A blow for Palin fans everywhere....

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KWICKO

Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:16 AM

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I have quite a few liberal/socialist/commie friends and I have no problem with that. If any one of them ran for President I would appose them just as strongly as I appose Obama.

I take it then that you are just as strongly opposed to the Bush Administration's "Surge" in Iraq? Because one of the key points of the surge is PAYING terrorists not to attack us. And then paying them to fight for us. In other words, our own military, at the behest of the White House and the Pentagon, is "palling around with" terrorists.

Also, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is known to have palled around with Saddam Hussein.

Or was that all in the distant past?

Mike

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KWICKO

Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:22 AM

Also, there's some evidence that Todd and Sarah Palin have their own checkered past when it comes to domestic terrorism, in the person of Alaska Indepence Party founder Joe Vogler:

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Vogler disappeared under suspicious circumstances in May 1993, just weeks before he was scheduled to give a speech to the United Nations on Alaskan independence, sponsored by the government of Iran. Convicted thief Manfried West confessed to having murdered Vogler the following year in what he described as a plastic explosives sale gone bad. Vogler's remains were discovered in a gravel pit east of Fairbanks in October 1994 following an anonymous tip. They had been wrapped in a blue tarp secured with duct tape and were identified through fingerprint analysis.

In the opinion of AIP Chair Lynette Clark and other AIP leaders, however, Vogler's death reflected more than a dispute with West. Clark has stated, "He was executed." She notes that Vogler was about to appear before the United Nations to address the issue of Alaskan independence: "The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed. And we can't have that, can we?"

Vogler was buried in Dawson City, Yukon Territory, Canada, fulfulling his wish that he not be buried under the American flag.

So what was a secessionist militia leader planning on doing with all those plastic explosives? Cooking moose, perhaps, or something more sinister?

Mike

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:23 AM

I appose Kirkules...

As opposed to opposeisall

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:45 AM

Guy was an asshole, Palin wanted his ass off the force - pushed the limits and stepped over em to do it, shit like that happens, especially in small towns.
I remain neutral on that aspect.

Quoting Pegler - so what, just cause he was a shithead and an asshole means he never said anything in his life that made sense ?
I mean, come on, Wernher von Braun was a former nazi, does that mean our space program is then evil because of that fact ?
Filed beneath notice or caring.

Married to a seccessionist - so what of it, it's an American value, even if it didn't work out last time cause we had a meglomaniac with a family history of insanity who was popping mercury (look up Blue Mass) during his time in the oval office.
Filed as a plus, actually.

Oh, and someone noted Jefferson supported secession - well then, shut the hell up about Ayers then, cause ole Jeffy boy also supported armed revolt and blowing shit up, both against the british (at which point he WAS a terrorist!) and against our own Government whenever it got out of sorts, or folk percieved that it did.

Besides which, america has plenty of radicals of all stripes, it's the presidents job to understand and relate to ALL americans, not just a single party, so I wouldn't bitch if either one of em had extended discussions with the Klan or Black Panthers, so long as they weren't takin money from them.

America's fulla different folks, some of whom are VERY different, and a president who can manage to best execute the will of those people and do so in a manner that most of them find acceptable - that's part of the job.

Most of this is, in the end, petty shit - McCains involvement with the Keating Five, that concerns me some, not necessarily due to any direct involvement so much as the poor judgement and flimsy ethics that got him mixed up in that mess in the first place.

Palin bothers me for reasons I've specified elsewhere, not the least of which being a closet zealot with a crusade in mind, and McCains visibly failing health does not give me warm fuzzies about the idea of this lady one step from the big chair.

Obama's lack of experience and affiliation with a party I can't stand is a big negative with me, but he's displayed admirable political and orator skill, however those things are not necessarily related to the skills to run the country, and thus he's a big question mark for me - and the possibility of him being steamrollered like Jimmy Carter quite frankly doesn't bother me so much as he picked a good choice for veep, and I'd *rather* he get steamrollered than abuse the broken walls around executive power that are all that remain these days.

Biden, now... he's smart, almost TOO smart - he's not a people person, or any great shakes as an orator or public figure, but the man gets shit DONE, and my primary concern about him is exactly what shit he intends to get done, cause he plays his cards real close, and happens to be quite masterful at the political equivalent of a magicians hand-fake.

Fact is, I don't LIKE either of these folk, but one of the things that convinced me to throw down for Obama, besides being totally creeped the fuck out by Palin when she tried to debate - is that McCain toes the party line as if it were the true gospel, and Obama was willing to do a little bucking, cause the Dems wanted Hillary soooo bad they were willing to do him dirty over it....

And yet HE walked away with the nomination, he ain't Bill Clinton slick, but Obama ain't nobodys fool either and does not regularly embarrass himself as the GOP candidates have done.

