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McCain and Palin are lying whores!

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RUE

Sunday, October 5, 2008 9:38 PM

Saint Rap, martyr for the cause of 'the truth'

Directs to your moral credibility, son.

And some people may just be curious what you think.

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KHYRON

Sunday, October 5, 2008 9:41 PM

1) It's not baseless, I've provided the links.
2) Then go to the other thread and respond to the articles there.

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
1) It's not baseless, I've provided the links.
2) Then go to the other thread and respond to the articles there.

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Wooo 'links' , precious says ? LINKS ? Then all PirateNews ever post on here IS true then ?

I don't have to say anything more than that.

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RUE

Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:13 PM

OK Saint Rap, martyr for the cause of 'the truth'

I think you can give up your self-crowned saintly halo. Now you can offically join the ranks of the eight circle of hell - the hypocrites.

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KHYRON

Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:15 PM

Ah, so you wanted me to post the article here so that you wouldn't have to go to all the work of clicking on the link? Okay then.

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McCain and the POW Cover-up
By Sydney H. Schanberg, September 17, 2008

This article appeared in the October 6, 2008 edition of The Nation.

John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn't return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero people would logically imagine to be a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.

Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain's role in it, even as McCain has made his military service and POW history the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War have also turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn't talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.

The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a Special Forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington and even sworn testimony by two defense secretaries that "men were left behind." This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number--probably hundreds--of the US prisoners held in Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.

The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What's more, the Pentagon's POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of "debunking" POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible. The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally produced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate "Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs." The chair was John Kerry, but McCain, as a POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.

Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or tried to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general's briefing of the Hanoi Politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in the 1990s. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the Politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war's end as leverage to ensure getting reparations from Washington.

Throughout the Paris negotiations, the North Vietnamese tied the prisoner issue tightly to the issue of reparations. Finally, in a February 1, 1973, formal letter to Hanoi's premier, Pham Van Dong, Nixon pledged $3.25 billion in "postwar reconstruction" aid. The North Vietnamese, though, remained skeptical about the reparations promise being honored (it never was). Hanoi thus held back prisoners--just as it had done when the French were defeated at Dien Bien Phu in 1954 and withdrew their forces from Vietnam. France later paid ransoms for prisoners and brought them home.

Two defense secretaries who served during the Vietnam War testified to the Senate POW committee in September 1992 that prisoners were not returned. James Schlesinger and Melvin Laird, secretaries of defense under Nixon, said in a public session and under oath that they based th

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KIRKULES

Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

You are just helping to confirm my original point. You think that when Obama lies 50 times they're just exaggerations, but when McCain exaggerates they're lies. Your indignation is just as phony as the original post of this thread and only shows you are unable to be objective about the candidates due to your preconceptions. That's fine, but don't expect the rest of us to share your delusions.

This reply only shows that your indignation is phony as well - you make reference to Obama's "lies" and McCain's "exaggerations", as if one was okay, but the other isn't. They're both lies. I know you think you're being objective, but your partisanship is showing.

Mike

I think you've come as close as any here to understanding what I was trying to say. The idea that someone would condemn McCain/Palin for an exaggeration of the true story about the Obama/Ayres connection, but think all of Obama's exaggerations are just fine, just struck me as funny. I try to keep my biases in the open for all to see, I just wish others would stop playing the objective observer and admit that they convieniantly excuse the same actions they condemn when it's on the other side.

RUE

Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:22 PM

"... but think all of Obama's exaggerations are just fine ..."

A claim you've made a few times now with not a whole lot to back it up. Nothing, in fact.

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KHYRON

Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:27 PM

Ah, Kirkules, I forgot about you. Could you please provide an independent, non-partisan list of Biden's debate "lies"? The one you provided were released by the McCain campaign and is so full of spin that it's hard to make out what Biden's lies are and what the McCain campaign's lies are.

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
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Originally posted by piratenews:
Palin's just a whore. She's too dumb to lie.
WTF are you talking about!? Basically every coherent sentence she manages to string together is a lie about something. Haven't you been watching her at all!?

Rookie salespeople make the best "liars", because they don't KNOW they're lying. They just say what their managers tell them to say, and the managers lie to their salesforce.

Palin is a classic case of bimbo - "beauty queen", "sports teleprompter reader", "small town mayor". Which are sales jobs. Who's REALLY telling her what to say and what to do?

However, the longer salespersons stay on the job, eventually they reach a point of no return, where they figure out where the lies are. Then they must choose to speak the lies (that's where the big money is), or tell the truth and take a cut in pay.

Has Palin crossed that Rubicon? Is she smart enough to know what a Rubicon is?

"Dirty dirty whore!"
-Capt Malcolm Reynolds

OMG PN, that is like the smartest post you have ever made!

And btw you other idiots - Bill Ayers was involved in the "terrorist" activites 40 freakin years ago, at a time when the Vietnam War was going on and sentiments were strong AGAISNT it. At the time Obama would have been 8 fucking years old. So find something else to bitch about because this is just stupid.

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Ah, so you wanted me to post the article here so that you wouldn't have to go to all the work of clicking on the link? Okay then.

Trolls against McCain, you betcha!

No, you presented a "link" as if that's some sort of accepted bit o' evidence. It's nothing more than a fictionalized story written by a partisan and published in a far left publication.

No thanks.