The most honset article I've seen about Obama
POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Sunday, November 2, 2008 13:52
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From columnist Tracy Lorenz:
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Well, Colin Powell came out and gave his endorsement for president. I guess I better give mine.
I figure both endorsements will have the same amount of influence on the voting public. I don't believe there's a person in this country who hasn't decided who they're voting for yet, but who cares, I only get to do this every four years.
There's an old saying in sports that the back-up quarterback is always the most popular guy in town. "If only the coach would put Johnson in we could win this game!" So the coach eventually puts Johnson in and two plays later you realize why he was the backup and not the starter. That's how I see Barack Obama; he's never done anything but hold a clipboard and vote "present" and yet, for some reason, half this country thinks he has the skill set to lead us to victory.
Here is the entire list of reasons Barack Obama was made the Democratic nominee: He speaks well and he's half African-American. That's it, that's his resume. He's like picking Greg Brady to play Johnny Bravo; he fit the suit.
The Democrats are smart. They know that poor people loooove getting free stuff and they love it even more if they can get it from rich people. So they trot Obama out there, sleeves strategically rolled up and he starts talking about the "redistribution of wealth" and all the liberals sit up in the nest and crane their necks like baby birds, waiting for mom to feed them.
Here's a problem I have with Obama: at the end of the second debate he told how his family was on welfare when he was younger but he made it through Harvard. Well, guess where all that money came from? Rich people! Corporations put money into the welfare system, working people put money into the welfare system and you don't pay for a Harvard education without getting some pretty serious financial help from scholarships and endowments. And who funded those Harvard scholarships? RICH PEOPLE! And now his whole campaign is based on taking from the rich and giving to the poor. What a backstabbing ingrate.
As an American, I don't see how I can vote for the guy. I'm not a fan of entitlement, I'm against social engineering, and I'm pretty sure, like the Clintons before him, Obama's only in it for the money.
Robin Hood was a hero, but he was still a crook.
Not that the Republicans are any better. As someone on my Mlive page wrote, "I can't believe they nominated the one guy who couldn't beat Obama." And it's true. Out of all the choices the Republicans had, they picked an old, rich, white guy with bad teeth and, I'm quite sure, a couple squirrels running around inside his head from his time in a Vietnamese prison camp.
On top of that he must've had Matt Millen make his VP selection for him. Although I must say Ms. Palin is winning me over, if I had to pick one of the four to run the country I'd probably go with her.
Oh, yeah, that's another thing that bothers me about Obama, when he says Palin doesn't have enough foreign policy experience to run the free world. I'm sure she has as much or more experience than he does. To which one would naturally reply "But Obama has Biden for a vice president!" Obviously, they're forgetting that if McCain dies and Palin takes over she gets to pick her new vice president. She could even pick Joe Biden if she wanted. (A friend of mine suggested she pick Tina Fey, which would rule.)
So, there's my dilemma: I can't vote for a Democrat because they're just mean, hateful, vengeful, con artists ("Poor people have been voting for Democrats for 50 years but they're still poor." Charles Barkley).
I don't want to vote for a Republican because they aren't even smart enough to nominate a guy who can beat a guy who has no business running in the first place.
But when it comes right down to it, I'm an American and I love this country. I believe in the premises this country was founded on and I honor the flag under which it stands. I believe if Obama is elected, he will seriously threaten those tenets. I don
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Very true. Palin has been demonized from the start by everyone, and everything. Very unfair, and nasty.
One thing I can say is at least she is grounded in reality, and down to earth. Obama as a person is an elitist. He is above "normal" folk. He has said anything, and everything to make us like him, but my friends it is a ploy. People have been tip toeing around all his faults. He is human, and he does have them. So why has the news and media praised everything he does?
Vote for him if you want, but when he wins, and starts to disappoint,.....ask yourself what you were thinking.
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It's an opinion piece, so I'm not sure what you mean by "honest". Do you think all the millions of other opinion pieces on Obama were being dishonest, or at least not completely forthright? Or did you just mean that out of all the Obama articles you've read, this is the one you most agree with? In that case, look up "honest" in the dictionary.
As to the article itself:
Quote:Here's a problem I have with this article: Because of redistribution of wealth, somebody with the intelligence and intellect of Obama managed to study at Harvard, and he wants other people in the position he once was in to have the same opportunities. The author of this article thinks that's unfair, Obama should rather work towards benefiting the rich and making them wealthier, as a "thank you". If he doesn't do this, he's a "backstabbing ingrate", and a crook apparently too.
Here's a problem I have with Obama: at the end of the second debate he told how his family was on welfare when he was younger but he made it through Harvard. Well, guess where all that money came from? Rich people! Corporations put money into the welfare system, working people put money into the welfare system and you don't pay for a Harvard education without getting some pretty serious financial help from scholarships and endowments. And who funded those Harvard scholarships? RICH PEOPLE! And now his whole campaign is based on taking from the rich and giving to the poor. What a backstabbing ingrate.
In my opinion, one has to be on a pretty loony fringe to be arguing that elected officials should work towards increasing the gap between rich and poor, and to post such an article and claim it's the most "honest" one one has read says a lot about you, imo.
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Wow...
What y'all said !
I don't understand all the nasty pettiness directed at Sarah Palin...
Except , wait , yes I do...
Most of it comes from dim , dem-bulbs...
On the Massive Plus side for Sarah :
She's NOT a Washington Insider...
She's a maverick-y reformist challenger...
She makes 'liberals' crap down their legs...
She could bust a few shots off , and make dinner afterwards...
Did I mention that she makes the libs crap down their legs ? 
She's the hottest VP candidate , since like , EVER !
She has her own naughty-librarian 2009 calendar...
I could go on and on , but the libs crapping down their legs are making quite the stink in here...
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Quote:Wtf, who are you even talking to!? Anyway, if you think buying clothes for $150000 is grounded in reality and down to earth, then you're the one who's out of touch, not Obama.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Very true. Palin has been demonized from the start by everyone, and everything. Very unfair, and nasty.
One thing I can say is at least she is grounded in reality, and down to earth. Obama as a person is an elitist. He is above "normal" folk. He has said anything, and everything to make us like him, but my friends it is a ploy. People have been tip toeing around all his faults. He is human, and he does have them. So why has the news and media praised everything he does?
Vote for him if you want, but when he wins, and starts to disappoint,.....ask yourself what you were thinking.
You guys had your chance with a representative of the "normal" folk for eight years and everything's fucked up as a result. Now let the people with brains have their turn to govern for a bit, okay?
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Originally posted by Khyron:Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Very true. Palin has been demonized from the start by everyone, and everything. Very unfair, and nasty.
...Wtf, who are you even talking to!?
...You guys had your chance with a representative of the "normal" folk for eight years and everything's fucked up as a result.
Now let the people with brains have their turn to govern for a bit, okay?
'W' could hardly be considered 'normal' , even in your fevered imagination...
We're talking to you , and watching you crap down your leg...
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Well, I'm not crapping down my leg yet, but I'm pissing myself. Pissing myself laughing, that is, that you guys think Palin's actually qualified enough to lead the country. She couldn't even run a shitty little town without leaving millions worth of debt behind.
If the right manages to steal this election, I *will* be crapping down my leg though, since then it'll be only a small bit of bad luck before we have President Palin.
