RNC spent $150,000 on Palin's clothes

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:41 PM

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The Republican National Committee spent about $150,000 on clothing, hair styling, makeup and other "campaign accessories" in September for the McCain campaign after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin joined the ticket as his running mate.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/palin_clothing

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JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:47 PM

I think they fed her too. What nerve!

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:55 PM

How unusual is this, really? Don't they all wear ridiculously expensive clothes and hair styles? And make-up, come to think of it?

I'm no fan of hers, but somehow this doesn't strike me as terribly reproachable, unless it really is out of proportion compared to her peers.

HERO

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:11 PM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I'm no fan of hers, but somehow this doesn't strike me as terribly reproachable, unless it really is out of proportion compared to her peers.

It really is out of proportion. I mean...only $150,000? That seems low. Can't imagine Hillary or Obama being seen in public for less then a quarter million...and John Edwards...

I'm kind of glad we learned our lesson after Katherine Harris. If you find yourself under the national spotlight...for whatever reason...leave the makeup to the professionals.

H

ELVISCHRIST

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:35 PM

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It really is out of proportion. I mean...only $150,000? That seems low. Can't imagine Hillary or Obama being seen in public for less then a quarter million...and John Edwards...

Sure makes John Edwards' $400 haircut look downright cheap by comparison. Sarah Palin's hair and makeup bill alone was over $4500. That's a whole lotta makeup for one pig!

Who knows? Maybe Palin can get the oil industry to reimburse the RNC for all that money. After all, she DID get all her fellow Alaskans a big ol' socialist check from them, in a real effort to "spread the wealth"!

EC

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:35 PM

Well, that's a good point. So I looked it up

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Republican National Committee spent $150,000 to clothe and accessorize Palin since she was picked by McCain in late August. According to financial disclosure records, the bills include $75,063 at Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis and $49,426 at Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York. The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.

Politico also reported that its review of similar records for the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee turned up no similar spending.

My guess is that the Dem candidates buy their own?

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HERO

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:50 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
My guess is that the Dem candidates buy their own?

I hear they harvested Biden's Botox from Charlie Rangle's (D, NY) ass.

H

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:53 PM

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I hear they harvested Biden's Botox from Charlie Rangle's (D, NY) ass.

Or maybe from your brain?

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ELVISCHRIST

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:58 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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I hear they harvested Biden's Botox from Charlie Rangle's (D, NY) ass.

Or maybe from your brain?

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Seems more likely.

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:24 PM

Palin has received the equivalent of $2,500 in clothes per day from places such as Saks Fifth Avenue (where RNC expenditures totaled nearly $50,000) and Neiman Marcus (where the governor had a $75,000 spree).

...and I think I know why...
off the rack K-Mart couture....below
(what's she got on her legs?)

Palin in an Alaska supermarket in June...a few months before she got her clothing allowance.

and what's up with this?

7-year-old Piper carries a Louis Vuitton bag on September 11th....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/palin-clothes-spending-ha_n_1
36740.html

RUE

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:34 PM

Just 'cause you dress from K-Mart doesn't mean you have to wear pants with a dress.

On a side note - has anyone noticed how limp the poor baby is ? He's like a rag doll. I know poor muscle tone in one of the symptoms of Down's syndrome (though technically, it's not a syndrome anymore), and some children are more affected than others - and the kid looks not long for this world.

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:38 PM

If I were a Republican trying desperately to help get Senator McCain elected, I think I would have to think twice before sending that $100 or $200 contribution to this campaign. Let her buy her own damn clothes.

(but there is that adage about the silk purse and the sow's ear...)

ERIC

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:47 PM

Hmm...Maybe this is their economic stimulus package?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:55 PM

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On a side note - has anyone noticed how limp the poor baby is ?

Yeah, I've been looking. He's quiet and limp in every picture I've seen. I know Downs is a mosaic disease, but I didn't realize that it could be fatal. Poor kid.

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WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:59 PM

Sigy,

Dude.....now youve dropped to making fun of a baby with Downs?

Thats pretty low.

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:02 PM

.....that seemed like genuine concern to me.....

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:06 PM

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Dude.....now youve dropped to making fun of a baby with Downs?

Making fun??? Heavens no!

How did it come across THAT way???

I have a DD who was brain-damaged at birth.

I know some peeps with Downs who were in my DD's classes. Some are more affected than others. I heard that it has to do with how much genetic material is copied (whole chromosome or only portions). But the kid looks really really limp, so I'm guessing he's one of the more affected ones. Poor kid, I just feel sorry for him.

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RUE

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:08 PM

Trig Palin was born April 18 - that makes him roughly 6 months old. After being born (roughly 87% die in utero) the first year of life is the most dangerous for a Down's syndrome baby. The chances of dying in the first year depend on how many cardiac or GI tract abnormalities the child had, with heart problems the biggest concern. After the first year, lifespan is determined by 'coping skills' - ability to feed themselves and walk. Sadly, Trig appears to be in the 'severely affected' group.

Sorry to take the thread off-topic. It's just that his severe limpness was something I noticed after the VP debate, and it shows up quite clearly in the photo. Some were looking at Palin's dress and pants - I first looked at Trig.

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WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:11 PM

Sigy,

Apologies if that was not your intent.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:13 PM

Just a misunderstanding is all.

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:21 PM

why can't she just wear her beauty pageant tiara all the time?

here is the make-up bill....

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The Sleuth has learned that Palin's high-paid traveling make-up artist is Amy Strozzi, who was nominated for an Emmy Award for her work as head of makeup on "So You Think You Can Dance." Strozzi was paid $13,200 by the McCain-Palin campaign last month alone, according to the campaign's latest financial disclosure report filed this week.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/10/httpwwwpoliticocomnews
stories1.html

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:27 PM

...while we are on the subject of the Republican heart-throb, i would like to note the polls indicating that Palin is now considered the biggest drag on the McCain election campaign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/21/the-palin-effect-from-bad_n_1
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nice thinking there Steve...

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:32 PM

....and... a retrospective of the Palin hair....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/sarah-palins-hair-a-retro_n_1
36830.html

gawd.... this is just waaay more than i ever wanted to know about this woman...ack!

HERO

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Sorry to take the thread off-topic. It's just that his severe limpness was something I noticed after the VP debate, and it shows up quite clearly in the photo. Some were looking at Palin's dress and pants - I first looked at Trig.

Well said.

I note for the record that Trig is likely being extremely well cared for. Probably has constant monitoring by Secret Service and a Doctor on-call.

