A blow for Palin fans everywhere....
POSTED BY: MrBlueSun
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 18:46
VIEWED: 10564
PAGE 13 of 14
Quote:
And , FYI, when I told you to FO, I truly meant it.
Of course you did. Because "you got nothin'."
Quote:
The worst Todd Palin would ever want is to leave you alone, and for you to leave him alone.
Yes, because secession has historically worked out so peacefully in this country...
Mike
This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.
Trolls Against McCain!
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Drat.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:No sweat, dude. And you’re not wrong. I do lean to the right probably as much as you lean to the left. I don’t consider that to be a bad thing – we have our respective points of view. You don’t have to find any clever way of making that point – it’s obvious. We aren’t going to agree on choice of president, but we have that right. There’s no apologizes needed. I’m glad that you examined the issue deeper, which I knew you would sooner or later, and this doesn’t have to make you agree with Palin. But you don’t have to dislike someone to disagree with them. I disagree with Obama, but I don’t think he is a bad guy or stupid or evil. I just think I don’t agree with his way of doing things.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You’re the one denying evidence to defend an officer that clearly has demonstrated some dubious behavior and instead blaming it on Palin.
In doing some research that I DIDN'T do before, here specifically,
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html
I find that I must remove the foot from my mouth regarding Wooten being a 'not bad' cop.
It doesn't mean that Palin didn't abuse her power, as the finding states, or that she has any real brains in her head, but it does mean I owe you one big fat apology for wasting your time on this one point, something I failed to do a little research on before I shot off my stupid mouth as if I knew everything.
It also proves my political desperation to be correct, as you pointed out.
My main point was gonna be that you lean as much right as I do left (which I still believe, BTW), but I'm gonna have to use my brain to prove it next time, not my ego.
Sorry dude.
*hangs head down and wanders away, plotting his next, less insulting, more fact-based challenge*
You’ll notice that I never said that Palin didn’t abuse her authority. And I don’t know whether she did or not, and to be entirely honest with you, it doesn’t surprise me, but in looking at the issue, it was clear to me that her reasons for doing what she did were sound and reasonable. If I were put in that situation I can tell you that I might do the same thing if it were my sister or one of my girls in trouble with a bad cop. It sort of comes down to obeying the letter or spirit. Should Palin allow this abusive cop to abuse her family, and by extension continue to be an abuse in the system, or should she do something about it, knowing that people will bring her up on the technicality of abuse of power. The truth is that Palin actually comes out of this looking a bit like a big damn hero – taking a stand against a bad guy even knowing that it will hurt her politically. So right from the beginning this whole issue was never something that was going to persuade many people against Palin.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Yeah, I guess me too.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If I were put in that situation I can tell you that I might do the same thing if it were my sister or one of my girls in trouble with a bad cop.
*Dreams of a Clint Eastwood/ Ralph Nader ticket*
Chrisisall
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:I think your knowledge of procedure is abysmal.
I think it’s your objectivity that is question here, as usual.
Quote:"Play ball"? Umm...Do you mean getting you coffee? Having sex? Taking bribes? Falsifying reports? What kinds of limits would you place, if any, on your criteria?
Let’s look at this from a different point of view. I work in a certain department with several colleagues. Several of whom I personally don’t like, and one of which I found to be in opposition to the direction I think the department should go. Then one day I become department head. One of the first things that I’m going to do is make sure that everyone working under me is going to play ball
Quote:In Civil Service, you don't just up and fire people. Not possible, not gonna happen. You have to show cause, have a hearing, and deal with the Union.
and if they don’t, I’m going to fire them
Quote:You clearly have no experience in the arena of government employment.
That’s my authority granted to me by my position, because that’s my job.
My point is that Monegan COULDN'T "just fire" Wooten without going thru all the necessary steps. THAT kind of "playing ball" would prolly set up both Monegan and the State of Alaska for a nice, fat, juicy lawsuit.
www.juneauempire.com/stories/090508/sta_328880478.shtml
To give you an example of how PALIN doesn't understand procedures (and what a miserable Executive she made) what about that nice hockey sports arena on Wassila?
Quote:Being an Executive means looking after shit like that: dotting your Is and crossing your Ts. Something Palin evidently doesn't know how to do. And doesn't realize (even if other ppl do) that OTHERS have to dot their Is and cross their Ts too.
The biggest project that Sarah Palin undertook as mayor of this small town was an indoor sports complex, where locals played hockey, soccer, and basketball, especially during the long, dark Alaskan winters. The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin's legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla.
"It's too bad that the city of Wasilla didn't do their homework and secure the land before they began construction," said Kathy Wells, a longtime activist here. "She was not your ceremonial mayor; she was in charge of running the city. So it was her job to make sure things were done correctly."
---------------------------------
Let's party like its 1929.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
And I'll bet a lot of those Palin fans are still waiting for that blow, you betcha! 
---------------------------------
Let's party like its 1929.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
NEW ALLEGATION
Quote:http://news.spreadit.org/palin-housesarah-palin-s-house-built-for-free/
Sarah Palin’s House Built For Free? - Palin house is the drama of the day.The Palin family has a house worth $552,000 that is causing a bit of controversy. Palin house is located at Lake Lucille.It is a two-story, four bedroom, four bath home and “Todd Palin said that he built the house with friends who were contractors.”But reports claim that the house was actually built by the Spenard Builders Supply that was hired for the $12.5 million Wasilla Sports Complex.To make a long story short Palin made Spenard Builders Supply build her house in order for them to obtain the big Sports Complex contract.
---------------------------------
Let's party like its 1929.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Being an Executive means looking after shit like that: dotting your Is and crossing your Ts. Something Palin evidently doesn't know how to do.
Small point of contention: Palin DOES know how to dot her "i"s - she puts little hearts over them!
Mike
This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.
Trolls Against McCain!
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:I’ve don’t it, so it obviously can be done. But this is really just more word chess. You’re not disputing the fact that managers fire employees in the government and in the private sector, you’re arguing the strawman that a procedure is required, which doesn’t change anything I've said.
Originally posted by SignyM:
In Civil Service, you don't just up and fire people. Not possible, not gonna happen. You have to show cause, have a hearing, and deal with the Union.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Yes it does. Palin fired Monegan in part because Monegan wouldn't "just fire" Wooten. But Monegan CAN'T arbitrarily "just fire" Wooten because Wooten is a union member and has Skelly rights. So Palin was demanding that Monegan do something that he couldn't -and shouldn't- do.
I’ve don’t it, so it obviously can be done. But this is really just more word chess. You’re not disputing the fact that managers fire employees in the government and in the private sector, you’re arguing the strawman that a procedure is required, which doesn’t change anything I've said.
---------------------------------
Let's party like its 1929.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME