Chrisisall's Economics 101
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UPDATED: Saturday, March 18, 2023 14:58
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Insanely rich peeps get that way by hoarding wealth, or by fictionalizing wealth- those are the only two ways.
A company can a) produce goods in other countries by virtual slaves and garner vast profits, or charge ridiculous high prices for cheaply domestically manufactured products that get subsidized and/or mandated by government stoolies (see: pharmasutical industry), OR, they can b) get company stocks to increase in value through lying with statistics, giving rise to the notion that a company is worth far more than it is, and generating sky high bonuses for the individuals that engineer this belief.
Basically, they grab money, or they earn money based on the ridiculous belief on the part of the masses that there's enough of it around to have a booming economy, making the rich richer & still be enough left over to have the average citizen living like a king as well (see: credit).
Bubbles are due to burst by their very nature (ever blow a bubble that didn't eventually pop as a kid?).
As long as this world is okay with paying some stupid as*hole stupid money for going 'Uh- huh' or 'I don't know' once in a while while others do the real work, the feudal system, albeit modified, still remains among us.
Thus endith my economics lesson for the day.
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Capitalismisall
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Tell that to Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Steve Jobs, and Mark Cuban for starters. They all became billionnaires from companies that were losing money. And lots of multi-millionnaires were made from IPO's of companies that never even had revenue. In the 90's it seemed like great Capitalism, today it seems like great fraud.
The IPO scams disappeared, but the players moved into the mortgage scams. This time they had friends on the Senate & House Banking and Finance Committees.
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Exceptions to the rule, or dudes that made it before de- and non-regulation let the nuts take over the nuthouse.
Don't be putting holes in my theories Jong, it'll directly impact my marketable profits, & I'll be forced to sue your a*s.
I'm a playerisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Exceptions to the rule, or dudes that made it before de- and non-regulation let the nuts take over the nuthouse.
Don't be putting holes in my theories Jong, it'll directly impact my marketable profits, & I'll be forced to sue your a*s.
I'm a playerisall
De-regulation - versus - Over-regulation...that's the key here. Many from both sides of the aisle warned repeatedly of problems with Freddie & Fannie. Those that voiced concerns were threatened with racial discrimination lawsuits, etc. The general public was constantly told that Freddie & Fannie were strong, but all the insiders knew it was a house of cards. Banks were forced by law to make bad loans, it's that simple. Affirmative Action for Housing was a PART of this mess. Lots of blame to go all around, particularly from the SEC.
Here's more on this aspect of the crisis:(quote from recent article):
"The Los Angeles Times reported that, starting in 1992, a majority-Democratic Congress "mandated that Fannie and Freddie increase their purchases of mortgages for low-income and medium-income borrowers. Operating under that requirement, Fannie Mae, in particular, has been aggressive and creative in stimulating minority gains."
Under Clinton, the entire federal government put massive pressure on banks to grant more mortgages to the poor and minorities. Clinton's secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Andrew Cuomo, investigated Fannie Mae for racial discrimination and proposed that 50 percent of Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's portfolio be made up of loans to low- to moderate-income borrowers by the year 2001.
Threatening lawsuits, Clinton's Federal Reserve demanded that banks treat welfare payments and unemployment benefits as valid income sources to qualify for a mortgage. That isn't a joke -- it's a fact.
When Democrats controlled both the executive and legislative branches, political correctness was given a veto over sound business practices.
In 1999, liberals were bragging about extending affirmative action to the financial sector. Los Angeles Times reporter Ron Brownstein hailed the Clinton administration's affirmative action lending policies as one of the "hidden success stories" of the Clinton administration, saying that "black and Latino homeownership has surged to the highest level ever recorded."
Meanwhile, economists were screaming from the rooftops that the Democrats were forcing mortgage lenders to issue loans that would fail the moment the housing market slowed and deadbeat borrowers couldn't get out of their loans by selling their houses.
A decade later, the housing bubble burst and, as predicted, food-stamp-backed mortgages collapsed. Democrats set an affirmative action time-bomb and now it's gone off.
In Bush's first year in office, the White House chief economist, N. Gregory Mankiw, warned that the government's "implicit subsidy" of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, combined with loans to unqualified borrowers, was creating a huge risk for the entire financial system.
Rep. Barney Frank denounced Mankiw, saying he had no "concern about housing." How dare you oppose suicidal loans to people who can't repay them! The New York Times reported that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were "under heavy assault by the Republicans," but these entities still had "important political allies" in the Democrats.
Now, at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, middle-class taxpayers are going to be forced to bail out the Democrats' two most important constituent groups: rich Wall Street bankers and welfare recipients.
Political correctness had already ruined education, sports, science and entertainment. But it took a Democratic president with a Democratic congress for political correctness to wreck the financial industry."
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"Banks were forced by law to make bad loans, it's that simple."
NOT TRUE.
STATE regulators, consumer agencies and attorneys general noticed an increase of PREDATORY lending but were FORCED by the administration through the OCC to NOT enforce their consumer protection statutes or their banking laws. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008
021302783.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns
FURTHERMORE - as an example - Countrywide steered roughly 50% of people who qualified for regular loans into subprime loans. After making an excess of money (fees and points) on these bad loans, they THEN sold bundles of these illegal mortgages as investment packages.
NO ONE FORCED ANYONE TO MAKE BAD LOANS ! They were driven by GREED and a FORCED LACK of regulatory oversight. Pure and simple.
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Jong, if you want the economic ponzi bullshit that started em down that road....
Follow the financial practices of America Online, and then ask Time-Warner how they felt about being sucker punched when the mask came off.
And then go ask how many of the execs responsible now live overseas.
I'd dearly love to see Steve Case swing from a rope for setting an example that lead to so much misery - AND for deliberately fostering and feeding an underground market that was even worse.
(Trust me, you'll know, it'll practically steamroller you from the side when you start digging into their finances.)
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Chris, you're funny, sometimes entertaining, but this post clearly shows you're also a boob.
Stay clear of the oily rags when you're playing w/ the shiny lighter, mmmkay ?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by rue:
"Banks were forced by law to make bad loans, it's that simple."
NOT TRUE..
Actually, that is VERY TRUE. Groups like ACORN would protest banks and force them into making bad loans for undeserving applicants.
ACORN recognized very early the opportunity presented by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. As Stanley Kurtz has reported, ACORN proudly touted "affirmative action" lending and pressured banks to make subprime loans. Madeline Talbott, a Chicago ACORN leader, boasted of "dragging banks kicking and screaming" into dubious loans. And, as Sol Stern reported in City Journal, ACORN also found a remunerative niche as an "advisor" to banks seeking regulatory approval. "Thus we have J.P. Morgan & Co., the legatee of the man who once symbolized for many all that was supposedly evil about American capitalism, suddenly donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to ACORN." Is this a great country or what? As conservative community activist Robert Woodson put it, "The same corporations that pay ransom to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pay ransom to ACORN."
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Rap
As usual, no cites, no facts, just a generous dose of Kool-Aid.
How's that roaring economy ? And those HUGE stockpiles of WMDS 'in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat' ?
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Originally posted by rue:
"Banks were forced by law to make bad loans, it's that simple."
NOT TRUE.
STATE regulators, consumer agencies and attorneys general noticed an increase of PREDATORY lending but were FORCED by the administration through the OCC to NOT enforce their consumer protection statutes or their banking laws. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008
021302783.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns
FURTHERMORE - as an example - Countrywide steered roughly 50% of people who qualified for regular loans into subprime loans. After making an excess of money (fees and points) on these bad loans, they THEN sold bundles of these illegal mortgages as investment packages.
NO ONE FORCED ANYONE TO MAKE BAD LOANS ! They were driven by GREED and a FORCED LACK of regulatory oversight. Pure and simple.
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You make it sound like Fannie & Freddie were merely acting as " fences " for everyone else's criminal activity. I believe F&F, with their bought & paid for political protection, actually became the defacto ringleader/cheerleaders of the whole criminal conspiracy.
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Originally posted by rue:
Rap
As usual, no cites, no facts, just a generous dose of Kool-Aid.
Sorry, just the facts, no kool-aid here.
One source, but as is stated in the text, as reported by Stanley Kurtz, which you can google to your heart's content and find it easily enough.
http://www.patriotfiles.com/forum/showthread.php?p=420249
Roaring economies eventually come to an end, after how how many straight quarters of postive growth ? Some would say we NEED a slow down.
WMDs were moved to Syria, in the MONTHS leading up to the war, and or some were buried , in the vast Iraqi desert. Doesn't matter, the U.N. approved of military action, we took it, took out Saddam and his sons, and the surge is working.
Job well done !
Rue, you're going to have to face reality soon enough. Quit listening to the kook- fringe assholes who are against all that is good and moral.
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!
Deal w/ it .
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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You're kidding me, right ? THESE are the facts you claim to have about that 'roaring' economy ? http://www.patriotfiles.com/forum/showthread.php?p=420249 This would be a joke if it was least a little but humorous.
And for the WMDs - Uhmm, if Rumsfeld KNEW where they were, then he KNEW they were in Syria - right ? SOOOooo - was he just pulling your leg when he said they were near Tikrit and around Baghdad ? I mean, after all, if you don't trust Rumsfeld, who DO you trust ?
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Duck and cover. There's no dance floor here, Rue, so stop prancing around. The issue now isn't WMD or a "roaring economy ", dumb ass. You made the claim that no threats were made for banks to make bad loans.
THE FACTS ARE, THEY WERE THREATENED TO MAKE BAD LAONS, and you can't deal w/ the TRUTH!!!!
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!
Deal w/ it.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Four lights ???? Are you seeing things ? Seriously.
As for those threats to make bad loans ..... YYYAAAaawwnnnn. Some cites and facts, please.
BTW - the reason why I keep bringing up the roaring economy and WMDs is b/c it highlights how consistently bad your judgment (not to say contact with reality) has been all these years.
Deal w/ it.
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Quote:And no one is gooder or moraler than you and yours, eh VELoci?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quit listening to the kook- fringe assholes who are against all that is good and moral.
I swear, if nuclear (nucular-?) war suddenly broke out,
1) It'd be Clinton's fault
2) It'd be Good for us in the long run, y'know, the Rapture (RAPture-?) and all...
3) It's be good for the economy (Martians rebuilding Earth and all).
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by rue:
Four lights ???? Are you seeing things ? Seriously.
As for those threats to make bad loans ..... YYYAAAaawwnnnn. Some cites and facts, please.
BTW - the reason why I keep bringing up the roaring economy and WMDs is b/c it highlights how consistently bad your judgment (not to say contact with reality) has been all these years.
Deal w/ it.
Thought you'd get the Star Trek/ Cardassian Mind control reference. -
Guess not.
Examples? Already given. Read again.
Back when I made the 'roaring economy ' remark, the economy was indeed doing very well, despite the lies and distortions the Left and the Mainstream media was giving. We went all over this, GDP, low unemployment numbers, low interest rate, no inflation, positive big ticket items. industry orders...ALL pointed to a strong, healthy economy. This was how many years ago ? 2 , 3 ? My POINT was that, despite what we were being told, the FACTS pointed to things not being bad at all.
WMD ? We gave Saddam MONTHS to do what ever he wanted to do w/ the WMD he had, and he seems to have skirted it across the border into Syria. We can't claim that, because it involves charges against another country, and w/ the admitted failures of intel already out there, no one is willing to stick their neck and put their job on the line now. One thing's for certain, EVERYONE assumed Iraq had WMD , in much greater numbers than we found. Saddam himself admitted to having more, but when none were found, folks simply expect us to shrug our shoulders and say " oh well, that's the end of that! ". No ruttin' way. The risk is far too high for us to close our eyes and look away.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Horsecrap, Rap, try again.Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:And no one is gooder or moraler than you and yours, eh VELoci?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quit listening to the kook- fringe assholes who are against all that is good and moral.
I swear, if nuclear (nucular-?) war suddenly broke out,
1) It'd be Clinton's fault
2) It'd be Good for us in the long run, y'know, the Rapture (RAPture-?) and all...
3) It's be good for the economy (Martians rebuilding Earth and all).
1 - It might very well be Clinton's fault, for being a paper tiger that Osama bin Laden talked about, during his Fatwa against Clinton, back in '98.
2 - Don't see the math in that. Atheist don't buy into the rapture crap.
3 - It'll give us 'the earth that was ', and we can finally see Firefly brought to real life. So, that's a good thing, right ?
BIGDAMNRaptorisall.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Horsecrap, Rap, try again.
Fact, mi amigo.
Learn to deal.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Facts are like keys; turn 'em sideways & they just open beer bottles.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact, mi amigo.
Learn to deal.
Figurethatoneoutisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Facts are like keys; turn 'em sideways & they just open beer bottles.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact, mi amigo.
Learn to deal.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Not YOUR facts, at any rate
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
BURN!!!!isall
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Facts are facts.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:No, facts are tools for expanding awareness, or hidin' the truth (which is what- half of history--?).
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Facts are facts.
Chrisisall
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Chris, you make up excuses to ignore facts all you want, it won't change a gorram thing.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Facts lead to truth, lest they're tweaked some.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris, you make up excuses to ignore facts all you want, it won't change a gorram thing.
For instance, current economic instability began in Carter years, got the pins set by Clinton's policies, and Bush rolled the strike with his 'no rules' cowboy mentality. Left wants to say it was all Bush, right wants to say it was all Clinton, tweaked facts will support either view, un-tweaked facts shows no one's clean on this.
It's that simple, but you go on hating 'the enemy', k?
isall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Facts lead to truth, lest they're tweaked some.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris, you make up excuses to ignore facts all you want, it won't change a gorram thing.
For instance, current economic instability began in Carter years, got the pins set by Clinton's policies, and Bush rolled the strike with his 'no rules' cowboy mentality. Left wants to say it was all Bush, right wants to say it was all Clinton, tweaked facts will support either view, un-tweaked facts shows no one's clean on this.
It's that simple, but you go on hating 'the enemy', k?
Empty talking points, not facts, are all you bring to the table.
Bush rolled the strike with his 'no rules' cowboy mentality.
Sadly for you, the facts don't back that claim up. Bush wanted to reign in Fannie and Freddie. Tried 34 times, he did, but only to have the Dems deny him. From the NYTimes, of all papers...
September 11, 2003– The Bush Administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry,
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC
0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
You continued objection to the facts is all that allows you to live in your fantasy world of denial.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:See, this is it- you posted some factual stuff, but the cowboy mentality of which I speak is that we illegally invaded a nation, that's from the top that the way to get things done is to ignore the rules in favour of a perceived 'good'. President don't follow rules, why should anyone?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Empty talking points, not facts, are all you bring to the table.
Bush rolled the strike with his 'no rules' cowboy mentality.
Sadly for you, the facts don't back that claim up.
And If Bush WANTED to do something, he could have, just like Katrina, but that's not 'his job'. Bullshit, no matter what mess Clinton left, he WANTED the job, so the mess became his, just like the present mess will be the RESPONSIBILITY of whoever comes next. It's a thread, not a series of stop signs.
Chrisisall
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See, this is it- you posted some factual stuff, but the cowboy mentality of which I speak is that we illegally invaded a nation,
Bullshit! Now you're spinning, to try to save face. You're attempting to do what most Libs do, and that's change the topic of discussion when you can't back up your position. The 'cowoby' reference was solely on the matter of ECONOMICS, and didn't have a gorram thing to do w/ the war in Iraq. Stick to one topic at a time, if you can.