I further note that its fracking cold in Alaska...so wearing pants with a dress is probably good sense.

H

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:58 PM

Yanno, just as an out of the blue thought...

Maybe we should make our politicals wear uniforms, something like the UPS jumpsuit in a nice civil service tan with patches indicating branch and function.

Issue em on hire, and have en turned in when they're out of office.

Might also help remind the bastards that they work FOR us, not vice versa.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KWICKO

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:58 PM

This is the party that wants to portray Obama as "elitist" and "a snob"? Seriously? $150K in ONE FREAKING MONTH on nothing but clothes, shoes, hair, and makeup.

It's a good thing we're not in any kind of financial crisis right now, or this could come across very badly...

Couldn't she have just said "Thanks, but no thanks..." on that shopping spree to nowhere? Oh, yah, sure, you betcha!

I hope she really loves those clothes, because she's going to be wearing them for a LONG, LONG TIME once she gets her ass sent back to Alaska.

And for the $150K, couldn't they have bought a few more votes, or at least hired one or two campaign workers? Or paid a lobbyist for a day or two?

Mike

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KWICKO

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:00 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Yanno, just as an out of the blue thought...

Maybe we should make our politicals wear uniforms, something like the UPS jumpsuit in a nice civil service tan with patches indicating branch and function.

Issue em on hire, and have en turned in when they're out of office.

Might also help remind the bastards that they work FOR us, not vice versa.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

There's beauty and simplicity in that idea...

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

Trolls Against McCain!

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:10 PM

How come we never heard how much $$ was spent on Hillary ?

Complete and total double standard.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:26 PM

....don't think the DNC had to foot the bill for Hillary

STORYMARK

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How come we never heard how much $$ was spent on Hillary ?

Complete and total double standard.

You don't seem to have a problem with double-standards when it's your guys doing it. How much bitching did the right do about Edwards' haircut? At least he actually paid the campaign back for that expense.

But really, I could care less about this. If that's how the RNC wants to spend their money, that's between them, and their contributors.

I'm much more interested in the news that Palin was useing taxpayer money to pay for her children's trips.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:

....don't think the DNC had to foot the bill for Hillary

Silly me, that was the US TAXPAYERS!

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

You don't seem to have a problem with double-standards when it's your guys doing it. How much bitching did the right do about Edwards' haircut? At least he actually paid the campaign back for that expense.

But really, I could care less about this. If that's how the RNC wants to spend their money, that's between them, and their contributors.

I'm much more interested in the news that Palin was useing taxpayer money to pay for her children's trips.

Where's the double standard? I thought the issue w/ MyLittlePony Edwards was his " 2 America's " b.s. that he was spouting. Clearly, he was living in 1, and pretending to care about the other one. Only later on, did we come to find out that MyLittlePony really WAS living in 2 America's . His and the one of his mistress!

Back on point, I'm also more concerned about the whole Palin brood traveling w/ Mama when there only seems to have been a legitimate case to be made for just her traveling. If she WANTS to bring the kiddies, fine, but she should do it on HER wallet. Folks out there sending $$ in to the GOP cause aren't doing so to have the PALIN FAMILY VACATION stay at 5 star suites while $$ for advertising dries up. That deserves an explanation, imo.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:38 PM

Saint Rap, self-appointed martyr for the 'truth', hypocrisy practitioner and racist bigot

DLV
"....don't think the DNC had to foot the bill for Hillary."

Rap
"Silly me, that was the US TAXPAYERS!"

Damn, but DLV was right and --- what a surprise --- you're wrong yet again ! Hillary did not use public funds during the primaries. (BTW Neither did Obama. McCain OTOH tried to have it both ways - tapping into public funding but then not having spending limits imposed. )

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You really can't.

KWICKO

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:43 PM

On the bright side, now she's got a different snazzy new outfit to wear when she visits each of John McCain's 7 or 10 houses!

KWICKO

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:48 PM

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Folks out there sending $$ in to the GOP cause aren't doing so to have the PALIN FAMILY VACATION stay at 5 star suites while $$ for advertising dries up. That deserves an explanation, imo.

It might be worse than you think, too - apparently, several of those trips were paid for by the state of Alaska's taxpayers, not by the GOP - seems some of them were trips taken before she was picked for McCain's VP choice. One of the trips they mentioned in detail involved Palin going to New York City to attend a 5-hour conference. According to sources, she took her daughter Bristol with her on the taxpayers' dime, and stayed 5 days and 4 nights in a luxury hotel with Bristol, all for a 5-hour conference!

Mike

RUE

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:49 PM

"On the bright side, now she's got a different snazzy new outfit to wear when she visits each of John McCain's 7 or 10 houses!"

I heard a reasonable explanation about that house thing. You see, Cindy made John sign a pre-nup. Maybe John has one house (or maybe none), but Cindy has all the rest, and in her name only. Now which is more embarrassing to say:
1) I don't remember how many houses I have, or
2) I don't know how many my wife has, she didn't tell me.

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KWICKO

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:54 PM

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gawd.... this is just waaay more than i ever wanted to know about this woman...ack!

And yet, so much LESS than we need to know about her. Seems like if a candidate won't talk to the media (about the real issues or anything else), the media will go looking anywhere they can - and they might just find something!

Mike

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STORYMARK

Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Where's the double standard? I thought the issue w/ MyLittlePony Edwards was his " 2 America's " b.s. that he was spouting. Clearly, he was living in 1, and pretending to care about the other one. Only later on, did we come to find out that MyLittlePony really WAS living in 2 America's . His and the one of his mistress!

Hmm, you don't see the double-standard where one politician is critisized over and over for an expensive haircut, and then the same people say it's no biggie when another politician spends more than most people make in a year on clothes?

Not terribly surprising.

But nice way to talk around the issue. You are very good at that.

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Back on point, I'm also more concerned about the whole Palin brood traveling w/ Mama when there only seems to have been a legitimate case to be made for just her traveling. If she WANTS to bring the kiddies, fine, but she should do it on HER wallet. Folks out there sending $$ in to the GOP cause aren't doing so to have the PALIN FAMILY VACATION stay at 5 star suites while $$ for advertising dries up. That deserves an explanation, imo.

Well, I guess we can agree on something.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:02 AM

The thing about Palin is, she's saved the state of Alaska far more than the 150,000 that the GOP paid for her clothes, so there's really no dobule standard here , what so ever.

MyLittlePony Edwards spoke of one world , yet lived in another. He never saved any tax payer's any $$. Sarah Palin did.