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Well , there's all the maverick-y stuff , plus she's a sharp dresser , and a smart cookie besides...
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/23/campbell-brown-the-sexist-double
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If McPain croaked and left Sarah in charge , that wouldn't be 'bad luck' , it would be a blessing...
Maybe she'd appoint Ron Paul to be Treasury Secretary...
Ralph Nader as Commerce Secretary...
Wayne LaPierre as Secretary of the Interior...
FremDFirma for Director of 'Homeland Security'...
Yes , I'm liking your idea a lot...
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Anyone who thinks Paris Palin is a good candidate for president is either a troll or retarded. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here: you're a troll!
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To quote Jayne...
"Oh I take issue with that LAST one.."
Since my first act as HomeSecDef would be making sure they issued Palin her own personal Learjet.
For "security reasons" you know, safety of the pres and all that rot.
And I don't have to spell it out from there, I don't think.
-F
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Quote:Seems to me that she was very nearly worshipped from the start, getting the kind of rock star treatment that McCain once railed against Obama for. The thing that turned folks against Palin was her own words - that interview with Katie Couric was huge.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Very true. Palin has been demonized from the start by everyone, and everything. Very unfair, and nasty.
I'll admit, I didn't like Palin from the convention speech, because all I saw in her was a bitter tone that belongs in a bad high school clique, not the Oval Office. But lots of folks loved her. Her approval rating was high. Peeps on this very site were saying she spelled the end of the Democrats, for criminy sakes!
That went on until Couric. Until Palin made herself fodder for caricature. And now there's nothing else to be done with her but caricature, because she has no substance. Can't even list a damned newspaper! And she and her handlers in the McCain campaign are fully responsible for that.
Quote:Well, that is the idea they're trying to sell, (though it's funny that they needed $150,000 to sell it!) just like they sold the "regular guy" image of W. "Georgie's a guy you'd sit and have a beer with, so let's put him in the White House!" Yeah, that went well, didn't it?
One thing I can say is at least she is grounded in reality, and down to earth.
Quote:Because he's run one hell of a campaign. Because when he's asked a question he actually answers it - and he's the first major politician I've seen in my life who does that. Because he surrounds himself with capable people, and doesn't immediately gut anyone who doesn't agree with him. Because he's intelligent and open to new ideas. Because he isn't owned by big business and won't be starting wars so he can give away no-bid contracts. Because he maintains a calm, mature, and intelligent tone in a massive, long-running, and often ugly campaign - not only in his own demeanor, but in the campaign as a whole. This is no small feat, and more proof of his ability to lead than anyone's umpteen years in office.
People have been tip toeing around all his faults. He is human, and he does have them. So why has the news and media praised everything he does?
Yeah, so McCain's been in the Senate for decades, so Palin's held executive office for multiple months (for whatever that's worth *snicker*) - look at how these two have run things. Look at the mixed signals from them and their campaign, the changing messages, the disagreements, the methods they've decided to resort to. Fear and med-slinging and outright lies.
Quote:Are you asking yourself that about W? Because I'm guessing you voted for him, and yet here you're making the same kind of choice...
Vote for him if you want, but when he wins, and starts to disappoint,.....ask yourself what you were thinking.
Look at Palin's history in Wasilla, how similar it is to Bush's - blatant favoritism, a belief that she's got some divine right, the power of God behind her and her decisions, and then there's the huge debt she left behind in Wasilla. Are YOU drawing the lines there, seeing the connections, learning from past mistakes to improve the future?
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And, by the way:
"Well, Colin Powell came out and gave his endorsement for president. I guess I better give mine. I figure both endorsements will have the same amount of influence on the voting public."
What the heck is this schmoe smoking? Of course there are undecideds out there, a lot of them, and you betchur ass Powell's endorsement meant something to them! Much more than the incredibly "honest" (have you looked that word up yet OPPYH?) opinions in this article - who is this guy and who cares what he thinks? Well, other than us who are up early on Saturday and have nothing else to do but wrangle over every little bitty political blog that gets posted... 
Anyhow, Colin Powell made a much stronger argument, well thought out and based in deep experience and long observation of both candidates:
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Quote:Obama has not run anything but his mouth and for office. Barry will win because his whores in the media, both news and entertainment, have made Palin look awful and have given Biden (a real whacko) a pass. Biden should be a member of the "Gaffe of the Month Club". Make 5 gaffes and get a free oil change at Jiffy Lube.
Originally posted by Khyron:
Well, I'm not crapping down my leg yet, but I'm pissing myself. Pissing myself laughing, that is, that you guys think Palin's actually qualified enough to lead the country. She couldn't even run a shitty little town without leaving millions worth of debt behind.
If the right manages to steal this election, I *will* be crapping down my leg though, since then it'll be only a small bit of bad luck before we have President Palin.
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Yes, Palin doesn't look bad because she doesn't know even the most basic things like The Bush Doctrine, the names of two or three newspapers or magazines or even what the Vice President does. Her taking $150,000 worth of clothes and make-up, flying her children around at donors expense, being found to have behaved unethically - that's all someone else's fault I'm sure.
As demonstrated by the OP, Republicans can't even spell the word honest, let alone comprehend it.
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Don't forget that Palin, that mavericky bastion of maverickness, took a town of less than 8000 people with a balanced budget, and within a few short years left it more than $22 MILLION in debt - and that's in the state that gets by far the most welfare money per capita of any state in the nation. And if she hadn't started billing rape victims for investigating the crimes against them, in the state with the highest per-capita numbers of rape and incest, then she'd have left Wasilla in even worse shape than she did!
Yeah, that's some real "reform" ya got goin' there, guv. That's some change we can live without.
Mike
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Yeah, this joker is clearly as intelligent and qualified as Colin Powell. What does someone like General Powell know about things like leadership and national security? Nah, we should definitely weigh the opinion of the two-bit columnist just as highly.
>.<
You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
As an American, I don't see how I can vote for the guy.
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But when it comes right down to it, I'm an American and I love this country. I believe in the premises this country was founded on and I honor the flag under which it stands. I believe if Obama is elected, he will seriously threaten those tenets. I don't think he loves this country, I'm not even sure he likes this country.
These statements seem very similar to the "real Americans" rhetoric the Republicans have had to apologize for. The divisiveness it implies is so disgusting that, on top of all the other things the McCain campaign brings to the table - opposition to abortion, comprehensive sex-ed, and same-sex marriage; more entitlements for the wealthy and corporations through tax cuts; strange solutions to the economic crisis, most notably the freeze on government spending; a lackluster health care proposal; the promise to appoint more conservative Supreme Court judges, which may lead to the continued erosion of our civil liberties for decades to come; Palin - I have decided to vote for Obama/Biden, despite some major disagreements I have with them, rather than voting third-party (an option most people ignore completely).
Not that I just decided this today, because of this piece. What Tracy Lorenz (whoever that is) thinks isn't nearly that impressive or important to me.
(Edited to clarify and add a couple more grievances)
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Wow...
What y'all said !
I don't understand all the nasty pettiness directed at Sarah Palin...
Except , wait , yes I do...
Most of it comes from dim , dem-bulbs...
On the Massive Plus side for Sarah :
She's NOT a Washington Insider...
She's a maverick-y reformist challenger...