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that's from the top that the way to get things done is to ignore the rules in favour of a perceived 'good'. President don't follow rules, why should anyone?
Sorry, but that's not how Bush sees it. It's how the LEFT sees it. Remember Paul Begala's famous quote, on Clinton making up laws via Executive Order ? " Stroke of the pen, law of the land.....kinda cool " . That's the view the LEFT has, that the President is KING, which is all fine and dandy when YOUR guy is in the Whtie House, but not for Bush ? Fuck you! You accuse Bush of doing E-X-A-C-T-L-Y what Clinton DID, while giving Clinton a pass ?
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And If Bush WANTED to do something, he could have, just like Katrina, but that's not 'his job'. Bullshit, no matter what mess Clinton left, he WANTED the job, so the mess became his, just like the present mess will be the RESPONSIBILITY of whoever comes next. It's a thread, not a series of stop signs.
Katrina is nothing more than Dems attacking this country for their own political power. Not attacking BUSH, attacking AMERICA. Dems would destroy the country to gain power , and it shows.
Screw it. I'm not getting side tracked
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It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Sadly for you, the facts don't back that claim up. Bush wanted to reign in Fannie and Freddie. Tried 34 times, he did, but only to have the Dems deny him. From the NYTimes, of all papers...
So your claim is that it's all Clinton's fault, that it started in '99, under Clinton and the Republican-led Congress, and that in the ensuing years when the Republicans had control of the House, the Senate, AND the White House, they did absolutely nothing to correct the problems. Yet somehow, they DID try, but "the Dems" denied them, even though they were badly outnumbered by the Bush Rubber Stamp Company's crew in Congress.
Is that about the size of it?
Mike
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Sadly for you, the facts don't back that claim up. Bush wanted to reign in Fannie and Freddie. Tried 34 times, he did, but only to have the Dems deny him. From the NYTimes, of all papers...
So your claim is that it's all Clinton's fault, that it started in '99, under Clinton and the Republican-led Congress, and that in the ensuing years when the Republicans had control of the House, the Senate, AND the White House, they did absolutely nothing to correct the problems. Yet somehow, they DID try, but "the Dems" denied them, even though they were badly outnumbered by the Bush Rubber Stamp Company's crew in Congress.
Is that about the size of it?
Yep. Only the Dems were never " badly outnumbered" as, you put it. The GOP didn't have the majority size they needed in order to accomplish what was needed.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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The GOP didn't have the majority size they needed in order to accomplish what was needed.
And let me guess... that they couldn't get their majority to vote to fix the problem is still Clinton's fault somehow. Even during the 6 years between Bush becoming President and the Democrats regaining a majority in the House (but NOT a majority in the Senate).
So there were six years of solid Republican control of the Executive and Legislative branches of government, and they couldn't get ANYTHING done to fix the problems which you say they all so clearly saw?
That doesn't speak very well of Republicans...
Mike
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Quote:Tell me what I mean please, I beg of you.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The 'cowoby' reference was solely on the matter of ECONOMICS, and didn't have a gorram thing to do w/ the war in Iraq.
Quote:I get it- there will be no linkage, eh?
Stick to one topic at a time, if you can.
Quote:Quan do liu sha did I ever not ask how HE sees it?
Sorry, but that's not how Bush sees it.
Quote:Fuck ME???
. That's the view the LEFT has, that the President is KING, which is all fine and dandy when YOUR guy is in the Whtie House, but not for Bush ? Fuck you! You accuse Bush of doing E-X-A-C-T-L-Y what Clinton DID, while giving Clinton a pass ?
no, FUCK YOU, you little elephant-humping piece of psuedo-patriotic shit, you're saying Bush could start a war on bullshit terms and throw this country into trillions in debt, and get 100,000 humans fucking DEAD in the process, but somehow could not get light shed on the Democratic-shielded Fannie/Freddie debacle??? Y'know, I'm kinda glad you can't get you goddamn head outta your stupid ass, the sound would crack my CRT, you pious, self-righteous, partisan motherfucker!!!*
*That's how it's done where I'm from
NYerisall
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No, FUCK YOU, Chrissy. YOUR GORRAM WORDS
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Facts lead to truth, lest they're tweaked some.
For instance, current economic instability began in Carter years, got the pins set by Clinton's policies, and Bush rolled the strike with his 'no rules' cowboy mentality
YOU started this off by talking of the ECONOMIC situation. Then, when I clearly gave evidence to support my point,which showed Bush attempted to stay this crisis, years ago, YOU did the pussy move of duck and dive by trying shift the topic to Bush going into Iraq, which didn't have a god damn thing to do w/ the topic of discussion. Iraq doesn't have 1 damn thing to do w/ the mortgage crisis or the stock market tanking, and you KNOW it. Your ' cowboy mentality ' of Bush was NOT about Iraq. Why can't you be a man, FOR ONCE, and admit you got your ass handed to you? OH, you're too much of a punk to admit it, is what I'm guessin'.
Had higher hopes for you, I did.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Horsecrap, Rap, try again.
I thought it smelled more like Bullshit. I need to get back to the farm.....
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"We don't fear the reaper"
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Horsecrap, Rap, try again.
I thought it smelled more like Bullshit. I need to get back to the farm.....