Not talking around the issue in the least. I just find it funny that the tiniest infraction, the smallest of nonsensical issues for Palin and it's blown up all over creation. Meanwhile, Obama, the ' PREZ ' wanna be , was a US Senator less than 200 days before he decided to run for the White House. He has ABSOLUTELY ZERO experience, is friends w/ socialist, terrorist, and wants to redistribute the wealth in a country which was founded on FREEDOM.

You idiots want that? Fine by me. Screw yourselves all you want.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KWICKO

Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:07 AM

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He has ABSOLUTELY ZERO experience...

There you go lying yet again. ZERO experience? As in, NONE? EVER?

He's never held an elected office in his life?

Or were you just exaggerating, which is a polite euphemism for "lying"?

Speaking of "socialism", tell me again what Sarah Palin did as Governor of Alaska when she extorted money from oil companies so that she could "spread the wealth" to her less-fortunate fellow Alaskans. How is that NOT "socialism" - she took profits from the rich and gave them away to the poor, who had done nothing to earn them! It's not only socialism, it's also [GASP!] WELFARE!!

Mike

GEEZER

Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:17 PM

Sadly, this is in response to the double standard as applied to men and women candidates. A man can show up in his everyday business attire, even if it's off the rack at Men's Wearhouse, and no one says a thing. If a woman candidate shows up the least bit out of style, her clothing choice somehow takes on political overtones.

Sen. Clinton didn't have a problem with this, since she's got plenty of money to spend on couture, and is located close to the right stores and fashion houses. Gov. Palin isn't rich, and probably hasn't had much time to shop the sales at Saks, being in Alaska and all, so the RNC decided to spend less money than it takes to show one political ad on national TV to get her up to speed, wardrobe-wise.

Big deal.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:39 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I just find it funny that the tiniest infraction, the smallest of nonsensical issues for Palin and it's blown up all over creation. Meanwhile, Obama, the ' PREZ ' wanna be , was a US Senator less than 200 days before he decided to run for the White House. He has ABSOLUTELY ZERO experience, is friends w/ socialist, terrorist, and wants to redistribute the wealth in a country which was founded on FREEDOM.

You idiots want that? Fine by me. Screw yourselves all you want.

You're barely scraping the surface of Obama's negatives.

Tony Rezko, conviced felon slum lord, gave Obama his first job, gave him money for a house. From Rezko, Obama moved on to Bill Ayers, where together they spent $ 60 million dollars NOT on education, but radical "education" ala Ayers type education.

So Obama's first 2 jobs were with the sleaziest, slimiest, and most vile contemptable figures around. Obama, a Harvard brain, was either TOO FUCKING STUPID to know about these men, or he was TOO FUCKING AMBITIOUS to give a shit about their nefarious backgrounds. Either way, it tells everyone with a clear mind that Obama has NO character, and is just an opportunist of the most despicable kind.

Then there's ACORN. Obama trained their field people in the community, he provided legal services for them, and to this day he and his campaign gave them $800,000 to continue their voter fraud activities.

Rev Wright, Rev Flaeger, and the big Kahuna of racist hatred himself Farrakhan have all been friends and mentors of little Barack, call me Barry, Obama. He walked in the milliion man march with Farrakhan. Isn't that special.

Boy that Obama is quite a guy! Team him up with San Francisco Values lady Nancy Pelosi, and one can clearly see the end of America in sight. I pity you young people who really don't know any better. You've been swept up in a frenzy of Bush/Cheney hatred, but you know not what you are about to do to your own futures. " I came into Egypt a Pharoah who did not know." Very sad indeed.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:50 PM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:

I'm no fan of hers, but somehow this doesn't strike me as terribly reproachable, unless it really is out of proportion compared to her peers.

So, if they all spend that kind of money on clothes & stuff, it's okay? That's sick. What was spent on one person's clothes would feed & house 3 families for a year.
Anyone that throws money around like that while pretending to feel our pain is reprehensible IMHO.

Grrrrisall

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:55 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:

I'm no fan of hers, but somehow this doesn't strike me as terribly reproachable, unless it really is out of proportion compared to her peers.
So, if they all spend that kind of money on clothes & stuff, it's okay? That's sick. What was spent on one person's clothes would feed & house 3 families for a year.
Anyone that throws money around like that while pretending to feel our pain is reprehensible IMHO.

Grrrrisall

Oh the horror!....It's reprehensible!... They actually paid for some of her meals too! You people are hopelessly pathetic, and I'm LAUGHING MY ASS off over your endlessly entertaining hysterics. By the way, what about the $ 150 MILLION DOLLARS Obama is spending just this month on his deceitful ads against McCain? No problem there I'm sure, right? $ 150 million could have bought some of those drunks and drug addicts that ACORN registers a few Big Macs dontcha think?

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:59 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Obama, a Harvard brain, was either TOO FUCKING STUPID to know about these men, or he was TOO FUCKING AMBITIOUS to give a shit about their nefarious backgrounds.

Which makes Obama different from McCain & Palin & Bush & Cheney & Clinton & Reagan & Nixon ETeffinC., HOW EXACTLY????

Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:09 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

By the way, what about the $ 150 MILLION DOLLARS Obama is spending just this month on his deceitful ads against McCain?

First, the ads are no more deceitful than McCains, second, it's money he raised specifically FOR that purpose, third, it's not for a gorram weekend wardrobe....

When peeps like you fail to be impressed one way or the other by ads from candidates, maybe stupid money will cease to be thrown at them...y'think?

Chrisisall

HERO

Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:16 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
First, the ads are no more deceitful than McCains...

Without regard to content, measuring quantity alone Obama's ads are 3-1 more deceitful the McCains'.

H

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:23 PM

The RNC has stated the clothes will be auctioned off for charity after the election; a little detail the dirty lying Dems conspicuously omit.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Tony Rezko, conviced felon slum lord, gave Obama his first job, gave him money for a house.

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On the defensive over the extent of multiple McCain homes, the GOP candidate strikes back. But his TV spot gives an oversimplified and misleading account of how Obama bought his own $1.6 million house in Chicago.

The ad says Chicago power broker Tony Rezko got "political favors" including "$14 million from taxpayers." But there's no evidence of any connection to the Obama home purchase. The $14 million was to build apartments for low-income seniors. Obama wrote a letter supporting the "worthy" project, but both men say Rezko didn't ask for the letter.

It says Rezko "purchased part of the property [Obama] couldn't afford." Rezko's wife did buy an adjoining tract but later sold the land at a profit. Obama paid market price for his home.