She makes 'liberals' crap down their legs...
She could bust a few shots off , and make dinner afterwards...
Did I mention that she makes the libs crap down their legs ?
She's the hottest VP candidate , since like , EVER !
She has her own naughty-librarian 2009 calendar...
I could go on and on , but the libs crapping down their legs are making quite the stink in here...
What - no enthusiastic expression of your faith that you could sit down and drink a beer with her? I'd say that's at least as vital a qualification as her hunting/cooking skills.
The only crapping down my legs I've done in relation to Palin was in response to her being named McCain's running mate...and then the subsequent revelation that some folks - hell, ANY folks - were and are taking it seriously and even enthusiastically.
She reminds me of Spock's ermine violin (just substitute "boner" for "sound" in the original quote).
A year ago I could at least concede some vague, nebulous circumstances under which I would vote for McCain. It's been a LONG year...
And in closing, let me just say: Where can I get me one of those calendars?
EDIT to substitute "vague, nebulous" for "unclear"...wordier IS better, right?
It was like that when we got here!
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Originally posted by Khyron:
Do you think all the millions of other opinion pieces on Obama were being dishonest, or at least not completely forthright?
YES!!!
Also, the media and news have constantly put Obama in a flattering light, and disrespected McCain, and Palin time and again. Fair?
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Originally posted by Khyron:
...Wtf, who are you even talking to!?
I was expressing my thoughts on the article.
I thought that was pretty evident!!
IQ much?
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So you're saying that the job of the president is to increase the gap between rich and poor? Because that's basically what the article's saying Obama should be doing if he becomes president.
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Quote:The article hardly mentioned Palin, and when it did it was more of an aside, yet in your second post you address the Palin-issue as if you were responding to somebody.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
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Originally posted by Khyron:
...Wtf, who are you even talking to!?
I was expressing my thoughts on the article.
I thought that was pretty evident!!
IQ much?
Deluded much?
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From the article:
"Oh, yeah, that's another thing that bothers me about Obama, when he says Palin doesn't have enough foreign policy experience to run the free world. I'm sure she has as much or more experience than he does."
That is the biggest statement in the article.
That's what I was responding to.
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How in the world could anybody consider that to be the biggest statement in the article!?
I thought you said that this article was supposed to be about Obama? Now you make it sound as if it were about Palin, and everything else in the article is irrelevant.
Make up your mind what you want this article to be about and get back to us. Change the thread title once you've decided, because otherwise you'll just cause more confusion.
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BUT, since you brought it up, what exactly is Palin's foreign policy experience? She doesn't know, so I'm wondering if anybody does.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
So you're saying that the job of the president is to increase the gap between rich and poor? Because that's basically what the article's saying Obama should be doing if he becomes president.
The gap will remain consistent no matter who becomes president.
But do you actually want a president that will increase Welfare, and social aid for non working lazy assholes across America? That's what OBama plans on doing. If people don't want to work in life, thats fine. They shouldn't get to collect money from the government for being a waste of life.
Will Obama help the blue-collar working class? No.
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Here's a link to the original article, for people interested in reading the comments. There are some good refutations of the points he makes.
http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle_opinion/2008/10/weighing_in_on_the_rac
e_for_pr.html
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Quote:Spoken like a true elitist.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
But do you actually want a president that will increase Welfare, and social aid for non working lazy assholes across America? That's what OBama plans on doing. If people don't want to work in life, thats fine. They shouldn't get to collect money from the government for being a waste of life.
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Originally posted by Khyron:
Spoken like a true elitist.
So I guess the new definition of elitist is:
Hard working individual who is sick of fitting the bill for lazy people who leech off society.
IF you don't have a job, I didn't mean to offend you.
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Quote:By "lazy people who leech off society", do you mean people who, for instance, go on $150000 shopping sprees with money given to them by people much poorer than them?
Originally posted by OPPYH:Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Spoken like a true elitist.
So I guess the new definition of elitist is:
Hard working individual who is sick of fitting the bill for lazy people who leech off society.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
By "lazy people who leech off society", do you mean people who, for instance, go on $150000 shopping sprees with money given to them by people much poorer than them?
Why do you keep saying that about Palin's clothes?
The clothes were on loan to her, and given to charity afterward. They were never her clothes.
Where do you get this crap from? I'd like to know.
Your a sucker for the news media aren't you? I'm sorry about that.
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"How can you vote for a man to be president of a country if he won't even honor, or display, it's flag and he won't honor or place his hand on his heart for the national anthem? That's the real problem I have with him, his policies are ignorant (at best) but congress can take care of that. I mean, if they want to make you the quarterback at least you should not be ashamed to put on the uniform."
Tracy Lorenz
Change your mind before it's too late.
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Quote:Because it's true?
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Why do you keep saying that about Palin's clothes?
Quote:Why do you speak in the past tense?
[The clothes were] given to charity afterward.
Quote:You're the first person I've seen anywhere who's denied the price tag. So where do you get your news from?
Where do you get this crap from? I'd like to know.
Lastly, why have you still not gotten back to me about Palin's foreign policy experience?
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eta: Oppyh You are just plain wrong and frankly stupid to believe all the lies. Look it up for yourself.
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Obama Nabbed by the Patriot Police
Obama salutes the flag
"He refused to not only put his hand on his heart during the pledge of allegiance, but refused to say the pledge...how in the hell can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief? "
--Chain e-mail attacking Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
To all the other hazards of presidential campaigning in the Internet age--the blogosphere, the 24-hour news cycle, attack ads on You Tube--add one more, the anonymous viral e-mail. By now, millions of Americans have received an e-mailed photographs of Obama in a relaxed pose standing next to his fellow candidates, Bill Richardson and Hillary Clinton, with their hands firmly over their hearts as they listen to the national anthem. Several readers have asked us to investigate the provenance of this photograph, and we are happy to oblige.
The Facts
The photograph was taken on September 16, 2007, at Senator Tom Harkin's annual steak fry festivities in Iowa, an important ritual for Democratic presidential hopefuls. Contrary to the e-mails attacking Obama for disrespecting the flag, the candidates were not reciting the pledge of allegiance. They were standing for the national anthem.
As far as we can ascertain, the photograph first appeared in Time Magazine on October 1. Visit Time's website for a larger version. It was then picked up by the NewsBusters blog (Motto: "Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias"), and from there made its way into all those in-boxes.
To his credit, the NewsBusters blogger does not try to pretend that the photograph had anything to do with the pledge of allegiance. Instead he cites Title 36 or the U.S. Code, which states the following:
During a rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed (A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart; (B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart;
By that standard, everybody in the picture (Obama, Richardson, Clinton, and Ruth Harkin) was infringing the Code, as they had their backs to the flag. On the other hand, the Code refers specifically to "Patriotic and National Observances." We welcome the opinion of protocol experts, but we are not sure that a steak fry qualifies as a "Patriotic Observance," even in Iowa. Since the steak fry was awash with flags, it is quite possible that the aforementioned political candidates were facing the flag and had their backs to the flag at the same time.
We should note that this is not the first time that Obama (does that name remind you of anybody?) has run afoul of the patriotic police. Fox News has criticized him for refusing to wear a Stars and Stripes pin in his buttonhole, on the grounds that the gesture has become "a substitute for true patriotism." Previous anonymous e-mails have claimed--falsely--that Obama is a Muslim.
