A blow for Palin fans everywhere....
POSTED BY: MrBlueSun
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 18:46
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Quote:And yet we've just had a bipartisan report stating that Todd did a whole lot of official work for her:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's apples and oranges, to be honest. Todd Palin is in NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER A " long time secessionist ". He looked into an minor politcal party for a few yrs, then decided to go another way, becoming an independent. Contrary to the 2 for 1 couples we see in politcs so often these days, that ain't Sarah and Todd. He's not running for V.P., she is.
"Todd Palin would become a familiar voice for the Palin administration. Independent legislative investigator Stephen Branchflower's report on Monegan's subsequent firing -- in part, the investigation found, because he wouldn't fire Wooten -- contains an exhaustive record of Todd Palin's frequent and intimate presence in the day-to-day workings of his wife's administration.
Testimony compiled as part of the inquiry, and The Times' own review of e-mail logs from the administration, show that Todd Palin was a fixture in the governor's office, spending about half of his time there. He attended Cabinet meetings that are supposed to be closed to the public, and was copied on a wide variety of high-level government correspondence on issues such as contract negotiations with the police officers union, Alaska Native issues and the privatization of a dairy near the Palins' hometown of Wasilla."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-todd12-2008oct12,0,6624850.
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Quote:Oh, I see. Yes, clearly it's written in the Universal Secessionist Charter that one must not ever go beyond Hate Factor 3, while the Friends of Obama Manifesto demands a Hate Factor of at least 7. Indeed, it's right there in the rules!!
Also, secessionist don't , as a rule, HATE nearly as much as the bombers or the racist that Obama hangs out with.
What in the hell are you smoking, AURaptor?
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Originally posted by swish:Quote:Oh, I see. Yes, clearly it's written in the Universal Secessionist Charter that one must not ever go beyond Hate Factor 3, while the Friends of Obama Manifesto demands a Hate Factor of at least 7. Indeed, it's right there in the rules!!
Also, secessionist don't , as a rule, HATE nearly as much as the bombers or the racist that Obama hangs out with.
What in the hell are you smoking, AURaptor?
What the hell are YOU smoking ? Secessionist are those who simply want to dissolve the politcal bonds which connect them w/ our own country. I was responding to another post which was comparing Obama's friends ( Ayers and Rev Wright ) to Palin's HUSBAND's distant associates, a political party he no longer supports that favors secession to the USA. They don't want WAR with the U.S. they just want to govern themselves.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:And they all follow a particular set of rules? Wow, how neat and tidy the world must look to you. Too bad it just isn't that way.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What the hell are YOU smoking ? Secessionist are those who simply want to dissolve the politcal bonds which connect them w/ our own country.
Quote:Hunh. You must have missed Kwicko's post, so let me just repeat:
I was responding to another post which was comparing Obama's friends ( Ayers and Rev Wright ) to Palin's HUSBAND's distant associates, a political party he no longer supports that favors secession to the USA. They don't want WAR with the U.S. they just want to govern themselves.
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Joe Vogler, made these comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.
"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.
“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”
No hate there. Nope. Nothing that could turn to violence. (Cause that would be against smokin' Rap's rules.
) No, surely it would go something like this: "Hey, can we Alaskans succeed from the Union? No? OK, then, we'll just sit up here and love America peacefully from afar, and maybe ask again in a decade or so. Thanks so much for your time! 
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kwickie....
Todd was registered for a few yrs, but only ACTIVE for like 2. Gov. Palin's welcome video was nothing more than a chamber of commerce duty, where she's simply greeting the members of a group holding a convention in Fairbanks. Conventions bring in money to a city , and she was being nothing more than appreciative of that fact.
How many bombs did Joe Vogler plant? Oh, that'd be none.
BTW, Joe's been dead for 15 yrs now. I'm pretty sure Sara and Todd aren't palling around " with him any more.
No double standard when you compare Barack's direct ties to Bill Ayers and a 20+ yr relationship w/ a racist Reverend who teaches Black Liberation Theology to a dead guy who had no ties to the Palins.
Blah blah blah, personal insult , blah blah blah.....
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:For the record, I believe he's probably a jerk.
Originally posted by Riverlove:
For me the most hysterical part of the Dem's position on Troopergate is that it may be the first time in recorded history that Liberals and other Dems support a police officer.
isall
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Quote:Oh, I get it, if they're Republican, right? But if you're NOT Republican, having a meeting with a terrorist means you HATE this country...see, this is why I can't take you seriously anymore, Finn, if Obama was a secessionist, you'd be flaming him for it, and if Palin was meeting with a terrorist, you'd say she was gathering info on other points of view- you are so laughably skewed in one direction, yet you seem able to convince yourself you're not somehow.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
One can be a secessionist and still love one’s country.
isall
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Originally posted by Khyron:
http://www.dmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?nm=Core+Pages&type=gen&mod=Cor
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Today it is conservatives, not liberals, who talk with alarming bellicosity about making the world “safe for democracy.” It is John McCain who says America’s job is to “defeat evil,” a theological expansion of the nation’s mission that would make George Washington cough out his wooden teeth.
This kind of conservatism, which is not conservative at all, has produced financial mismanagement, the waste of human lives, the loss of moral authority, and the wreckage of our economy that McCain now threatens to make worse.
Yep.
Chrisisall
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Quote:And Barack worked with Ayers for ONLY five years, actually seeing him face to face less than a dozen time and participated in NONE of the Weather Underground activities, seeing as all that wa going on when he was... er... eight. Don't you think there's a qualitative difference between being an ACTIVE MEMBER of a secessionist movement, and working with someone on a committee for education reform who had a (long ago) past history? I certainly think so! Why izzit you can excuse the one but not the other? Whatever happened to rationality? As others have so eloquently said, if the situation was reversed... if Michell Obama had been an active member of a secessionist movement you'd be all over THAT like white in rice. Instead you find all kinds of excuses what that shoe is on YOUR candidate's foot!
Todd was registered for a few yrs, but only ACTIVE for like 2.
Quote:But apparently one can't be a republican and still love one's country, as you have made SO PLAIN to me!
One can be a secessionist and still love one’s country.
Fuck you both, assholes!
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Let's party like its 1929.
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Chris, we're dealing with the hard-core authoritarian right here: Finn has unmasked himself, and we've known about Hero and Rapo for a long time. All they want to do is be folded into the bosom of their authority-figure, to see as they see, to think as they think and speak as they speak. They're frightened of "the other". I don't know what the answer is, but appeals to rationality won't work. They have NO INTEREST in being rational. They only want to be safe from whatever bogeymen their leaders have concocted for them.
Maybe if Obama is portrayed an authority-figure they'll bow under the lash. So how's THIS, ya right-wing morons: If Obama wins, YOU'LL be the new enemy. So:
Yo better watch out,
Yo better not cry,
Yo better not pout...
And I'm telling ya why...
Yeah, face your fears, you dickwads! Wallow in it until you know the length and breadth and depth of it. Until you're SICK of fear driving you!
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Let's party like its 1929.
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Haven't we learned what happens to our govt when the president hands out jobs based on politics rather than merit?
Apparently not - but if you wanna lay blame for that idea, lay it at the feet of Andrew Jackson.
While he had the right idea concerning Federalised Banking, he was the first to fully implement a political "spoils system" in that fashion, not to mention his treatment of Native Americans was downright criminal.
The virtues of our historic figures have never blinded me to their faults, and thus the same for modern ones.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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