McCain launched the attack after Obama ran one capitalizing on McCain's inability to recall for an interviewer how many homes the McCains own. Obama's ad says it's seven. The best tally we've seen puts the figure at eight, counting all the apartments and homes owned by McCain's wife, Cindy, and various family trusts, for themselves and their children.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:35 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
From Rezko, Obama moved on to Bill Ayers, where together they spent $ 60 million dollars...

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UPI, Aug. 27: Reporters reviewing records in Chicago have so far found nothing startling in documents linking Sen. Barack Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers.

more here on this subject

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

there are places on the interwebs that provide facts - not malicious lies...

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:59 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Obama, a Harvard brain, was either TOO FUCKING STUPID to know about these men, or he was TOO FUCKING AMBITIOUS to give a shit about their nefarious backgrounds.
Which makes Obama different from McCain & Palin & Bush & Cheney & Clinton & Reagan & Nixon ETeffinC., HOW EXACTLY????

I thought you'd be old and wise enough to understand you don't excuse poor behavior and bad judgement by pointing fingers at others in an attempt at moral or ethical equivalency.

Besides, none of those you mention were mentored by or hired by slum lords, un-repentant Terrorist bombers of the US Capitol and Pentagon, or renowned racists and America haters like Obama has been weaned on all his life.

Mr. Isall, I'm quite disappointed in you. You're too old to be so naive and obtuse.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

RUE

Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:53 PM

Jong - may I call you Erica ?

Anyway, McCain was too stupid to know about WHO again ? Todd Palin, John Singlaub, the Contras (which he personally funded) and G. Gordon Liddy for example ?

And WOW - talk about sleeze - can you say Charles Keating ? Sure you can.

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The Contras:

They took out their knives and stuck them under his fingernails. After they took his fingernails off, then they broke his elbows. Afterwards they gouged out his eyes. Then they took their bayonets and made all sorts of slices in his skin all around his chest, arms, and legs. They then took his hair off and the skin of his scalp. When they saw there was nothing left to do with him, they threw gasoline on him and burned him. The next day they started the same thing with a 13 year old girl. They did more or less the same, but they did other things to her too. First, she was utilized, raped by all the officers. They stripped her and threw her in a small room, they went in one by one. Afterwards they took her out tied and blindfolded. Then they began the same mutilating, pulling her fingernails out and cutting off her fingers, breaking her arms, gouging out her eyes and all they did to the other fellow. They cut her legs and stuck an iron rod into her womb.

Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart. The men had their arms broken and their testicles cut off and their eyes poked out. They were then killed by slitting their throats and pulling the tongue out through the slit.

I am in charge of a parish in the north of Nicaragua. My parishioners built a school, a health centre, a cultural centre. We have lived in peace. A few months ago a Contra force attacked the parish. They destroyed everything: the school, the health centre, the cultural centre. They raped nurses and teachers, slaughtered doctors, in the most brutal manner. They behaved like savages. Please demand that the US government withdraw its support from this shocking terrorist activity.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:30 PM

Rue, you're a sad excuse for a human being. A spinner extraordinnaire, and totally full of horseshit as always. Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were the bad guys in Nicaragua. I guess your little Wiki cite book messed up that detail.

And I'm sure you'll be one of the first ones to jump out of a window when McCain wins. Hopefully you won't land on and injure a Republican in the process.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

RIGHTEOUS9

Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:43 PM

I've asked this before, and still never gotten an answer from any righty here.

why are you okay with voting Sarah Palin into the White House?

Does anybody truly believe she's qualified?

And if no, don't you give a fuck that she isn't?

....

if yes...

uh...

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?!

..........

also, can somebody give me examples of democratic candidates who were as completely lost as Dan Quayle, George W. and Sarah Palin?

We may have our gaffers, but those 3 are some serious dummies(in the sense of being underlearned and uninquisitive - I make no claims to their actual intelligence)

Is it just the GOP who can get away with this? Does this say something about the GOP voter base? or are there real examples of this on the democratic side of things that I just can't think of?

RUE

Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:44 PM

Erica,

"Rue, you're a sad excuse for a human being. A spinner extraordinnaire, and totally full of horseshit as always. Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were the bad guys in Nicaragua. I guess your little Wiki cite book messed up that detail."

You are an ignorant blob, in the ranks with Rap.

Here is the Wiki information you couldn't be bothered to look up:

... organization is generally referred to by the initials FSLN and its members are called, in both English and Spanish, Sandinistas. This term comes from the anti-imperialist struggle of Augusto César Sandino during the 1930s.

The FLSN overthrew the Somoza regime in 1979, establishing a revolutionary government in its place.[1][2] Following their seizure of power, the Sandinistas ruled Nicaragua for roughly 11 years from 1979 to 1990, first as part of a Junta of National Reconstruction. Following the resignation of centrist members from this Junta, the FSLN effectively took exclusive power in March 1981. In 1984 there were elections which were very widely observed and almost universally declared to be free and fair in which they won the majority of the votes.

Upon assuming power, the FSLNs political platform included the following, nationalization of property owned by the Somozas and their collaborators; land reform; improved rural and urban working conditions; free unionization for all workers, both urban and rural; price fixing for commodities of basic necessity; improved public services, housing conditions, education; abolition of torture, political assassination and the death penalty; protection of democratic liberties; Equality for women; non-aligned foreign policy; formation of a 'popular army' under the leadership of the FSLN and Humberto Ortega.

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Silence is consent.

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:51 PM

Quote:
Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were the bad guys in Nicaragua.

Yes, they were so terrible they threw out a corrupt dictator (Somoza), increased literacy from 50% to 87%, set up rural medical clinics, lowered the infant mortality rate, eliminated polio, and distributed land to small farmers. (Those dastardly socialists increased private ownership!)

Sheesh! How dare they do all that bad stuff????

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Let's party like its 1929.

KWICKO

Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:14 PM

Quote:

I thought you'd be old and wise enough to understand you don't excuse poor behavior and bad judgement by pointing fingers at others in an attempt at moral or ethical equivalency.

You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is EXACTLY what you're doing, and all you've EVER DONE.

KWICKO

Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:18 PM

Quote:

Is it just the GOP who can get away with this? Does this say something about the GOP voter base? or are there real examples of this on the democratic side of things that I just can't think of?

Yes, they actually, actively DESPISE intellectualism and intelligence. In this regard, they are absolutely no different from Mao Tse-Tung, the Khmer Rouge, or the Third Reich. Kill all the smart people, and the dumb ones will fall in line. This is EXACTLY the America that the Republicans want and strive for.

