A blow for Palin fans everywhere....

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:08 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Chris, we're dealing with the hard-core authoritarian right here:

And the funny thing is they probably see themselves as moderate...

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Finn has unmasked himself

He actually used to be more moderate, but this Republican 2008 loss is scaring him into an ultra-conservative corner, I fear. He is no longer rational in these matters. Plus: now that he's unmasked, we know who he is, and can get to him by threatening his beloved Reagan statuette!!! Muhuhuhahahaha!!!

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All they want to do is be folded into the bosom of their authority-figure, to see as they see, to think as they think and speak as they speak. They're frightened of "the other". I don't know what the answer is, but appeals to rationality won't work.

The answer is to treat them like the desperate, limited neural pathway junkies that they are. Would we be angry at a blind child that can't see? My friend Signy, we need only pity the weak-minded, not demand greater synaptic function!
Rationality is a gift to the clear of mind, and out of reach of the slaves to the gospel.

Rev. Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:28 PM

There is something to Herbert's scifi mantra "Fear is the mind-killer"

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

They haven't faced their fears. They won't even ADMIT they're afraid.
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Let's party like its 1929.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:51 PM

And the Dune-esque right-winger words:

"It is by Bush alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the juice of NeoCon that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire blood, the blood becomes a warning.
It is by Bush alone I set my mind in motion..."

isall

AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:41 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Todd was registered for a few yrs, but only ACTIVE for like 2.
And Barack worked with Ayers for ONLY five years, actually seeing him face to face less than a dozen time and participated in NONE of the Weather Underground activities, seeing as all that wa going on when he was... er... eight. Don't you think there's a qualitative difference between being an ACTIVE MEMBER of a secessionist movement, and working with someone on a committee for education reform who had a (long ago) past history? I certainly think so! Why izzit you can excuse the one but not the other? Whatever happened to rationality? As others have so eloquently said, if the situation was reversed... if Michell Obama had been an active member of a secessionist movement you'd be all over THAT like white in rice. Instead you find all kinds of excuses what that shoe is on YOUR candidate's foot!

It's not just Ayers, as you know,but the culmination of Ayers, Rezko and Wright which has folks worried about Obama. Ayers should have been pointed out MONTHS ago, and Rezko is getting almost zero play by the media, which should also change.

To be honest, I'd rather Michelle be for leaving this country than hating it, as she clearly does. But on one hand , you have the Presidential candidate himself being associated w/ some questionable characters, and just for kicks and giggles, the Left tries to play quid pro quo w/ the opposition's VP candidates HUSBAND ???

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Fuck you both, assholes!

See? Even you don't buy your own tripe. You got nothing,so you're left w/ this sad quote.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
One can be a secessionist and still love one’s country.
Oh, I get it, if they're Republican, right? But if you're NOT Republican, having a meeting with a terrorist means you HATE this country...see, this is why I can't take you seriously anymore, Finn, if Obama was a secessionist, you'd be flaming him for it, and if Palin was meeting with a terrorist, you'd say she was gathering info on other points of view- you are so laughably skewed in one direction, yet you seem able to convince yourself you're not somehow.

Once again, you’re the one that is skewed. You invented all of this. I never said that a secessionist loves his country as long as he’s a Republican or meeting with a terrorist means you hate your country if you’re not a Republican. This is all you’re imagination. You’re too afraid to listen to what I’m actually saying, and that’s why I have trouble taking you seriously, much as I have trouble taking Signym seriously. Both of you seem more interested in disfiguring an opinion that differs from your own, instead of understanding it.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:20 PM

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I never said that a secessionist loves his country as long as he’s a Republican or meeting with a terrorist means you hate your country if you’re not a Republican.

Your behavior makes your prejudice clear. You clearly apply different standards for Republicans and Democrats so any overt prejudicial statement on your part is moot.

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you have the Presidential candidate himself being associated w/ some questionable characters, and just for kicks and giggles, the Left tries to play quid pro quo w/ the opposition's VP candidates HUSBAND ???

It's called sleeping with the enemy.

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Let's party like its 1929.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:41 PM

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Originally posted by swish:
Note the difference from the Ayers situation: you would oppose your friends based on what you know about them, not based on some schmoe they had a cup of coffee with a decade ago.

Hey, if you want to argue against Obama's policies, please do. But policies are clearly not what this Ayers thing is about.

As has been stated already, no one is suggesting that Obama is a terrorist because he has associated himself with one. But to suggest that it says nothing about Obama is to assume the nature of that association, and that’s not really possible. We don’t really know that. By itself, it’s not that disconcerting, but when you throw in people Wright, whom Obama has had a close relationship to for many years, it starts to become questionable. If Obama spent 20 years attending a church that preached hate, then why wouldn’t he have a more involved relationship with Ayers? This is what bothers people.