Asked whether Obama normally puts his hand over his heart while listening to the national anthem, Obama spokesman Bill Burton replied by e-mail: "Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. In no way was he making any sort of statement, and any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous."
To demonstrate the senator's "true patriotism," Burton e-mailed two photographs of Obama with his hand firmly over his heart. One photograph is at the top of this post; the other is below.
The Pinocchio Test
Anonymous attacks by e-mail are, or at least should be, un-American. This particular one was also wrong on the facts: the ceremony in question had nothing to do with the pledge of the allegiance. We award the scoundrel who put the e-mail into circulation four Pinocchios.
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Posted on November 2, 2007 at 6:00 AM ET | Category: 4 Pinocchios, Barack Obama, Candidate Record, Web Watch
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Quote:That's true, McCain should really start wearing that flag pin the way Obama does.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
"How can you vote for a man to be president of a country if he won't even honor, or display, it's flag
Quote:FMF cleared this one up.
he won't honor or place his hand on his heart for the national anthem?"
Quote:No thanks.
Change your mind before it's too late.
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"were loaned to us during the convention. And I don't think it was anywhere near ... What did they say... $150 grand? It wasn't anywhere near that,"
"Those are not ours. We give those back, those go to charity or they'll be auctioned off or whatever. That's not even my property. So to be criticized for that, that is not who we are."
Sarah Palin
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
"How can you vote for a man to be president of a country if he won't even honor, or display, it's flag and he won't honor or place his hand on his heart for the national anthem? That's the real problem I have with him, his policies are ignorant (at best) but congress can take care of that. I mean, if they want to make you the quarterback at least you should not be ashamed to put on the uniform."
Tracy Lorenz
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I could care less if someone puts their hand over their heart when they say the pledge of allegiance. What a ridiculous standard for "patriotism." I could never in good conscience repeat the words to the pledge. I don't believe in the christian god. And I'd never swear allegiance to a god, flag, country or anything else. My soul belongs to no one and no thing. It is mine and mine alone. Nation/states are fictions and all will (rightly) fall. I'm a citizen of the Universe and that is where my heart and soul reside. I wish a political candidate for president didn't have to pass these absurd patriotism tests. I wish, someday, when asked for their religious affiliation, they'd respond that it's none of your damn business. Here's what I think sums up "patriotism" these days--
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fevered pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
Could have been written (though not nearly as well) by Bush, Cheney, Mao, Stalin or Hitler. They all used it's message to their advantage.
For all of you whipped into a "patriotic fervor" I'll leave you with this. As reported in Esquire magazine, according to campaign-finance filings released in August, campaign contributions BY U.S. TROOPS DEPLOYED ABROAD--
John McCain $10,665
Ron Paul $45,512
Barack Obama $60,642
- commenter "CptJackSprw"
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
"were loaned to us during the convention. And I don't think it was anywhere near ... What did they say... $150 grand? It wasn't anywhere near that,"
"Those are not ours. We give those back, those go to charity or they'll be auctioned off or whatever. That's not even my property. So to be criticized for that, that is not who we are."
Sarah Palin
It's funny that they were "loaned" AFTER the brohaha
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Quote:It's even funnier that OPPYH thinks Palin's spin is an adequate refutation of something that even hardcore Republicans have been moaning about.
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
It's funny that they were "loaned" AFTER the brohaha
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Personally I could give a rats ass where the money came from. But what it proves to me is that she is out of her element. Had she the accomplishments and the experience on the level that is required by the VP position, then she would have had the clothing. Perhaps not $5,000 jackets, but she would have had the clothing
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"We don't fear the reaper"
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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi
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Oh my God.....Palin not qualified?
She is the governor of a state, yup that's right a governor. Obama is a senator. Now it's common knowledge that while governors don't exactly outrank senators, they do have much more on their plate than senators.
Governors have the monumental task of keeping a states budget in check, foreign affairs, transpotation, and energy departments in good working order. Palin has done a great job in Alaska as governor, so naturally I can see why everyone keeps saying she's unqualified? wait..huh? While I don't care for McCain all that much he is the lesser of two evils. Palin is the real reason I'm voting for him.
You want to start a do nothing committee hold a clipboard, and argue all day about a nothing issue, call a senator. If there is ever a crisis Obama as president could try to talk his way out of it. When it comes to action, well thats a different story.....we'd be F*#^D!
Good call people!
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Originally posted by Khyron:
It's even funnier that OPPYH thinks Palin's spin is an adequate refutation of something that even hardcore Republicans have been moaning about.
Troll.
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Governors have the monumental task of keeping a states budget in check, foreign affairs, transpotation, and energy departments in good working order. Palin has done a great job in Alaska as governor, so naturally I can see why everyone keeps saying she's unqualified? wait..huh?
Troll.
As for the "monumental" responsibilities of state governors, you might want to look into that. The states ascribe differing levels of power and responsibility to their governors; here in Texas, for instance, a Governor (such as George W. Bush was) is tied for DEAD LAST (with South Dakota's governor) when it comes to the power he or she is allotted. So simply being a governor isn't automatically a qualification to run anything on a national level.
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If there is ever a crisis Obama as president could try to talk his way out of it. When it comes to action, well thats a different story.....we'd be F*#^D!
Yes, the very last thing you'd ever want a President to do would be to try to TALK to find a solution to a problem. How'd that whole jump-in-first-and-figure-it-out-later policy worked out in Iraq? How's it working in Afghanistan?
Mike
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Wait, Palin's done a great job in Alaska? I seem to recall hearing she'd left the state a couple million in debt, and that 'biggest project ever' pipeline hasn't even started yet. And let's not forget all those secessionists running around up there...
Yeah, good job.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
If there is ever a crisis Obama as president could try to talk his way out of it. When it comes to action, well thats a different story.....we'd be F*#^D!
Yes, the very last thing you'd ever want a President to do would be to try to TALK to find a solution to a problem...
Nah, just bomb everyone who disagrees with you. Eventually no dissenters will be left. (...Because no one will be left.)
You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.
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Quote:OK, so if I decide to turn terrist and infiltrate the US with evilness, all I have to do is wear a US flag lapel pin and place my hand accordingly, and - hey presto - I'll have idiots like this on my side!
Originally posted by OPPYH:
"How can you vote for a man to be president of a country if he won't even honor, or display, it's flag and he won't honor or place his hand on his heart for the national anthem? That's the real problem I have with him...
Criminy. What a ma-roon!
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Quote:You did see her interview with Katie Couric, right?
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Oh my God.....Palin not qualified?
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Muggers for Obama in Kenya murdered 1,000 Christians, including 50 arsoned to death in their church with the doors padlocked. Obama supporters raped both women and men in Kenya, when Obama's cousin lost the election for president. 800 Christian churches were arsoned by Obama's radical Muslim terrorist army, creating 350,000 refugees. So Kenya was forced to creat the non job of prime minister for Obama's Commie cousin.
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamanation-raped-killed-100
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Hussien Obama is a citizen of Kenya. His granny brags he was born in Kenya.
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Obama Mass Hypnosis Manual
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Nah, just bomb everyone who disagrees with you. Eventually no dissenters will be left. (...Because no one will be left.)
Bombing doesn't decide who's right; only who's left.