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:25 PM

I was all ready to pounce on Sarah Palin's latest dealings with the McCain Maverick Party's rendition of "My Fair Lady" (By George, I think she's got it), BTW what are Soccer Moms wearing these days?

But, alas, I thought to myself What's the Big Deal? What self-respecting VP candidate, with a million dollar bod, would turn down a chance to look like - well, a million bucks? (For a brief moment I thought of using Hil as an example, but then I said "Nah" it's just not the same).

Family scandals, mysterious expenditures and "colorful truths" aside I thought "there's gotta be a better way" to respond without resorting to name-calling and mudslinging. Then I came across an interesting article - from a Republican no less.

Read on my friends, Country first!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-goldwater/why-mccain-has-lost-our-v_b
_137150.html

Rumors of my death have been extremely exaggerated.

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:30 PM

The article says

Quote:
... the Republican brand has been tarnished in a shameless effort to gain votes and appeal to the lowest emotion, fear.

That's the problem in a nutshell. It ends with

Quote:
After the last eight years, there's a lot of clean up do. Roll up your sleeves, Senators Obama and Biden, and we Goldwaters will roll ours up with you.

Amen!

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Let's party like its 1929.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Daniel Ortega's Sandanistas were the bad guys in Nicaragua.
Yes, they were so terrible they threw out a corrupt dictator (Somoza), increased literacy from 50% to 87%, set up rural medical clinics, lowered the infant mortality rate, eliminated polio, and distributed land to small farmers. (Those dastardly socialists increased private ownership!)

Sheesh! How dare they do all that bad stuff????

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The Sandanistas were brutal Communists. That's right, I forgot you're a Communist too. Figures you and Rue defend them. I hear things under Communism are just swell in Cuba and China, so why wouldn't you be living there? Those country's dictators take care of their people real well too. And if you ever could get hold of a time machine you could go back to 1930's Russia and try life under Stalin for a while. I hear that was a real hoot.

KWICKO

Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:57 PM

You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?

A hundred and fifty thousand dollar wardrobe!

RUE

Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:00 PM

Erica, Erica, Erica ...

Can't you get anything right either ? All I can figure is you've been hanging with Rap too much and, well, whatever he's got, it's catchy. Ya' gotta' stop having close contact like that.

I hope you're better soon. I'm sure a little sanity in your life would be a welcome reprieve from confusion and delusion.

Meanwhile, try learning the definitions of socialism and communism. Then go back and try to find where SignyM is either one. Consider it a form of rehabilitation therapy.

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Silence is consent.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?

A hundred and fifty thousand dollar wardrobe!

Yer a regular riot! Yer so funny & clever you should be on Bill Maher show with all the other fringe retards & insane people.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Erica, Erica, Erica ...

Can't you get anything right either ? All I can figure is you've been hanging with Rap too much and, well, whatever he's got, it's catchy. Ya' gotta' stop having close contact like that.

I hope you're better soon. I'm sure a little sanity in your life would be a welcome reprieve from confusion and delusion.

Meanwhile, try learning the definitions of socialism and communism. Then go back and try to find where SignyM is either one. Consider it a form of rehabilitation therapy.

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Silence is consent.

Oh...Erica Jong, the author...I get it now. Wow, you really grabbed the brass ring with that one. You're a hopeless idiot Rue. I wish you'd stop responding to me. It is not desired, so other than trying to impress your motley crew of limp-wristed jerkoff followers here, I guess you do it because you cannot control the madness that flows from your obviously drug-damaged half-brain. Every thought in your fat head is fucked up. You need some re-education.

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" OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT." Joe Biden

" The Presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training." Hillary Clinton

" Obama played the race card against Hillary." Bill Clinton

" Obama and the media played the race card against me." Geraldine Ferraro

" Barack is saying he doesn't like me now because he's just being a politician." Rev Jeremiah Wright (smiling)

RUE

Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:25 PM

Has anyone else noticed that Erica is as twitchy as a tweaker ?

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Silence is consent.

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:28 PM

Quote:
The Sandanistas were brutal Communists.

Show me how they were more brutal than Somoza or the Contras. Bring me some facts: Comparatively how many people did they kill? How many people did they torture? How many people starved due to their policies? You know the saying Handsome is as handsome does? Or maybe this one: By their works you shall know them? Instead of just reacting to the labels that someone told you, why don't you go find some truth?

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Let's party like its 1929.

STORYMARK

Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yes, they actually, actively DESPISE intellectualism and intelligence. In this regard, they are absolutely no different from Mao Tse-Tung, the Khmer Rouge, or the Third Reich. Kill all the smart people, and the dumb ones will fall in line. This is EXACTLY the America that the Republicans want and strive for.

Mike

Don't forget hating "the gays", and taking the "anyone who disagrees - is a TRAITOR!" stance.

They really have checked off all the basic first steps of a facist state.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:15 PM

Quote:
The RNC has stated the clothes will be auctioned off for charity after the election; a little detail the dirty lying Dems conspicuously omit.

I want a cite for that.

No, I don't believe you - but IF you can come up with confirmation from an official source, and I mean official, like the RNC themselves, not some shill piece, then it becomes a non-issue for me.

I am still thinkin the uniforms idea is a pretty good one, cause I could care less if my candidate shops at K-mart or Family Dollar, I care how they do the job, yanno ?

Which candidate is the ONLY one who returns a substantial portion of their office operating costs budget to the treasury without fail, every single year ?

Any guesses ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:42 PM

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Besides, none of those you mention were mentored by or hired by slum lords, un-repentant Terrorist bombers of the US Capitol and Pentagon, or renowned racists and America haters like Obama has been weaned on all his life.

No they were despicable in DIFFERENT ways, you dork!!!
I can't even talk you you about this stuff- the Sandinistas were the BAD GUYS?!?!?!?!
Moral equivalency something to avoid...like you do?!?!?!
What are you now? The anti-matter PirateNews???
And what were YOU weaned on? McCarthy hearings?!?!?!?

I thought YOU were too old to be obtuse!!!!

The retaliatory Chrisisall

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
... twitchy as a tweaker ?

KWICKO

Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:59 PM

Quote:
Jongs wrote:

You need some re-education.

Spoken like a true fascist! Send all those who disagree with you to the re-education camps!

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

KWICKO

Friday, October 24, 2008 12:24 AM

So here we have Sarah Palin, the self-professed "Joe Six-Pack hockey mom, who's skrimpin' and strugglin' to pay the bills, don'tcha know", and who's trying to persuade us all that she's just an average mom and a small-town populist with "real American" values. Meanwhile, she's strutting around with a hundred and fifty large worth of designer clothes and nearly $5k just in hair and makeup.

