/sarcasm]

Sorry, couldn't resist. I still think that something is wrong; seriously wrong with someone who would want that job.

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

Member of the Coalition for HK - Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.

WHOZIT

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil:
C'mon now lets not be like that! You don't practice and practice just to show up on game day sayin' you're gonna loose! What would be the point?

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
If Barry wins, are the machines rigged? Why is it when Democrats win no one yells RIGGED!?

Well that is because to be a Dem you have to be honorable, trustworthy and noble. Uncorrupt-able so to speak. Pure could be used as well. (I have heard there are some that are so good that their farts don't stink either) [/sarcasm]

Sorry, couldn't resist. I still think that something is wrong; seriously wrong with someone who would want that job.

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

Member of the Coalition for HK - Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.

You forgot "DEAD", alot of dead people vote Democrat.

I going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

STORYMARK

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:51 PM

As I've said before... You righties act like a few fraudulent voters on the Dem is such a huge damned deal - but when the Republicans purge people from the voter list by the thousands.... nary a peep is heard.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:00 PM

The Purges Have Begun

Republicans are purging hundreds of thousands off the voter rolls this year
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=35469

Massive Republican 2004 e-Vote fraud on trial in Ohio
http://fireflyfan.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=35077

E-Security Expert Steven Spoonamore testifies against pro-life Connell as the perp.

www.velvetrevolution.us/
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WHOZIT

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:02 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
As I've said before... You righties act like a few fraudulent voters on the Dem is such a huge damned deal - but when the Republicans purge people from the voter list by the thousands.... nary a peep is heard.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Rite now, ACORN is in grave yards all over the country looking for new Obama voters.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

RUE

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:12 PM

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Silence is consent.

RUE

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:12 PM

STORYMARK

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Rite now, ACORN is in grave yards all over the country looking for new Obama voters.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

All this bullshit over ACORN, when the numbers of fraudulent voters is miniscule, especially in relation to the purging the GOP is doing - and most of the fraudulent registrations were caught, stopped and reported BY ACORN.

And you still havn't said anything about the voter purging.

So, thanks for making it clear - you have no problem with cheating, as long as it's your team doing the cheating.

Not that that comes as a surprise...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

WHOZIT

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Rite now, ACORN is in grave yards all over the country looking for new Obama voters.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

All this bullshit over ACORN, when the numbers of fraudulent voters is miniscule, especially in relation to the purging the GOP is doing - and most of the fraudulent registrations were caught, stopped and reported BY ACORN.

And you still havn't said anything about the voter purging.

So, thanks for making it clear - you have no problem with cheating, as long as it's your team doing the cheating.

Not that that comes as a surprise...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Purging? Is that what the Democrats did when they had Military absente ballots thrown out in Florida 2000?

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

STORYMARK

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:25 PM

The only had the ones that could not be verified as having been mailed on time cast out - which is standard procedure, and is supposed to be done in every election.

So, no, that's not the same thing.

And you still sidestep the point, with obfuscation and half-truths.

Hipocritical douchebag.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:27 PM

Not purging- invalidating. In some cases it was a reasonable invalidation. In other cases, criteria were used that were not part of a normal process, and that wasn't right either. However, Republicans are more aggressive about using fraud to steal elections. And so far in this election cycle, the Dems have not got their hands on those e-levers, nor on the voter rolls.

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WHOZIT

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
The only had the ones that could not be verified as having been mailed on time cast out - which is standard procedure, and is supposed to be done in every election.

So, no, that's not the same thing.

And you still sidestep the point, with obfuscation and half-truths.

Hipocritical douchebag.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

That's "Mr Douchbag" please.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

STORYMARK

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
That's "Mr Douchbag" please.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

No problem. From now on, I shall refer to you only as Mr. Douchebag (and I'll even spell it correctly).

I encourage others to do the same.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

HERO

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
The only reason to sound so certain is because someone whispered in McCain's ear that the machines have been rigged and votes suppressed.

Or...somebody noticed the pundits being fooled.

Its like the CBS poll giving Obama a 16pt lead. That would be 66-34...and there is NO way McCain gets out at less then 42%, thats an eight point error at least.

My take is 49-45 Obama right now. Thats close enough to eek out a win if he hits the right numbers in the right places.

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KHYRON

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Its like the CBS poll giving Obama a 16pt lead. That would be 66-34...

Huh? No, a 16-point lead is a 16-point lead, not a 32-point lead.

Don't know which one you're citing anyway, the latest CBS poll, afaik, has Obama +13, the one before was +14.

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McCain/Palin: The first presidential ticket that features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

KWICKO

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:36 PM

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Its like the CBS poll giving Obama a 16pt lead. That would be 66-34...and there is NO way McCain gets out at less then 42%, thats an eight point error at least.

I guess they don't teach math to lawyers, eh? That would explain billing 15 minutes as an hour, I s'pose...

Might wanna recheck your numbers there. Try using your toes if you run out of fingers.