If you've got something to say, then just say it like a mature, upright walking human being. Instead, you're nothing more than a whiney, ill tempered brat. Thankfully, w/ no freakin' laser beam on your noggin, but a brat none the less.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Rap
You DO know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac don't actually write loans to consumers - right ?
That the problems are due to the orginal banks and lending organizations - right ?
That the problems are FAR bigger than either corporation, and that 'reforming' either one or both would not have solved the problems - right ?
That 'reforming' them would have been rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic - right ?
And that blaming those corporations for bad loans is like blaming the yellow leaves on the trees for the approach of winter - right ?
You DO know all this - right ?
BANK FAILURES
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/index.html
Washington Mutual Bank, Henderson, NV and Washington Mutual Bank FSB, Park City, UT September 25, 2008 September 25, 2008
Ameribank, Northfork, WV September 19, 2008 September 19, 2008
Silver State Bank, Henderson, NV
En Español September 5, 2008 September 5, 2008
Integrity Bank, Alpharetta, GA August 29, 2008 August 29, 2008
The Columbian Bank and Trust, Topeka, KS August 22, 2008 August 22, 2008
First Priority Bank, Bradenton, FL August 1, 2008 August 1, 2008
First Heritage Bank, NA, Newport Beach, CA July 25, 2008 July 25, 2008
First National Bank of Nevada, Reno, NV July 25, 2008 July 25, 2008
IndyMac Bank, Pasadena, CA July 11, 2008 July 11, 2008
First Integrity Bank, NA, Staples, MN May 30, 2008 July 25, 2008
ANB Financial, NA, Bentonville, AR May 9, 2008 July 25, 2008
Hume Bank, Hume, MO March 7, 2008 July 25, 2008
Douglass National Bank, Kansas City, MO January 25, 2008 July 25, 2008
Miami Valley Bank, Lakeview, OH October 4, 2007 July 25, 2008
NetBank, Alpharetta, GA September 28, 2007 July 25, 2008
Metropolitan Savings Bank, Pittsburgh, PA February 2, 2007 July 25, 2008
Bank of Ephraim, Ephraim, UT June 25, 2004 April 9, 2008
Reliance Bank, White Plains, NY March 19, 2004 April 9, 2008
Guaranty National Bank of Tallahassee, Tallahassee, FL March 12, 2004 July 25, 2008
Dollar Savings Bank, Newark, NJ February 14, 2004 April 9, 2008
Pulaski Savings Bank, Philadelphia, PA November 14, 2003 July 22, 2005
BEAR STEARNS BAILOUT
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/16/business/paulson.php
Bear Stearns had made a fortune in mortgage-backed securities but faced a possible collapse after those investments soured.
ARMS AND SUBPRIME LOANS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble
The crisis began with the bursting of the United States housing bubble[1][2] and high default rates on "subprime" and adjustable rate mortgages (ARM), beginning in approximately 2005–2006. For a number of years prior to that, declining lending standards, an increase in loan incentives such as easy initial terms, and a long-term trend of rising housing prices had encouraged borrowers to assume difficult mortgages in the belief they would be able to quickly refinance at more favorable terms. However, once interest rates began to rise and housing prices started to drop moderately in 2006–2007 in many parts of the U.S., refinancing became more difficult. Defaults and foreclosure activity increased dramatically as easy initial terms expired, home prices failed to go up as anticipated, and ARM interest rates reset higher. Foreclosures accelerated in the United States in late 2006 and triggered a global financial crisis through 2007 and 2008. During 2007, nearly 1.3 million U.S. housing properties were subject to foreclosure activity, up 79% from 2006.[3]
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Horsecrap, Rap, try again.
I thought it smelled more like Bullshit. I need to get back to the farm.....
If you've got something to say, then just say it like a mature, upright walking human being. Instead, you're nothing more than a whiney, ill tempered brat. Thankfully, w/ no freakin' laser beam on your noggin, but a brat none the less.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
If being a snob means being extremely intelligent, caring about the world around me, caring that people have health care and food and a place to live, caring that my nephew and the men and women he works with stays safe and gets the fuck out of Iraq. Actually living my life according to the teachings of Christ and not pretending to - if all that makes me a snob then FANFUCKINGTASTIC. Better a snob than a kool aid drinking idiot.
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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If being a snob means being extremely intelligent, caring about the world around me, caring that people have health care and food and a place to live, caring that my nephew and the men and women he works with stays safe and gets the fuck out of Iraq. Actually living my life according to the teachings of Christ and not pretending to - if all that makes me a snob then FANFUCKINGTASTIC. Better a snob than a kool aid drinking idiot.
Wow. Easy to throw your messiah worshiping self off the trail of any damn topic, huh?
I'm sure, if Jesus ever was real, he'd LOVE your foul mouthed little self to death!
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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If being a snob means being extremely intelligent, caring about the world around me, caring that people have health care and food and a place to live, caring that my nephew and the men and women he works with stays safe and gets the fuck out of Iraq. Actually living my life according to the teachings of Christ and not pretending to - if all that makes me a snob then FANFUCKINGTASTIC. Better a snob than a kool aid drinking idiot.
Wow. Easy to throw your messiah worshiping self off the trail of any damn topic, huh?