Does anything seem out of place in this picture? Does this sound like your average housewife and mom? Isn't this the kind of hypocrisy that got John Edwards in trouble with his populist rhetoric and $400 haircuts? (We're talking BEFORE his sleazy affairs were revealed and confirmed)

Doesn't Palin come across as an elitist? A snob? Over eighteen grand a WEEK on clothes? Who the hell does she think she is? A CELEBRITY?! Paris Hilton?

Will she have a sex-tape coming out soon?

Of course, realistically, the issue that's much more important in the real scheme of things is her lying on her expense reports and bilking the people of Alaska out of over twenty grand - but the GOP would be just as happy to focus on her clothes-horse status and NOT have to address the REAL issues, right?

It says something about her character, is what I'm saying...

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

KIRKULES

Friday, October 24, 2008 12:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
so other than trying to impress your motley crew of limp-wristed jerkoff followers here, I guess you do it because you cannot control the madness that flows from your obviously drug-damaged half-brain. Every thought in your fat head is fucked up. You need some re-education.

I'm with you Jong, but they'd have to be educated first before they could be re-educated. They think facts are the things they all come up with in the endless liberal circle jerks that go on around here. They wouldn't know a fact if it was delivered to them on a stone tablet by their savior Barack Obama. It seems pretty pointless even trying to discuss facts with them they don't understand the concept, but they do seem to understand a properly placed go fuck yourself.

REAVERMAN

Friday, October 24, 2008 1:11 AM

God, as much as I despise Obama for being a Socialist prick, Palin really has me considering voting for him, or possibly not voting at all. Everytime the woman opens her mouth, some new idiocy seems to spew forth, while at the same time, interesting little tidbits like her clothes budget crop up.

I'm about this close (*holds fingers slightly apart*) to just saying "fuck it" and giving up on democracy altogether. Every single election we choose between some douchebag and a moron to lead the country. I don't think I've seen a single election where one of the candidates seemed capable of handling the job effectively and responsibly.

*sigh* [/rant]

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"As if that blind rage had washed me clean, rid me of hope; for the first time, in that night alive with signs and stars, I opened myself to the gentle indifference of the world. Finding it so much like myself—so like a brother, really—I felt that I had been happy and that I was happy again. For everything to be consummated, for me to feel less alone, I had only to wish that there be a large crowd of spectators the day of my execution and that they greet me with cries of hate."

-The Stranger

RUE

Friday, October 24, 2008 1:13 AM

"They wouldn't know a fact if it was delivered to them on a stone tablet ..."

Cites please.

I see a post VERY long on opinion (and hate), and very short on actual ... facts.

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BTW - FWIW I am not an Obama supporter. I am simply anti-McCain. It's simply defensive voting.

KIRKULES

Friday, October 24, 2008 1:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Reaverman:
God, as much as I despise Obama for being a Socialist prick, Palin really has me considering voting for him, or possibly not voting at all. Everytime the woman opens her mouth, some new idiocy seems to spew forth, while at the same time, interesting little tidbits like her clothes budget crop up.

I'm about this close (*holds fingers slightly apart*) to just saying "fuck it" and giving up on democracy altogether. Every single election we choose between some douchebag and a moron to lead the country. I don't think I've seen a single election where one of the candidates seemed capable of handling the job effectively and responsibly.

*sigh* [/rant]

I completely understand were you are coming from. I would be flipping a coin to help me decide if personalities had anything to do with my decision. I find Obama a much more pleasant person than McCain but can't understand peoples negative feeling about Palin. I hope you will leave the personalities aside and vote for the person whose policies most closely resemble your positions. Policies are all that really matters to me because I already don't like the next President no matter what.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 24, 2008 3:01 AM

Too bloody true Kirk - but it's comin pretty clear were likely to get stuck with jugears, so I say we make the best of it by bein ready, willin and able to crack his hand with a ruler every time he steps outta line.

He'd be if naught else, a useful interm for us to put the leash back on and remind those on the hill who the hell they supposedly work for.

Not like those drinkin his koolaid are likely to, so it's down to us - you with me ?

-F

ODESSA762

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:02 AM

What's the big deal with the clothes? Tracey Schmitt, spokesman for the McCain/Palin campaign, says the clothes will be donated after the campaign. The info is out there if you look around a little. Big deal...

What's the problem with either party doing everything possible to present their candidates in the best possible light?

Would it be better if she campaigned in sweats & a hairnet? Would the media give her a break then?

Where do the Dems get their clothes? I see Palin getting slammed, but I see no mention of how that compares directly to the Dem ticket.

How about staying focused on the issues, mmmk?

I have a serious question that I have not seen Senator Obama answer or address...

Does anyone know if he will make the Bush tax cuts permanent if he is elected? Or will he allow them to expire ... thereby raising taxes on all of us?

KWICKO

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:48 AM

Quote:

Does anyone know if he will make the Bush tax cuts permanent if he is elected? Or will he allow them to expire ... thereby raising taxes on all of us?

I believe he's said repeatedly that he'd let them expire. I don't get how that qualifies as "raising taxes on all of us", though; these are the tax cuts that Bush gave to the top 5% - those who net over $250,000 per year. Hardly "all of us". The vast majority of "all of us" - some 95% - would either see no increase (those at the very bottom) or an actual tax DECREASE under Obama's plan.

It should also be noted that McCain voted AGAINST the Bush tax cuts, saying that they were unnecessary. So he was against them before he was for them. Just another of his many flip-flops. I'd bet cashy money that McCain would let them expire, too.

Mike

ODESSA762

Friday, October 24, 2008 5:32 AM

I dunno - at the time, I was grossing exactly 52K a year, and my taxes went down under Bush's tax plan (I netted a little more each pay period - I took a look at my pay stubs...yeah, jeeze, I save them! *shrug*). I also recall getting a check from the gov.

So, it looks like my taxes will go back up if either candidate lets the plan expire, if you are correct about Senator McCain, Kwicko. yuk

Here's the thing I don't get about raising taxes on folks that earn over 250K...how does raising taxes on my boss (Big Bucks!) make things better for the nation? If the gov takes more of his money, he is going to look for way to get that money back somehow - he is used to getting $XXXXXX every month from his business. If his taxes go up, he will just give himself a raise to compensate for the increased taxes. That money has to come from someplace. If his business earnings stay the same, he has to cut business cost's someplace, right? I know he would resist cutting staff, but he would cut other expenses around the shop. He might alter our 401k plan, or our health benefits. Hell, today I asked for cash to replace some flourescent light bulbs that are out. I got turned down! ("Let's see how business is on Friday"). If cutting back on little things like that don't get him back to where he was pre-tax increase, he will - reluctantly - start to cut staff.