You can bomb the world into pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace.
Mike
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Originally posted by swish:
You did see her interview with Katie Couric, right?
Yes I watched the interview, and Couric had nothing but undeniably awkward and difficult questions for Palin. If She had the exact same questions for Obama, I promise you he wouldn't have fared any better.
Look you people obviously like Obama, and that's fine, but you cannot deny the fact that since the start of this race McCain and Palin have been demonized by the media, and news. It's not an opinion, it's fact. Just pick up an issue of Newsweek, or Time magazine, or watch any major news channel. I don't know why the media isn't giving them a fair shot. Looks like the Pax got to you folks as well....so be it.
I have one thing to say:
"Can't stop the signal"
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Couric: What newspapers do you read?
Caribou Barbie: Umm...all of them?
Truly a hit piece.
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Quote:"What newspapers do you read?
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Yes I watched the interview, and Couric had nothing but undeniably awkward and difficult questions for Palin.
"What did you mean when you said ____?
"Do you believe global warming is man-made?
"Can you cite a supreme court ruling you disagree with?
"Can you state a few facts about your running mate? (without getting back to me later...)"
Yep. No one holding the highest or second highest office in the land should be expected to answer such tricksy questions...
One more question: are you fucking insane? Really! You think someone who can't handle one little bitty reporter should be VP of the most powerful country in the world? How does your brain... do... that?
Quote:I'd so take you up if there were a way to bet on that!
If She had the exact same questions for Obama, I promise you he wouldn't have fared any better.
Quote:I can deny it, and I do. The press has merely reported what McCain and Palin do. It's been entirely their fault that they've been complete morons.
Look you people obviously like Obama, and that's fine, but you cannot deny the fact that since the start of this race McCain and Palin have been demonized by the media, and news.
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Originally posted by swish:
One more question: are you fucking insane?
You can't post on a thread without getting all angry?
Don't post on this thread any more. You've already proved you have anger issues, and sub-par intelligence.
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Originally posted by OPPYH:Quote:
Originally posted by swish:
One more question: are you fucking insane?
You can't post on a thread without getting all angry?
Don't post on this thread any more. You've already proved you have anger issues, and sub-par intelligence.
Wasn't said in anger. Was said in gaping disbelief.
As for intelligence - how about actually replying on topic? How hard were Couric's questions really? Could you point out the gotchas that a future VP shouldn't be expected to handle?
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Don't forget about the secessionists here, too...
Who knows, this election might lead to ANOTHER war of Northern Aggression....(i.e. the Alliance, i.e. the Nanny State, i.e. the New National Socialist States of America)
But this time, if it comes to that, the Brown Coats will win.
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Originally posted by swish:
How hard were Couric's questions really? Could you point out the gotchas that a future VP shouldn't be expected to handle?
Well, there was that stumper about Supreme Court decisions OTHER than Roe v. Wade...
And who can name off the top of their head which magazines and newspapers they read?
By the way, someone of more than "sub-par intelligence" probably wouldn't have misspelled "honest" in the title of the thread - unless you really MEANT that it was "the most honset article" you've seen
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So why has the news and media praised everything he does?
Yeah, why were they falling all over themselves praising Reverend Wright, and demonizing McCain's relationships with Hagee and Palin's "exorcism" ritual? How unfair of the media...
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, someone of more than "sub-par intelligence" probably wouldn't have misspelled "honest" in the title of the thread - unless you really MEANT that it was "the most honset article" you've seen
Typo. I didn't MEAN to do that
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yeah, why were they falling all over themselves praising Reverend Wright, and demonizing McCain's relationships with Hagee and Palin's "exorcism" ritual? How unfair of the media...
Mike
Speaking of reverend Wright, here's some quotes from him:
– September 2001: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
– September 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.”
– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”
– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God **** America … for killing innocent people. God **** America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God **** America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”
– December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”
– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a n***8r. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
– Jan. 13, 2008: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”
– “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”
– “We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. … We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. … We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. … We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means.
And … And … And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this sh*t!”
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Just a sample of the madman Obama has called "friend", and counted on for spiritual advice for twenty years. Someone that is so clearly anti-American, and anti-white it's shocking.
Come on Mike, Please tell me you agree with those statements. Obama certainly didn't mind them.
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Originally posted by swish:
As for intelligence - how about actually replying on topic? How hard were Couric's questions really? Could you point out the gotchas that a future VP shouldn't be expected to handle?
Well, since you cherry picked the easy questions, here's an example of the interview BS that Palin had to put up with:
Couric: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?
Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.
Couric: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.
Palin: He's also known as the maverick though, taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about - the need to reform government.
Couric: But can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me any other examples in his 26 years of John McCain truly taking a stand on this?
Palin: I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today.
Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.
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It's pretty clear Palin was stumped, and Couric(Cunt) would not leave her alone. Like a vicious bulldog.
If Couric interviewed Obama it would go something like this:
Couric-Barak, what's your favorite color?
Obama-Blue
Couric-OOHH I like that color too
end of interview
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I win
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Typo. I didn't MEAN to do that
You could fix it...
Might look a little better , then .
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On your Reverend Wright quotes, whether I agree or disagree, and just pointing out these ones, I'll ask this question:
ARE THEY FACTUALLY CORRECT? Are these true statements that he's making?
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Speaking of reverend Wright, here's some quotes from him:
– September 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.”
– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard.”
– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God **** America … for killing innocent people. God **** America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God **** America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”
– December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”
– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a n***8r. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
– “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”
1. We did indeed nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And there were many then, and still some today, who feel that we should have nuked Tokyo as well. Point of fact, we are the only nation on Earth to have ever used nuclear weapons against another.
2.We have indeed sponsored "state terrorism" in those places, and many others (Afghanistan and Nicaraugua, just to name two more).
3. The government has indeed brought in illegal drugs and distributed them to support their illegal wars. And they may well be doing it right now, with heroin from Afghanistan. And we have indeed killed innocent people.
4. The country is indeed run by rich white men.
5. I'm pretty sure Hillary's never been called a "nigger". And she's never been defined in our Constitution as three-fifths of a person.
6. I'd have to check the stats, but I don't doubt that we have more black men in prison than in college, and this country was founded with racism. See above about negroes counting as three-fifths of a "free man". As for "how it's still run" - I'd take issue with that.
Now, you want to know if I agree with Wright's point of view, and I don't. I find it to be counterproductive. But on the majority of his FACTS on which he bases that point of view, he's correct. These things did happen, and some of them still ARE happening.
And by the way, I do indeed love my country. That doesn't blind me to its flaws, nor does it make me believe that we simply have no flaws.
I think Wright's a bit of a whacko myself, but I think that about EVERY religious zealot - Palin's witch doctor and McCain's pal Hagee included.
Mike
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I win.
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
"can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me...specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation."
Gosh, asking for a specific example of action. Yeah, total gotcha. Not something that gets asked (and answered) repeatedly, and over and over, about Barack Obama. Not a reasonable inquiry to make about someone who's after top office. The audacity.
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I win
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Even though he said so himself.
We'd all like to write our own reviews.
You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
On your Reverend Wright quotes, whether I agree or disagree, and just pointing out these ones, I'll ask this question:
ARE THEY FACTUALLY CORRECT? Are these true statements that he's making?