I'm sure, if Jesus ever was real, he'd LOVE your foul mouthed little self to death!
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Of course he would, Jesus would even love you, dumbass. Interesting assertion though, that I took it off topic.
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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If being a snob means being extremely intelligent, caring about the world around me, caring that people have health care and food and a place to live, caring that my nephew and the men and women he works with stays safe and gets the fuck out of Iraq. Actually living my life according to the teachings of Christ and not pretending to - if all that makes me a snob then FANFUCKINGTASTIC. Better a snob than a kool aid drinking idiot.
Wow. Easy to throw your messiah worshiping self off the trail of any damn topic, huh?
I'm sure, if Jesus ever was real, he'd LOVE your foul mouthed little self to death!
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Of course he would, Jesus would even love you, dumbass. Interesting assertion though, that I took it off topic.
Oh, but you did.
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I thought it smelled more like Bullshit. I need to get back to the farm.
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You make it sound like Fannie & Freddie were merely acting as " fences " for everyone else's criminal activity. I believe F&F, with their bought & paid for political protection, actually became the defacto ringleader/cheerleaders of the whole criminal conspiracy.
It's somewhat accurate, they didn't give mortgages to end customers, they bought sold and packaged existing debts into portfolios.
By the by, nice to see AURaptor proving himself quite the troll as per.
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Quote:Getting us trillions in debt before this bubble burst has no economic impact on the crisis, thanks for correcting me, you little dweeb.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
YOU started this off by talking of the ECONOMIC situation.
Quote:Once again, thanks for setting me straight on myself.
Your ' cowboy mentality ' of Bush was NOT about Iraq.
Quote:Au, I know my ass. I've lived with my ass.
Why can't you be a man, FOR ONCE, and admit you got your ass handed to you?
Au, that was not my ass you handed me.
It was shit from a different source.
Quote:Come over here and bring it on, biped, I'll wipe the floor with your fat ass, I'll beat you like the establishment lap dog that you are.
OH, you're too much of a punk to admit it, is what I'm guessin'.
Why love authority so anyway? Where were the teachers when the big kids were picking on you?
You retreated into you intellect for safety back then, not quite knowing that it'd be your lifelong prison, right? You made the mistake of thinking that you can always reason your way out of discomfort, and your arrested pre-adolescent defense mechanisms now pervert your every perception.
Well, the Liberals ain't the jocks melvining you, and you brain ain't the Grand Arena.
Nothing you spout is what it seems.
Grow the fuck up for a change. I'm done coddling your ass.
Tough loveisall
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Quote:Ahhh, now we see your true colours, you Godless Satan worshiper.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm sure, if Jesus ever was real
FYI Jesus WAS a real man, which is more than I can say for you.
BTW, don't worry about going to Hell, you're in it now; mental confusion & cowering in hopeless, futile and fear-based conviction is one of the levels.
isall
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Of course he would, Jesus would even love you, dumbass. Interesting assertion though, that I took it off topic.
Jesus loves you, Craptor. The rest of us think you're an asshole.
Mike
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Chris, you're funny, sometimes entertaining, but this post clearly shows you're also a boob.
This from the guy who actually STILL believes that Obama's a Muslim...
Mike
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Quote:Aww Mike, let's not make it all about AU- there's plenty of folk in this country that are just as stupid, hundreds of thousands in point of fact.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
This from the guy who actually STILL believes that Obama's a Muslim...
Chrisisall
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Why love authority so anyway? Where were the teachers when the big kids were picking on you?
You retreated into you intellect for safety back then, not quite knowing that it'd be your lifelong prison, right? You made the mistake of thinking that you can always reason your way out of discomfort, and your arrested pre-adolescent defense mechanisms now pervert your every perception.
Well, the Liberals ain't the jocks melvining you, and you brain ain't the Grand Arena.
Nothing you spout is what it seems.
Grow the fuck up for a change. I'm done coddling your ass.
Tough loveisall
It's funny, to see you , once again, side step the entire issue, to offer nothing but childish insults and obfuscate your way out of dealing w/ the facts.
FACT - The current home mortgage crisis in no way, what so ever, was influenced by the Iraq war. I know you'd like to think so , but the fact is, it doesn't. Not one bit.
Buh...buh....buh....all those BILLIONS W wasted on Iraq MUST have had SOME effect, right ?
Nope. None. What we're dealing here with is a crisis that's many times the ENRON collapse, and yet not ONE of those who brought us the problem are being QUESTIONED! No, those at fault, primarily the Democrats like Barney Frank, are actually being looked to to SOLVE this issue, if you can imagine that.
Sorry, there I go again, dealing in the real world, where you're stuck in the ethereal realm . You'd rather dream up baseless scenarios of childhoods for folks you've never even met. You'd rather project your fears and shortcomings onto others as a way to retaliate on a message board when you really have no clue of how to reply and still make yourself look competent.
I know, what was I thinking ?
Dude, it's you who has to grow the fuck up.
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Of course he would, Jesus would even love you, dumbass. Interesting assertion though, that I took it off topic.
Jesus loves you, Craptor. The rest of us think you're an asshole.
Mike
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Jesus is dead, and he ain't coming back, you religious whacko.