And the plain fact of it is - in the hands of the GOP, and with the Dems unwilling to reach down and find a pair, we've left our country in a pretty fuckin sorry shape, involved in a pair of futile and idiotic wars, a virtually destroyed economy, an infrastructure crumbling to bits, and everyone at each others throats... that is NOT a legacy of leadership to be proud of, and I do believe it's justifiable to reject their new fairhaired boy on that basis alone.

The answer to that is NOT to

CHRISISALL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:53 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

That doesn't mean I LIKE the jugeared shitheel on the other end, it just means I think he's got a better chance of actually getting us moving in the right direction to solve some of this mess

As usual, what Frem said tm

Chrisisall

KHYRON

Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:14 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quoting Pegler - so what, just cause he was a shithead and an asshole means he never said anything in his life that made sense ?
I mean, come on, Wernher von Braun was a former nazi, does that mean our space program is then evil because of that fact ?
Filed beneath notice or caring.

The point of the secessionist thing is to illustrate how easily the guilt-by-association angle can be turned around - for every dubious connection or association that Obama has (and Ayers isn't one of them), there are plenty worse on the other side.

And the hypocrisy is a general disillusionment I have with the current batch of conservatives. I don't particularly care about her quoting Pegler either, but we all know that had Obama quoted some unpopular character (e.g. Farrakhan, or even Wright), the conservatives wouldn't be able to stop shouting their fake outrage from every available media outlet for months afterwards. THAT was the point of bringing up Pegler.

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:21 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
It's funny how the right ignores the facts when it comes to Obama's associations, and also ignores the facts when it comes to McCain's and Palin's associations. As Colbert said, reality just has a strong liberal bias.

Can SOMEBODY (ANYBODY!) please explain to me why it's alright to run for the White House and be married to a long-time secessionist!?

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It's apples and oranges, to be honest. Todd Palin is in NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER A " long time secessionist ". He looked into an minor politcal party for a few yrs, then decided to go another way, becoming an independent. Contrary to the 2 for 1 couples we see in politcs so often these days, that ain't Sarah and Todd. He's not running for V.P., she is.

There's a lot wrong with this country, and some feel that leaving it would be easier than to try to fix it. Liberals have made it clear they're willing to leave as well , and don't for a second try to deny that . Also, secessionist don't , as a rule, HATE nearly as much as the bombers or the racist that Obama hangs out with. So I'd shut your pie hole when wailing about there not being "equal coverage".

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KHYRON

Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:30 AM

How long was he in the AIP? 8 years, right? That doesn't say anything about his character to you? Or, more importantly, the type of characters that Sarah Palin pals around with? That's right, just forgive and forget...

It's true that Todd Palin isn't running for VP, but neither is William Ayers. And unlike Ayers, Todd Palin would be one heartbeat and one pillow away from the presidency.

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:41 AM

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Todd Palin is in NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER A " long time secessionist ". He looked into an minor politcal party for a few yrs, then decided to go another way

Fuck you, you stupid, cherry pickin' idiotic, pathetic, unpatriotic douschebag, side yourself with the peeps that hate this country, why doncha??? Suck the blood from your fellow Americans' veins & call for more, you vampiric piece of elephant-humping, goose-stepping fan of rapture-embracing world-haters!!! You may want to see this planet end, like your Allmighty Bush, but I want to see it continue for our children, and their children, you slimy misanthrope!!!!!

Oh. I said I was done dealing with you directly.
Nevermind.

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KWICKO

Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:48 AM

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It's apples and oranges, to be honest. Todd Palin is in NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER A " long time secessionist ". He looked into an minor politcal party for a few yrs, then decided to go another way, becoming an independent.

According to several articles,

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Sources... have not been able to find documents that would confirm [Sarah] Palin's actual membership in the organization. However, Palin has been associated with the group for 15 years and has taken part in a number of AIP events. While confirmation of her membership has not been found, it has been confirmed that her husband, Todd Palin, was in fact a member of the AIP for several years....as recently as 2002. It's interesting that Todd Palin cleaned up his membership in the group only when his wife decided to run for State-wide office.

Several sources have confirmed him as being registered as a member of the AIP for at least seven years (admittedly more than your claim of "a few years"), and Sarah Palin has attended their conventions and addressed them, telling them at their convention just this year, "Your party plays an important role in our state's politics. We have a great promise: to be a self-sufficient state. Good luck on a successful and inspiring convention. Keep up the good work, and God bless you.""

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Also, secessionist [sic] don't , as a rule, HATE nearly as much as the bombers or the racist that Obama hangs out with. So I'd shut your pie hole when wailing about there not being "equal coverage".

Yes, secessionist leader Joe Vogler was a fountain of love for America, as evidenced by his own words:

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Quotes from AIP Founder Joe Vogler:

Joe Vogler, made these comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.

“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”

Just thought you should know what kind of "patriots" your beloved little Sarah pals around with...

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He's not running for V.P., she is.

Oh, so now it's your position that who one associates with has nothing to do with it, eh? Double standard, much?

Mike

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