Mike
No they aren't factually correct. Not remotely.
The country is run by rich white men? are you serious? If your referring to the president, then yes he happens to be white, but he doesn't "run" this country. The government, and banks run this country, and I assure you all colors and creeds are represented there.
And you didn't respond to the government creating HIV to wipe out African Americans. You must think that is true then?
And what about Obama's character? Getting advice from this crackpot for 20 years only to turn his back the minute the mud started to fly. Strong character indeed!
Well now I know who I'm dealing with. You actually endorsed 6 of Wright's statements so I guess you are a winner. Congrats!
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
You could fix it...
Might look a little better , then .
I fixed it as soon as It was brought to my attention, but thanks anyway.
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Even though he said so himself.
We'd all like to write our own reviews.
Rose, your really attractive in all the right ways. You have a heart the size of Ohio, and your write beautifully. Please don't give me any grief, I get that you support Obama. Just don't drag me through the mud K?
Forgot to mention really good looking, and cute
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Quote:Palin was being evasive and Couric called her on it. And you see this as unfair?
Originally posted by OPPYH:
It's pretty clear Palin was stumped, and Couric(Cunt) would not leave her alone. Like a vicious bulldog.
So, in a Palin presidency, if a foreign power stumps her in any way it'll be a new international rule that they have to back off so poor little Sarah won't look bad?
And come on - you really think it's reasonable that Palin doesn't know the basics about the political history of her running mate? Really?
Quote:Obama has done about a gazillion interviews over the past 4 years, and you bet your ass he's gotten tough questions. Thing is, he's INFORMED and doesn't get stumped about stupid shit he should know. We don't have the soundbites of imbecilic answers that Palin provided in one go. And sure you can insist that this is because all the questions he's been asked are intellectually equivalent to "what's your favorite color?" but that just shows that you've been watching Fox News spin rather than the interviews themselves.
If Couric interviewed Obama it would go something like this:
Couric-Barak, what's your favorite color?
Obama-Blue
Couric-OOHH I like that color too
end of interview
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Quote:Have you ever gone into a big corporaton and looked at the rows of pictures of company big cahonies in the boardroom? I have. Rich white men. Vast vast majority.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
No they aren't factually correct. Not remotely.
The country is run by rich white men?
Hey - but good red herring about AIDS. Way to twist off topic and misrepresent Kwicko's post!
Quote:Get off the Fox, OPPYH. No advice was ever involved.
And what about Obama's character? Getting advice from this crackpot for 20 years only to turn his back the minute the mud started to fly. Strong character indeed!
Honestly, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. You're really inventing a scary reality for yourself. You might serve yourself better by fighting real demons, and not those the Karl Rove and his ilk have invented to control your vote.
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All VERY GOOD reasons to vote someone into one of the most important positions in the free world.
Don't forget her foreign policy experience: "I can
see Russia from my house."
Her take on the VP duties: "I get to control Congress."
Her knowledge of the Bush Doctrine: "???????"
Yep, she's quite a catch. McCain was lucky to find her in the backwoods of Alaska. Her vast experience as Governor (less than 2 years) of the Huge state of Alaska. Not to mention her experience as a sports broadcaster, that should really come in handy (you know in case she needs to give America the lastest score in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan).
Plus the best damn legs in the country!
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On the Massive Plus side for Sarah :
She's NOT a Washington Insider...
She's a maverick-y reformist challenger...
She makes 'liberals' crap down their legs...
She could bust a few shots off , and make dinner afterwards...
Did I mention that she makes the libs crap down their legs ?
She's the hottest VP candidate , since like , EVER !
She has her own naughty-librarian 2009 calendar...
I could go on and on , but the libs crapping down their legs are making quite the stink in here...
Country First
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Her knowledge of the Bush Doctrine: "???????"
Well, in all honesty, that's not quite fair; she DID answer the question. According to her, the Bush Doctrine is defined as "his world view".
MIke
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And you didn't respond to the government creating HIV to wipe out African Americans. You must think that is true then?
And what about Obama's character? Getting advice from this crackpot for 20 years only to turn his back the minute the mud started to fly. Strong character indeed!
Well now I know who I'm dealing with. You actually endorsed 6 of Wright's statements so I guess you are a winner. Congrats!
First off, you have no idea who you're dealing with. But apparently *I* am dealing with someone possessing sub-par reading comprehension skills, and just another right-wing nutjob who ONLY gets their news and views from the Faux News bunch.
Go back and re-read my reply to your post, where I take several of your Reverend Wright quotes and address them on a point-by-point basis. Then read my PERSONAL opinions on the man and his views. You'll notice, if you're paying attention at all, that I said at the outset that I was addressing particular quotes, and asking the question of whether they were factually correct. You'll also notice that I said that I don't agree with his point of view - he may be factually correct in some (SOME, mind you - not ALL) of his statements, but his opinions that grow out of those facts don't jibe with me.
Here, I'll quote it so you don't have to scroll back up...
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Kwicko wrote:
On your Reverend Wright quotes, whether I agree or disagree, and just pointing out these ones, I'll ask this question:
ARE THEY FACTUALLY CORRECT? Are these true statements that he's making?
And:
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Now, you want to know if I agree with Wright's point of view, and I don't. I find it to be counterproductive. But on the majority of his FACTS on which he bases that point of view, he's correct. These things did happen, and some of them still ARE happening.
I didn't respond to the HIV quote you posted, nor to some of the others, because I find them to be dubious at best, if not downright nutty.
But for the record, I notice you haven't responded to my mention of Palin's witch doctor and McCain's pal Hagee. I take it that means you endorse their views and agree with them, then? You agree that New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina hit, and that the Jews deserved the Holocaust, eh? Well, at least I know who I'm dealing with...
And by the way, did you just refer to Katie Couric as a "Cunt"? Let me guess - you're one of those Republicans who say that anyone who votes against Palin is sexist, but it's okay to call other women a bunch of cunts. How very, very enlightened of you. Of course, many others will probably feel free to refer to Caribou Barbie (Now with $150,000 in accessories!) as a cunt as well, since you wanted to go ahead and bring out the "c-bomb"...
Now, a quick note on your "loaded" interview questions, because they were so very tough, as we can see:
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Couric: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more examples of his leading the charge for more oversight?
Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.
McCain is running as someone who will "change" things, and Palin was asked to name ONE other thing that McCain would change about how Wall Street is run. And she couldn't answer. Her "answer" was to simply restate the question and not address it in any way. That's yet another hallmark of someone who simply isn't very bright.
Mike
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Kwicko,
To be fair, she did reply to the question by stating an answer by simply stating the obvious "his world view." That is a very general statement, the type of which you find in High School whenever your stumped for a specific answer, which is what the interviewer was looking for.
I dare say that if your running for any public service office or position, you should know something about that office. Does that make sense?
What some folk fail to understand is that the interviewer was qualifying her credentials to run for the office of Vice President of the United States.
It is, to say the least, a very important position that requires a good mixture of experience, knowledge, political acumen (or smarts) and sense of duty (among other things). McCain picked someone outside the box, so to speak, and no one knew just who Sarah Palin was or what she was about. The only way to find out who and what we were dealing with was to ask the tough questions. That's what a reporter does to get to the bottom of a situation.