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Quote:That's not quantifiable, and therefore out of the realm of factual or not. It is MY OPINION that the cavalier attitude demonstrated by the current administration did nothing but embolden the weasles on Wall Street, and that they merely more furiously toiled at it, following the example set by your glorious leader. Okay, yeah, I didn't know Bush's boys had an eye on what was going down, or that they even voiced a protest, but it can't have been too loud a voice seeing as I never even heard of it before.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
FACT - The current home mortgage crisis in no way, what so ever, was influenced by the Iraq war.
Quote:Ohhhh, I hit close to the mark, I see, heh heh
You'd rather project your fears and shortcomings onto others as a way to retaliate on a message board
Additional hint: chicks like sensitive, flexible, open types, that's why your relationships fail- you come off like a fucking know-it-all, as subtle in your romantic techniques as you are with your politics.
This personal attack courtesy of Chrisisall
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Additional hint: chicks like sensitive, flexible, open types, that's why your relationships fail- you come off like a fucking know-it-all, as subtle in your romantic techniques as you are with your politics.
Oh that's low. You know AURaptor is just pissed that this particular Brit has slept with more American women than he has...
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Wait...that's not nice, I shouldn't laugh at other's misfortune...
UNLESS THEY BRING IT ON THEMSELVES!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
Mean & not at all nice Chrisisall
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Of course he would, Jesus would even love you, dumbass. Interesting assertion though, that I took it off topic.
Jesus loves you, Craptor. The rest of us think you're an asshole.
Mike
Some of us think AUraptor is a bad ass dude. I just love threads like this one were single handed he takes on three liberals, one Brit and a retard. AUraptor is the only one in RWED that produces sources for his facts on demand and always backs up his claims. The fact that you all so readily dismiss the facts he presents just makes you all look like idiots. I may not always agree with AUraptor but he always has his facts straight.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Additional hint: chicks like sensitive, flexible, open types, that's why your relationships fail- you come off like a fucking know-it-all, as subtle in your romantic techniques as you are with your politics.
Oh that's low. You know AURaptor is just pissed that this particular Brit has slept with more American women than he has...
That's cool Citizen, we've got enough fat chicks for all you Brits and the gay guys will dance with those left over.
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Some of us think AUraptor is a bad ass dude.
I repeat:
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there's plenty of folk in this country that are just as stupid, hundreds of thousands in point of fact.
sorry- couldn't resist...Here's an example of an equally fact-loaded shithead: The Bizarro Chrisisall:
"The dark side of the moon is a fact, there is no denying it, and since most bodies rotate independently in relation to each other, the conclusion is undeniable- aliens are keeping us from seeing it for a REASON!!! They manufacture Republicans there!!!"
Laugh & giggles aside, sure he has plenty of facts, and he wields them like a little kid with his father's nunchaku.
Chrisisall
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I may not always agree with AUraptor but he always has his facts straight.
Oh horseshit. Just a few posts up, he says that there is no way in hell the Iraq War had ANY effect on the mortgage collapse, which is utter and complete bullshit. BECAUSE Bush insisted on cranking the Fed's printing presses into full overdrive to keep the cash flowing, the value of the dollar fell as much as 60% - meaning that the home you bought with a loan for 110% of it value, is now worth far less than you borrowed to buy it, which means that you're throwing money down a deep, dark hole; many Americans are finding it easier just to walk away and start over - and that is a DIRECT result of the Bush policies, both as regards Iraq AND as regards regulation, the economy, the middle class, and American in general.
Mike
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That's cool Citizen, we've got enough fat chicks for all you Brits and the gay guys will dance with those left over.
that is absolutely no way to talk about your sister.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Additional hint: chicks like sensitive, flexible, open types, that's why your relationships fail- you come off like a fucking know-it-all, as subtle in your romantic techniques as you are with your politics.
Oh that's low. You know AURaptor is just pissed that this particular Brit has slept with more American women than he has...
That's cool Citizen, we've got enough fat chicks for all you Brits and the gay guys will dance with those left over.
Yeah, 'Rappy's supposed to be quite light in the loafers himself...
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
AUraptor is the only one in RWED that produces sources for his facts on demand and always backs up his claims. The fact that you all so readily dismiss the facts he presents just makes you all look like idiots.
Auraptor rarely produces a source for his 'data'. He often produces quotes, but quite often won't cite them because they come from sources known to be worthless. It makes him, and all those that apparently hang on his every word, look like idiots.
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Kirk, YOU bring an argument, Geeze brings an argument, hell even Hero from his wacked out although applicable humor or legal takes on something, brings something worth debating, or at least mocking, to the party.
Rap generally depends on copy/pasted talking points and personal insult, when not resorting to outright fiction, and when pressed instead of presenting an actual defense based on his assessment of the situation, resorts to laughable justifications and downright flaming.
And hell yes, I am oh so very well aware he ain't the only one who does it, and that comes from both ends of the spectrum around here, still don't make it anything but stupid and useless.
I'll argue a point, heck, I will even argue the merits of a point that I think is wrong, in my sarcastic verbal bar brawl fashion, so long as I think it worth the time to argue the point in either direction, sure...
But with Rap, mostly I just point and laugh, cause even when something he shovels is absolutely, completely and firmly discredited or blown to bits (and he's brought some downright whoppers in his time) he just goes on as if it wasn't and that makes me question his contact with reality sometimes.