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:01 PM

From CREDO

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This year, there are over 600,000 newly registered Ohio voters, but President Bush has asked Attorney General Mukasey to investigate as many as 200,000 of them. Why? Because Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner has refused to use an "exact match" standard before adding these voters to the rolls.

What is this "exact match" standard? Basically, it works like this: After you fill out your voter registration card, a local or state employee has to type in your information to add you to the voter rolls, and check to see that you really exist, usually by verifying your driver's license number or Social Security number. And as you can imagine, sometimes there are typos or other disparities when the information gets entered and matched - for example, if your last name is "De la Rosa" and it got entered as "Delarosa", you would fail to meet the exact match standard, and your registration form would be invalid. Secretary Brunner has refused to use this standard on the grounds that it would erroneously deprive tens or even hundreds of thousands of Ohioans of their right to vote. The Ohio GOP sued her a month ago to try and get the courts to compel her to use the exact match standard, but the Supreme Court ruled that they had no standing to make that case.Now, President Bush is trying to run around the Supreme Court by getting the Department of Justice to intervene. On Friday, October 24th, Bush reportedly asked Attorney General Mukasey to investigate whether as many as 200,000 voters need to reconfirm their registrations before November 4th

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RUE

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:05 PM

Yeah.

Repubicans LIKE democracy (not).

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:11 PM

Just wanted to add that it's easier to typo than you think. Florida found a 25% non-exact match due to typos and administrative errors. Heck, the IRS w/held our refund because they couldn't verify a dependent's Social Security.... which has been the SAME NUMBER we've been using for 18 years!

So add to that

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College senior Kyla Berry was looking forward to voting in her first presidential election, even carrying her voter registration card in her wallet. But about two weeks ago, Berry got disturbing news from local election officials. "This office has received notification from the state of Georgia indicating that you are not a citizen of the United States and therefore, not eligible to vote," a letter from the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections said. But Berry is a U.S. citizen, born in Boston, Massachusetts. She has a passport and a birth certificate to prove it. The letter, which was dated October 2, gave her a week from the time it was dated to prove her citizenship. There was a problem, though -- the letter was postmarked October 9....Berry is one of more than 50,000 registered Georgia voters who have been "flagged" because of a computer mismatch in their personal identification information

Lawsuit alleges voters in Colorado illegally purged from rolls
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A lawsuit was filed late last week against Mike Coffman, Colorado’s Republican Secretary of State alleging that thousands of voters were purged from the battleground state’s rolls in violation of federal law.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/27/lawsuit-alleges-voters
-in-colorado-illegally-purged-from-rolls/

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The Brennan Center for Justice has documented incidents of voter suppression in Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado, Georgia, Mississippi, Montana, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Texas, North Carolina, and California. These include illegal purges of voters as reported also by the New York Times and CNN, rejection of new voter registrations, and deceptive or intimidating information given to voters in the hope of stopping them from voting. The New York Times also names Indiana and Nevada among swing states in which illegal or improper voter purges are taking place, often due to minor errors or mismatches which should not prevent eligible citizens from voting, and including improper use of Social Security data to purge voters. CNN likewise reports eligible US citizens being purged from voting rolls on the basis of errors and technicalities, often so close to Election Day that it is impossible for them to be reinstated, and in spite of federal laws prohibiting such purges within 90 days of Election Day. Republicans are aggressively pursuing methods such as these for disenfranchising likely Democratic voters across the United States, including lawsuits and appeals for partisan intervention by George W. Bush's Justice Department.

www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=10411

UGLY, VICIOUS, AND SHAMEFUL.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:27 PM

Complete list here:

www.alternet.org/election08/104413/brennan_center:_2008's_voter_suppre
ssion_incidents_so_far/

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RUE

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:21 PM

Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK
The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
by Peter Tatchell

As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ES&S iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas.

A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. (unable to link video)

This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner.

Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here.

Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences http://www.newstatesman.com/200411290018 between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent.

Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush.

The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software.

Meacher http://www.newstatesman.com/200411290018 reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll.

Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-1.pdf, state that "by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes".

This is entirely possible, according to Clinton Curtis, a Florida computer programmer. ( ) has confirmed that in 2000 he designed an undetectable programme for Republican congressman Tom Feeney. It was created to rig elections by covertly switching votes from one candidate to another to ensure a predetermined ballot outcome. See a video of his sworn testimony here. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/26/112912/81/554/642200

As Robert F Kennedy Jr, nephew of JFK, has exposed http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_j
r__will_the_next_election_be_hacked/1, the US is one of the few democracies that allow p

RUE

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:54 PM

Editor's note: The Brennan Center will be updating and re-posting this document regularly between now and Election Day. This inventory is current as of October 22, 2008)

NO MATCH, NO VOTE

ISSUE: Some states will not register voters or will purge them from the voter rolls if election officials cannot match their voter registration information against information in other government databases. The problem is the computer match processes states use are inherently unreliable. Between 15% and 30% of all match attempts fail because of typos, other administrative errors, and minor discrepancies between database records, such as a maiden name in one record and a married name in another or a hyphen in one record and not another. No match, no vote policies can block hundreds of thousands of voters through no fault of their own. More information on no match, no vote policies is available here. This year, no match, no vote efforts across the country, if successful, could have a significant impact on the election, affecting tens of thousands of new voters.