The interviews the McCain Campaign granted were meant to give a further boost to the Senator's run for office, after the rousing reception Palin received at the convention. But in an unscripted setting where she had to think on her feet she exposed herself (and the campaign for that matter) to be politically "ignorant" of certain fundamentally basic facts surrounding the office for which she was hand-picked. McCain's camp dropped the ball on that one (they quickly learned that they had to prep her for future sit-downs with the press and debates). Truth be told I didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was until Charlie Gibson (of ABC-News) told her, but I'm not running for the second most powerful position in the entire world.
She might very well be a great Governor, but she should know the basics of the position she's running for and I'm not convinced that is the case.
(Sorry for the long winded reply, but it had to be said)
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Well, in all honesty, that's not quite fair; she DID answer the question. According to her, the Bush Doctrine is defined as "his world view".
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I'm not down on her for being a Republican, or even a Maverick, just not sure she's sufficiently versed in VP matters of state is all.
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Shiny: I think you misunderstood my reply, or misread it. I was trying to be snarky, in that she did answer, but it was an amazingly shitty answer!
No worries. I forgot to put the [sarcasm] filter on. :)
Mike
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Serves me right for not putting my "sarcasm" filter on.
Well, since you put it that way.......never mind (with apologies to Emily Fatella of SNL).
No worries.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Shiny: I think you misunderstood my reply, or misread it. I was trying to be snarky, in that she did answer, but it was an amazingly shitty answer!
No worries. I forgot to put the [sarcasm] filter on. :)
Mike
Shiny! Let's be bad guys!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I didn't respond to the HIV quote you posted, nor to some of the others, because I find them to be dubious at best, if not downright nutty.
But for the record, I notice you haven't responded to my mention of Palin's witch doctor and McCain's pal Hagee. I take it that means you endorse their views and agree with them, then? You agree that New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina hit, and that the Jews deserved the Holocaust, eh? Well, at least I know who I'm dealing with...
Hagee is just a straight laced Christian. Nothing wrong with good morals.
As far as Palin's "witch doctor", I don't care.
Rev. Wright is a fikkin nutjob, and was Obama's good friend. That should send a red flag to potential Obama voters. For people like you though with such a jaw dropping narrow view of the race for president....I don't know what else to say.
You know if Obama came out tomorrow and said he hated America, or wanted to start a war with China, you'd still vote for him.
You'd be like yeah I hate America too, Obama's correct, or we could do without China.
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OPPYH, any plans on finally letting me know what Palin's foreign policy experience is? I've been waiting for a couple of days already, the suspense is killing me!
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Quote:Of course you don't.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
As far as Palin's "witch doctor", I don't care.
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Quote:Yeah, isn't it a hoot when bias is so openly admitted?
Originally posted by Khyron:Quote:Of course you don't.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
As far as Palin's "witch doctor", I don't care.
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Hagee is just a straight laced Christian. Nothing wrong with good morals.
As far as Palin's "witch doctor", I don't care.
Rev. Wright is a fikkin nutjob, and was Obama's good friend. That should send a red flag to potential Obama voters. For people like you though with such a jaw dropping narrow view of the race for president....I don't know what else to say.
Hagee's a "straight-laced christian"? Then all christians are bat-shit crazy, if he's typical of the breed.
As for my "narrow view" - how wide is your view? Wide enough to allow that slimmest sliver of light to get between McCain and Bush, two sides of the same coin, which for the rest of America reads "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose". Can you see any difference between the two? 'Cause the rest of us sure as hell can't, and we've had eight years of these idiots wrecking America and ruining our reputation around the world. But I guess your mind is just to narrow to accept that view.
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You know if Obama came out tomorrow and said he hated America, or wanted to start a war with China, you'd still vote for him.
You'd be like yeah I hate America too, Obama's correct, or we could do without China.
Okay, clearly you're in over your head. You've stumbled in here and decided to spew some line of bullshit you heard at the tractor pull. Once upon a time, we could have done without China. That was before we sent all our manufacturing jobs over there, and started borrowing money hand over fist from them to keep our economy going.
I've got a news flash for you: China IS going to be the next superpower, and they're going to do it without firing a shot. They decided a long long time ago that they'd use our greed against us, and work longer, harder, and cheaper than us in order to get the majority of our manufacturing. Now that they've got it, how long do you suppose it will stay cheap? And how long will they keep propping up our scrip money while they're holding hundreds of billions of dollars of it? If China so desired, they could call their loans due today and collapse our system completely. They'd lose their BIGGEST customer, but we're not their ONLY customer.
I wouldn't be too eager to start a shooting war with them. That's more the Republicans' speed anyway - shoot first and ask questions never.
Mike
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Originally posted by Khyron:
OPPYH, any plans on finally letting me know what Palin's foreign policy experience is? I've been waiting for a couple of days already, the suspense is killing me!
But of course she has foreign policy experience - she can see Russia from her house!
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all christians are bat-shit crazy
Took you THIS long to figure that out ?
Bit slow on the draw today, Mikey...
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Originally posted by Khyron:
any plans on finally letting me know what Palin's foreign policy experience is? I've been waiting for a couple of days already, the suspense is killing me!
What's your malfunction?
I'm not Palin. I don't know her Foreign Policy(should I?). I know she is awesome with energy, and ecological conservation, and she's doing a great job as governor of Alaska. If Global Warming is something that concerns you(it should) then Plain may be the very person to stop future environmental disasters.
That is all I need to know.
You want suspense, go read a Nancy Drew book you half-wit!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Okay, clearly you're in over your head. You've stumbled in here and decided to spew some line of bullshit you heard at the tractor pull. Once upon a time, we could have done without China. That was before we sent all our manufacturing jobs over there, and started borrowing money hand over fist from them to keep our economy going.
I've got a news flash for you: China IS going to be the next superpower, and they're going to do it without firing a shot. They decided a long long time ago that they'd use our greed against us, and work longer, harder, and cheaper than us in order to get the majority of our manufacturing. Now that they've got it, how long do you suppose it will stay cheap? And how long will they keep propping up our scrip money while they're holding hundreds of billions of dollars of it? If China so desired, they could call their loans due today and collapse our system completely. They'd lose their BIGGEST customer, but we're not their ONLY customer.
Mike
Tractor pulls are too messy for me, but drag racing is pretty cool.
Anyway, it looks as though you are against China.
Many Americans are, and I understand that. All this "Outsourcing" has ruined many lives. But do you know who started the onslaught of foreign trade with China? Mr. Clinton himself. It wasn't Regan, or Bush senior, it was "Slick Willie". A democrat that was supposed to "change" all of economic bad times. Look where we are today. Is the US in sad shape......"you betcha".
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
From the article:
"Oh, yeah, that's another thing that bothers me about Obama, when he says Palin doesn't have enough foreign policy experience to run the free world. I'm sure she has as much or more experience than he does."
That is the biggest statement in the article.
That's what I was responding to.
Quote:Yes, you should. According to you, a statement about her foreign policy experience is the biggest statement in the article. You should be able to explain why you think the statement is true.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
I'm not Palin. I don't know her Foreign Policy(should I?).
Quote:I can't, there aren't any CliffsNotes for Nancy Drew, and reading a whole book is too much work. Besides, the point was that I don't want suspense (re-read my post), waiting for you to back up what you say is making my life unnecessarily exciting.