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Originally posted by swish:
Oh, I see. Yes, clearly it's written in the Universal Secessionist Charter that one must not ever go beyond Hate Factor 3, while the Friends of Obama Manifesto demands a Hate Factor of at least 7. Indeed, it's right there in the rules!!

What in the hell are you smoking, AURaptor?

I think the question is what are you smoking? Because while it is true that secessionists of various types have taken arms and even become terrorists, that is not the nature of most secessionists, anymore then it is the nature of most Communist. However, as it turns out the particular Communist that Obama chose to associate himself with, is in fact, one of those Communists that chose to practice violence and terrorism. The same cannot be said for Palin.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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I never said that a secessionist loves his country as long as he’s a Republican or meeting with a terrorist means you hate your country if you’re not a Republican.
Your behavior makes your prejudice clear. You clearly apply different standards for Republicans and Democrats so any overt prejudicial statement on your part is moot.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Ahahahahahahahah :sniker: :sniker: Ahahahahah

Oh wait...

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:59 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Once again, you’re the one that is skewed. You invented all of this. I never said that a secessionist loves his country as long as he’s a Republican or meeting with a terrorist means you hate your country if you’re not a Republican. This is all you’re imagination. You’re too afraid to listen to what I’m actually saying

Bullshit- Finn, I'm frankly tired of HAVING to TRY SO HARD to understand you- either learn the fucking English language, or stop being intentionally fucking cryptic!
If you rush to defend every NeoCon asswipe without a brain- SURE, you're gonna seem like an apologist toady. And I'm also sick of the "You couldn't know" crap...you know that saying, "walks like a duck..."? Solid, court-admissible evidence is sometimes hard to come by, however, patterns can be used to detect truths and lies, but you don't want to admit that, it might send your world into a tizzy. You're so oblivious to how you sound if you think for even one moment that you're anywhere near the middle of the road, or somewhat objective. It's always, and I mean ALWAYS default to status quo for you, and why not- you have a pretty good life, why empathize with innocent civvies in the path of the war machine? Why even imagine that your brain works better than some pissant Chief of Staff asshole- but boy you sure are superior to us utopian dreamers that want some measure of accountability from the elected officials who SUPPOSEDLY work FOR us....

If I'm off base here, please feel free to point out where I'm wrong, just don't go into two paragraphs about HOW I'm making this all up in my head, and target precisely where I'm in error, okay????

Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:17 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Once again, you’re the one that is skewed. You invented all of this. I never said that a secessionist loves his country as long as he’s a Republican or meeting with a terrorist means you hate your country if you’re not a Republican. This is all you’re imagination. You’re too afraid to listen to what I’m actually saying
Bullshit- Finn, I'm frankly tired of HAVING to TRY SO HARD to understand you- either learn the fucking English language, or stop being intentionally fucking cryptic!
If you rush to defend every NeoCon asswipe without a brain- SURE, you're gonna seem like an apologist toady. And I'm also sick of the "You couldn't know" crap...you know that saying, "walks like a duck..."? Solid, court-admissible evidence is sometimes hard to come by, however, patterns can be used to detect truths and lies, but you don't want to admit that, it might send your world into a tizzy. You're so oblivious to how you sound if you think for even one moment that you're anywhere near the middle of the road, or somewhat objective. It's always, and I mean ALWAYS default to status quo for you, and why not- you have a pretty good life, why empathize with innocent civvies in the path of the war machine? Why even imagine that your brain works better than some pissant Chief of Staff asshole- but boy you sure are superior to us utopian dreamers that want some measure of accountability from the elected officials who SUPPOSEDLY work FOR us....

If I'm off base here, please feel free to point out where I'm wrong, just don't go into two paragraphs about HOW I'm making this all up in my head, and target precisely where I'm in
error, okay????

I did point out where you were wrong. It was the part that you invented in your head. Yes it is true that I don’t have that much against a Governor practicing his or her job to fire an employee he or she doesn’t feel is working out – whether they are Republican or Democrat. Yes, it is true, that I don’t see anything particularly wrong with someone trying to get a bad cop fired, whether they are Republican or Democrat. And yes it is true that I do see something wrong with someone attending a church for 20 years that espoused racial supremacy, whether they are Republican or Democrat. And yes it is true that I find something very disconcerting about personal associations with actual terrorists, whether they are Republican or Democrat.

Why the hell do I have spell out “whether they are Republican or Democrat” after every comment I make to prevent you from attacking my character? Probably because you don’t have a leg to stand on in this discussion and probably because you know that the skeletons in Obama’s closet seem to be a hell of a lot more scary then those in Palin’s. If you want to impress upon me that Palin is scarier then Obama, then you need to take the advise I’ve already given you, and find something ELSE (if you can), because this doesn’t even start to equate to Obama’s skeletons.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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