Seems to me that that scenario would put a strain on the gov ... if more folks lose their jobs or even if they just have their benefits cut.

I am no economist, so I don't know if I am missing something here, but raising taxes on the nation's job creators isn't really making sense to me.

I don't have much faith in a government run health care system, either. I have first hand experience with gov-run medical programs (Carter & Reagan VA) ... not attractive.

Time to dig around a little more on each campaign's respective site...

I really thought I had my mind made up....

YIKES! Sorry for all the off-topic stuff gang!

AGENTROUKA

Friday, October 24, 2008 6:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

I'm no fan of hers, but somehow this doesn't strike me as terribly reproachable, unless it really is out of proportion compared to her peers.
So, if they all spend that kind of money on clothes & stuff, it's okay? That's sick. What was spent on one person's clothes would feed & house 3 families for a year.
Anyone that throws money around like that while pretending to feel our pain is reprehensible IMHO.

Grrrrisall

I don't find it more reproachable in her than in anyone else. This thread focused on her specifically, and it seemed unlikely to me that there was a very good reason for that exclusive focus.

Is it right that they spend this sort of money on looking good on camera, while talking about the struggles of average people? Obviously, it is a kind of hypocrisy, and obviously the money could be better spent. But everyone does it because they have to be like a celebrity to get people's attention, it seems. Great hair, great face, great clothes, memorable buzz words.

But that's a problem much bigger than one person or one election season. So why pretend it isn't and pick on just one person?

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, October 24, 2008 6:30 AM

Campbell Brown sees the sexist double standard :

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/23/campbell-brown-the-sexist-double
-standard-on-palins-wardrobe/

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, October 24, 2008 6:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Odessa762:

Here's the thing I don't get about raising taxes on folks that earn over 250K...how does raising taxes on my boss (Big Bucks!) make things better for the nation? If the gov takes more of his money, he is going to look for way to get that money back somehow - he is used to getting $XXXXXX every month from his business. If his taxes go up, he will just give himself a raise to compensate for the increased taxes. That money has to come from someplace. If his business earnings stay the same, he has to cut business cost's someplace, right? I know he would resist cutting staff, but he would cut other expenses around the shop. He might alter our 401k plan, or our health benefits. Hell, today I asked for cash to replace some flourescent light bulbs that are out. I got turned down! ("Let's see how business is on Friday"). If cutting back on little things like that don't get him back to where he was pre-tax increase, he will - reluctantly - start to cut staff.

Seems to me that that scenario would put a strain on the gov ... if more folks lose their jobs or even if they just have their benefits cut.

I am no economist, so I don't know if I am missing something here, but raising taxes on the nation's job creators isn't really making sense to me.

I don't have much faith in a government run health care system, either. I have first hand experience with gov-run medical programs (Carter & Reagan VA) ... not attractive.

You don't have to be an economist to figure this out...And , you're on the right track !

NO NATION in History has EVER Taxed Or SPENT its way into prosperity...

Only productive enterprise is ever able to create Jobs OR Wealth...

Governments don't do it...They just get in a man's way...

Unless that man is Barack Obama...If he's elected , he'll get busy picking pockets all over this country...

That's why European Socialists like him so much...The folk in Europe perceive that Barry Obama is one of THEM ! Remember his humongous rallies in Berlin ?

definition : Social Democrat , a member of any of certain political parties with socialistic principles , in Germany , etc.
--The American College Dictionary

I might like Barry Obama as a person , but when he indicates his desire to lift my wallet , to " spread the Wealth around " , I'm getting more than a little P.O.'d...

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, October 24, 2008 6:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I am still thinkin the uniforms idea is a pretty good one, cause I could care less if my candidate shops at K-mart or Family Dollar, I care how they do the job, yanno ?

Which candidate is the ONLY one who returns a substantial portion of their office operating costs budget to the treasury without fail, every single year ?

Any guesses ?

-Frem

RON ERNEST PAUL ?

By the way , the Uniforms idea is great...

Make 'em ALL wear Orange Jumpsuits , 'til they each graduate to being a humble servant of WE THE PEOPLE ,
at which time we'll award them 'Honorary' Brown Coats , and pants with a brown stripe up the leg...

Optional Suspenders , for the completion of
" The Evening Look "...

KHYRON

Friday, October 24, 2008 8:32 AM

So why does the guy whose economic policies consist almost entirely out of eliminating pork-barrel spending not have a problem with his VP candidate spending $150000 on clothes?

Here's a summary of what John McCain said about this kind of spending back in the days before he became his own worst enemy:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/204815/24/493/639218

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McCain/Palin: The first presidential ticket that features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, October 24, 2008 11:40 AM

Greetings to Liberals !

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 24, 2008 11:49 AM

Awww, poor wittle frail-ego weenie is so damn happy to dish it out, but can't take it when someone fires back ?

Typical of the breed, actually - at least Hero has a sense of humor, Geeze and Anthony can be reasonable and logical even under fire, Rap and Finn have staying power, and Kirk sensibly brings stuff to the table worth arguing about.

What do you have ?
Nothing but a bunch of easily shattered half-truths and lies backed up by a nebulous and frail set of arguments filled in with plain nastiness and petulance.

As is well known, I shake the towers of peoples faith to see what they're made of, and I think perhaps you should consider some renovations, all else aside.

So go on, take your ball and go home, it's not like I'd miss you, but I do spit a general curse in your direction for being one less available person NOT blinded by Obama's pretty little shine and thus more likely to drop the bomb on his inevitable abuses of power.

Wimp.

EDIT: And worse, you didn't even have the guts to let the post stand, you snivelling coward, but I cached a copy just to beat you over the head with when you inevitably break your word, just like all your GOP idols do.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 24, 2008 12:01 PM

On a lighter note, I got no issue with little Piper carryin one of mommys Louis Vuitton bags, she didn't get to pick who mommy was, and it's not like she was the one who bought it anyhow.

Yeah yeah yeah, I got a soft spot for kids, I know, but one thing I never do is blame em for who their parents are - not that I think that's what was meant, just sayin, if she wants to carry one of mommys bags, more power to her.

My niece has her mothers unfortunate tendancy to damage hers by whapping overly "friendly" boys with em - so I bought her one made by dickies, the same folk who make my damn near indestructible work pants, and sewed a pouch of number nine shot into it covered by a false bottom to give it a little more "authority".

Seems the boys have learned to keep their hands to themselves, as of late, gee I wonder why ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

GEEZER

Friday, October 24, 2008 12:46 PM

In other fashion news...
Looks like Sen. Obama's suits are tailored for him by Hart, Schaffner and Marx. He's bought at least five. They're so popular that HartMarx has begun selling off-the-rack copies for $1,500.00 a pop, so you'd expect that the tailored ones cost more. No info yet on shirts, ties, shoes and accessories.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1234832,CST-NWS-obamasuit2
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Michelle Obama also likes style, wearing couture by such well-known designers as Maria Pinto and Isabel Toledo.

What does any of this, or Gov. Palin's clothes, have to do with politics or the election, you ask?

NOTHING!!!

"Keep the Shiny side up"

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 24, 2008 12:52 PM

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one thing I never do is blame em for who their parents are

Their own conduct, on the other hand, tsk tsk.
I guess the apple never does fall too far from the tree, does it ?

I can't help but snicker though, kids these days, pfffthh.

CORRECTION: My sweeper says this image has been edited, so prolly she just shook her fist at him, and didn't flip him the bird, still funny tho.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KHYRON

Friday, October 24, 2008 1:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
What does any of this, or Gov. Palin's clothes, have to do with politics or the election, you ask?

NOTHING!!!

During a time of economic woe, the RNC spends $150000 of donors' hard-earned money on Palin's clothes and that doesn't tell you something about how another Republican administration might handle its fiscal responsibilities?

David Frum can hardly be described as a liberal. Here's what he had to say:

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The median monthly mortgage payment in the US in 2007 was about $1500. In other words, Sarah Palin spent very nearly as much on clothing in a single month as the typical American family will spend on housing over the next ten years.

http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzU4YjQ5Zjg3ZDY5MWQyYmRlY2UyYmE
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GEEZER

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
During a time of economic woe, the RNC spends $150000 of donors' hard-earned money on Palin's clothes and that doesn't tell you something about how another Republican administration might handle its fiscal responsibilities?

During a time of economic woe, the DNC spends $150 million plus of donors hard-earned money on political ads - which have debatable effect, and can't even be auctioned off later. Think of the good that could be done if just 10%, even 5%, of that money were used to alleviate poverty, help prevent foreclosures, pay fuel bills for those who can't afford it. Why would anyone vote for such heartless, win-at-all-costs, bastards?

See I can make up shit just as silly, and as void of real content, as yours.

Sorry, but Gov. Palin's wardrobe has nothing to do with how the RNC or the Republican Party works, except in the minds of those who would criticize them if they gave away free bread. All the whining and finger-pointing just makes you look like spiteful children.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:30 PM

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Think of the good that could be done if just 10%, even 5%, of that money were used to alleviate poverty, help prevent foreclosures, pay fuel bills for those who can't afford it. Why would anyone vote for such heartless, win-at-all-costs, bastards?

You know, that would NOT be a bad campaign move, especially with decent press coverage - sure it'd come off as a little self serving, but that's what spin is for, yes ?

I do think Miss P's wardrobe's a bit excessive, but that kinda goes for all of em, when it comes to it - still, discussing fiscal responsibility in a suit that costs more than I make in three months annoys the piss outta me no matter who does it.

-F

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:37 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Sorry, but Gov. Palin's wardrobe has nothing to do with how the RNC or the Republican Party works, except in the minds of those who would criticize them if they gave away free bread.

dude, free bread...where, where..??

Ok, so it's much ado about nothing... right? well maybe, but then I saw this....

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If Palin's $150,000 shopping spree had Republicans disgusted, then the report that her makeup stylist cost $22,800 for the first two weeks of October should have them livid. The stylist, Amy Strozzi, was apparently paid more than any other McCain staffer during that period.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/palins-makeup-artist-is-m_n_1
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that probably warrants investigation for validity, but if it is true, (and that money won't be given back - don't think you can donate the whole face, ya know)... it would seem that the money could have been put to better use - i mean, the folks that fell for Palin would probably like her with or without makeup...

just to repeat - the makeup person was paid MORE than any McCain staffer for two weeks in Oct..... that is just incredible to me.

RUE

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:49 PM

Makes ME wonder who's really running for office. What's his name, or Palin.

BTW - women are smarter than men about Palin.

A whopping 60% of women aged 50 and younger have a negative view of Mrs Palin, according to a poll released by the Pew Research Centre on October 21st. Mrs Palin has also had only a fleeting impact on white women. After the Republican convention white women favoured Mr McCain over Mr Obama by 51% to 40%, according to Gallup. They now favour Mr Obama by 47% to 46%.

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Silence is consent.

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:57 PM

...makes me want to enroll in cosmetology school...

KWICKO

Friday, October 24, 2008 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Awww, poor wittle frail-ego weenie is so damn happy to dish it out, but can't take it when someone fires back ?

Typical of the breed, actually - at least Hero has a sense of humor, Geeze and Anthony can be reasonable and logical even under fire, Rap and Finn have staying power, and Kirk sensibly brings stuff to the table worth arguing about.

Frem: You forgot Veteran who, along with Geezer and AnthonyT, are the ONLY conservative voices around these parts that refuse to lower themselves to namecalling and personal attacks.

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

KHYRON

Friday, October 24, 2008 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
During a time of economic woe, the DNC spends $150 million plus of donors hard-earned money on political ads - which have debatable effect, and can't even be auctioned off later. Think of the good that could be done if just 10%, even 5%, of that money were used to alleviate poverty, help prevent foreclosures, pay fuel bills for those who can't afford it. Why would anyone vote for such heartless, win-at-all-costs, bastards?

The difference is, when people donate money to a campaign, they know that political ads for millions of $$$ will be part of that campaign (regardless of how effective they may or my not be). They don't donate their cash so that one of the candidates can go on a shopping spree that a 16-year-old Valley girl with a credit card and no credit limit would be ashamed of.

Maybe you could tell me how this can be reconciled with McCain's position on this issue back in 1993/1994. I linked it earlier, here it is again:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/204815/24/493/639218

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Sorry, but Gov. Palin's wardrobe has nothing to do with how the RNC or the Republican Party works, except in the minds of those who would criticize them if they gave away free bread. All the whining and finger-pointing just makes you look like spiteful children.

The "fiscal responsibility" party goes on a wild shopping spree for clothes and anyone who points out that this is fiscally irresponsible is a spiteful child. Noted.

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