You want suspense, go read a Nancy Drew book you half-wit!
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Originally posted by Khyron:
According to you, a statement about her foreign policy experience is the biggest statement in the article. You should be able to explain why you think the statement is true.
Yes it is the biggest statement in the article. The fact that a potential VP, has equal or more experience than a front runner for president is always a treat. Foreign Policy doesn't concern me when it comes to Palin. I already told you what does. You want her foreign policy, why don't you look it up, and share it with me. I'm dying to know as well.
Thanks!!
"That's what you sound like with that aTTItude"
Sarah Silverman
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Err, wait, backing up your claim, isn't that your job, not mine? Ah, forget it. As I said, you're just a troll. I should know better.
Quote:So which one is it?
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Foreign Policy doesn't concern me when it comes to Palin. [...] You want her foreign policy, why don't you look it up, and share it with me. I'm dying to know as well.
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Anyway, it looks as though you are against China.
Many Americans are, and I understand that. All this "Outsourcing" has ruined many lives. But do you know who started the onslaught of foreign trade with China? Mr. Clinton himself. It wasn't Regan, or Bush senior, it was "Slick Willie". A democrat that was supposed to "change" all of economic bad times. Look where we are today. Is the US in sad shape......"you betcha".
I don't know that I'm "against" China with anything like a John Bircher's fervor, but I'm certainly CONCERNED with our massive trade imbalance where they are concerned.
And while you seem to insinuate that all of our hard times today are Clinton's fault, that argument is just so exceedingly weak and tired now, after eight years of "Bushonomics". He's had plenty of time to "correct" the trade imbalances that started with Clinton, but he has increased them rather than decreased them. Bush has had MORE than enough time to prove that his policies work - except that they don't work. Following his policies leads you down a deep, dark hole of debt. First rule when you find yourself in a deep hole? STOP DIGGING!
Mike
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And yet, here's the plan McCain's offering.
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Originally posted by Khyron:
Err, wait, backing up your claim, isn't that your job, not mine? Ah, forget it. As I said, you're just a troll. I should know better.
Your the biggest troll on this site. I won't debate with you anymore. You can't state facts to someone who fabricates things to get them out of a jam. Kind of like Obama.
I guess you do win.....in your mind!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I don't know that I'm "against" China with anything like a John Bircher's fervor, but I'm certainly CONCERNED with our massive trade imbalance where they are concerned.
And while you seem to insinuate that all of our hard times today are Clinton's fault, that argument is just so exceedingly weak and tired now, after eight years of "Bushonomics". He's had plenty of time to "correct" the trade imbalances that started with Clinton, but he has increased them rather than decreased them. Bush has had MORE than enough time to prove that his policies work - except that they don't work. Following his policies leads you down a deep, dark hole of debt. First rule when you find yourself in a deep hole? STOP DIGGING!
I agree with you. Bush could have done something about our trade with China as to not be a complete failure as president. He didn't.
Obama says he's going to eliminate outsourcing.
He probably will be president so Let's hope he holds true to that promise.
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My favorite bit from that editorial, is where he says "I'm sure she has as much or more experience than he does."
Granted, that is Obama's biggest weakness. But at least he has some. Palin had never even been abroad until, what, 2 years ago? And he's "sure", which is, in context, the word people use when they want to believe something, but don't want to run the risk of actually looking, and potentially finding out a truth they don't like.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Did you just call yourself someone who fabricates things to get himself out of a jam?
Originally posted by OPPYH:
You can't state facts to someone who fabricates things to get them out of a jam.
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OPPYH - FYI, this is what a hostile interview looks like:
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Originally posted by swish:
Get off the Fox, OPPYH. No advice was ever involved.
Honestly, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. You're really inventing a scary reality for yourself. You might serve yourself better by fighting real demons, and not those the Karl Rove and his ilk have invented to control your vote.
Obama has already said that rev. Wright was his "spiritual adviser", and "friend". Those are Obama's words not mine.
That would imply that for the twenty years he attended rev. Wright's church, he did indeed get advice from him.
That doesn't bug me though. What bugs me is Obama didn't have the backbone to stand up against the media, and say look, Wright has said some outrageous things, but I'm his friend, and I will continue to support him.
Instead he shunned him immediately. In that instant he showed his true character.
When the going gets tough, turn your back on someone, and all the "bad" will go away!
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When the going gets tough, turn your back on someone, and all the "bad" will go away!
Is that why Sarah Palin has called for Senator Ted Stevens to resign? To make all the "bad" go away?
Mike
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
What bugs me is Obama didn't have the backbone to stand up against the media, and say look, Wright has said some outrageous things, but I'm his friend, and I will continue to support him.
Instead he shunned him immediately.
I'm just wondering if we're remembering the same sequence of events? See, I remember very well the rash of outrage over Wright, I remember it lasting several weeks, I remember several times throughout those weeks when Obama said something along the lines of "I don't agree with this stance he has, but he performed my wedding and baptized my children, he showed me the love of Jesus, he was an important part of my life, this church has been an important part of my life, and I won't condemn him for saying many things I can't agree with."
After the bruhaha died down some, after most people said "look, let's just stop talking about Wright," after he'd thought about the best course of action, there was a spattering of articles saying he was leaving that particular church, that it had been a difficult decision, etc along that vein. I didn't hear anything more about Wright until the last two or three weeks.
Perhaps I'm remembering wrong? Perhaps there's a news site with an archive on it where my black hole memory (not my words) could be checked. I'm just wondering how my recollection would translate as 'immediate shunning.'
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Originally posted by swish:
this is what a hostile interview looks like:
Damn, I'm not sure 'hostile' covers it.
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Perhaps I'm remembering wrong? Perhaps there's a news site with an archive on it where my black hole memory (not my words) could be checked. I'm just wondering how my recollection would translate as 'immediate shunning.'
Ok, so it wasn't an immediate shunning. But come on you know someone for a long time, and then give em the razzle dazzle....it just doesn't add up!
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Quote:Spiritual advisor. Spiritual advisor. Which has nothing to do with setting policy - though religious nutjobs on the right (not referring to you OPPYH, but to folks like Palin) might not ever be able to accept that public office is not about pushing one's religious views on the populace.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Obama has already said that rev. Wright was his "spiritual adviser", and "friend". Those are Obama's words not mine.
Obama addressed this quite clearly when all this mess started. You, apparently, were too busy watching Fox.
Quote:Really? so why'd you bring it up?
That doesn't bug me though.
So, did you watch that interview? Can you see the difference between a skilled politician handling a hostile interview, and a doorknob imploding under easy questions as Palin did?
Though I must admit Biden's interview wasn't that hard to handle, since it was so ridiculous, what could he do but laugh? Well, McCain wouldn't have laughed. Can you imagine? He'd have gone beet red and gritted his teeth with that creepy forced smile....
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Originally posted by swish:
Really? so why'd you bring it up?
So, did you watch that interview? Can you see the difference between a skilled politician handling a hostile interview, and a doorknob imploding under easy questions as Palin did?
I brought it up because Obama turned his back on a friend under pressure from the media. If he wants to attend a church for twenty years to listen to a raving madman that's his business.....more power to him.
Yes, I watched the interview. All the questions were legitimate questions concerned voters have.
Biden set her straight. So what?
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