Ohio

On September 26, 2008, the Ohio Republican Party asked a federal court to issue an emergency ruling requiring the state to generate a list of more than 200,000 new voters whose information did not match other state records, presumably so those voters could be purged from the rolls right before the election, forced to vote provisional ballots, or challenged at the polls. They asked the court before the absentee ballots cast by new registrants were opened and counted. A federal court granted the temporary restraining order, and after a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit stayed that order, the full appeals court, sitting en banc, reinstated it. On emergency review, the U.S. Supreme Court vacated the TRO on October 17, 2008, preventing chaos in the election in Ohio and protecting hundreds of thousands of Ohio citizens from disenfranchisement-by-typo. That same day, the Ohio Republican Party filed a virtually identical suit with the Ohio Supreme Court, seeking essentially the same relief they lost in the federal courts. They also seek to prevent the counting of absentee ballots cast by unmatched voters unless or until the mismatches are cleared. The Republican fundraising consultant who brought the lawsuit has voluntarily dismissed his case. Ohio Republican Party Chairman Robert T. Bennett said he asked the plaintiff David Myhal to drop the case and plans to meet on October 22, 2008 with Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, representing Secretary Brunner, to discuss an out-of-court solution to the dispute. Regardless of the outcome, non-matching voters may still face challenges on Election Day by partisan election workers. Further details can be found here.

Florida

On September 8, 2008, the Florida Secretary of State instructed election officials to reject voter registration applications that do not pass an error-prone computer match process. In the first three weeks of the policy, 15% of registrations were initially bounced because of failed computer matches; election officials were able to catch and correct obvious typos in about 3/4 of these cases, but to date, here.

Wisconsin

After the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board (the state's election board) rejected a proposal in July to retroactively implement a no "match, no vote" policy for all voters who registered since 2006, on September 10, the Attorney General sued the board seeking to force such a policy (RETROACTIVE no match, no vote) right before the election. The Board conducted an audit of its voter rolls and found a 22% match failure rate, including for 4 of the 6 members of the board. The court ruled on Thursday, October 23, 2008 that the attorney general had no authority to sue, however Van Hollen said he would appeal. More information can be found here.

Other states

No match, no vote policies are in place also in Louisiana, Iowa, and South Dakota pursuant to policies adopted well before the 2008 elec

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:03 PM

If I were President I'd REQUIRE that counties employ systems that are tamper-proof and verifiable by third parties (not Secretaries of State who either have no expertise or have a vested partisan interest).

This should have you all spitting mad. If not, then you're willing to accept the greatest threat to democracy. (And no, it's not <1% registration fraud)

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:17 PM

Steal Back Your Vote
http://www.stealbackyourvote.org/

HERO

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:44 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Huh? No, a 16-point lead is a 16-point lead, not a 32-point lead.

Hmm...(shakes calculator...sighs...throws calculator against the wall...consults abacus)...well then I guess 58-42 makes sense.

Today's Gallup says 49-46...only need three fingers to count that one.

H

RUE

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:59 PM

Depends which Gallup you look at. The other Gallup has Obama up by 7. I guess that's what happens when you depend on Drudge for 'news'. You only get a sliver of the story.

http://www.pollingreport.com/

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RUE

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:19 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/us/politics/29anxiety.html?_r=1&hp&o
ref=slogin

Wounds have not healed here in Duval County since the mangled presidential election of 2000, when more than 26,000 ballots were discarded as invalid for being improperly punched. Nearly 40 percent of the votes were thrown out in the predominantly Democratic-leaning African-American communities around Jacksonville, a reality that has caused suspicions of racial bias to linger, even though intentional disenfranchisement was never proved

“They’re going to throw out votes,” said Larone Wesley, a 53-year-old black Vietnam veteran. “I can’t say exactly how, but they are going to accomplish that quite naturally. I’m so afraid for my friend Obama. I look at this through the eyes of the ’60s, and I feel there ain’t no way they’re going to let him make it.”

Mr. Wesley refuses to vote early. “I don’t believe the machines work properly in general,” he said, “and they really don’t work properly when they think you’re voting for Obama.”

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WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:24 PM

Seriously, Rue, why do we care?

RIGHTEOUS9

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 PM

Why don't you care, Wulf?

RUE

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:31 PM

"Seriously, Rue, why do we care?"

I can't speak for you or anyone else.

I'd like to think that in a wealthy and technological supposed democracy we could get more than 70% of all eligible people registered, get more than 50% turnout, and accurately count all of the votes.

Do you disagree with that ?

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:33 PM

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Seriously, Rue, why do we care?

Seriously, Wulf, why do you hate America so much?

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