Which makes it all the worse on the rare occasions where he might have a point, cause he has so utterly discredited himself that no one is gonna bother arguing with the guy save to wind him up till he shows his true colors with a temper tantrum more appropriate to a young child than an adult arguing a political point.
And most of his sources are not exactly any more credible than the weekly world news, and often he deliberately obfuscates the source (which I caught him out on recently, you will recall) because he freakin knows that when he cherry picks his copy/pasted mush.
I do take issue with throwing the word Troll around, since much like PN, somewhere in there Rap actually has an arguement, but he's certainly no damn better at expressing it, and when he resorts to flaming instead of putting effort into getting concept across, folks just quit listenin.
Me, I just sit back and throw the verbal equivalent of rotten fruit at opportune moments, cause if there ain't no point in arguing it, then at least imma pull some entertainment value out of winding em up a little more.
I don't really have a lotta sympathy though, not when the inevitable end results of someones own actions catch up with them, yanno ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Well now, this thread is entertaining the Hell outta me, lemme tell ya.
But it wouldn't have been possible without, the man hisself, AU.
Let's give the boy a great big hand.
isall
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http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
lol
Lets party like its 1939
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http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
lol
Lets party like its 1939
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That's not quantifiable, and therefore out of the realm of factual or not.
Yeah, it is, actually. Pick up a newspaper or even watch CNN.
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It is MY OPINION that the cavalier attitude demonstrated by the current administration did nothing but embolden the weasles on Wall Street, and that they merely more furiously toiled at it, following the example set by your glorious leader. Okay, yeah, I didn't know Bush's boys had an eye on what was going down, or that they even voiced a protest, but it can't have been too loud a voice seeing as I never even heard of it before.
That you never heard a voice doesn't mean there never was one. Look up in the thread, brainless. I posted EXACTLY what the 'Bush boys ' were trying to do to solve this issue, YEARS in advance. It was as loud as it needed to be, at the time, and was specific enough for anyone. It's just the Dems simply didn't want to listen. And what the Dems don't want you to hear.....
September 11, 2003 – The Bush Administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry,
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC
0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
And the Dem's reply ? ON THE VERY SAME DAY......
These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems... the less we will see in terms of affordable housing. - Barney Frank, ( D ) Chair of the House Financial Services Committee
Now, you can either deal w/ the facts, or you can continue the dance of the ignorant, make asinine and juvenile remarks about how many women we've slept with or who got bullied the most when they were a child. I can understand your intense desire to continue side stepping the issue, because you're woefully uninformed on this matter, and as a defense mechanism, you're gleefully willing to throw up any and all manner of distractions.
I've posted these facts more than once in this thread alone, and not ONCE have you even attempted to reconcile what's been said in the least.
Until you do, I have nothing more left to prove.
G'day.
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The lie of the day award goes to ....
CITIZEN!!
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Auraptor rarely produces a source for his 'data'. He often produces quotes, but quite often won't cite them because they come from sources known to be worthless. It makes him, and all those that apparently hang on his every word, look like idiots.
Every piece of pretty ,every quote or story I've presented is either referenced or linked , as per usual. Since Mr Bean here can't offer up any worth while reply what so ever, he closes his eyes and makes wishful claims to make him feel better about himself. Not unlike other ridiculous claims he's been known to make.
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The lie of the day award goes to ....
CITIZEN!!Quote:
Auraptor rarely produces a source for his 'data'. He often produces quotes, but quite often won't cite them because they come from sources known to be worthless. It makes him, and all those that apparently hang on his every word, look like idiots.
Every piece of pretty ,every quote or story I've presented is either referenced or linked , as per usual. Since Mr Bean here can't offer up any worth while reply what so ever, he closes his eyes and makes wishful claims to make him feel better about himself. Not unlike other ridiculous claims he's been known to make.
As Usual your accusations are only applicable to yourself.
This Post, made by you, has neither reference nor link. Your statement that "every quote or story I've presented is either referenced or linked" is a verifiable lie, as per usual.
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Actually, that is VERY TRUE. Groups like ACORN would protest banks and force them into making bad loans for undeserving applicants.
ACORN recognized very early the opportunity presented by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. As Stanley Kurtz has reported, ACORN proudly touted "affirmative action" lending and pressured banks to make subprime loans. Madeline Talbott, a Chicago ACORN leader, boasted of "dragging banks kicking and screaming" into dubious loans. And, as Sol Stern reported in City Journal, ACORN also found a remunerative niche as an "advisor" to banks seeking regulatory approval. "Thus we have J.P. Morgan & Co., the legatee of the man who once symbolized for many all that was supposedly evil about American capitalism, suddenly donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to ACORN." Is this a great country or what? As conservative community activist Robert Woodson put it, "The same corporations that pay ransom to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pay ransom to ACORN."
Note the lack of cite, reference or even vague handwave to source.
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As Stanley Kurtz has reported.....
And the link, to shut your pie hole - http://sweetness-light.com/archive/stanley-kurtz-on-obamas-acorn-pals
Boy, schooled your Limey ass on that one.
Next ?
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As Stanley Kurtz has reported.....
Boy, schooled your Limey ass on that one.
Next ?
That's a sentence from within the quote cup cake. A phrase that forms part of the cite, is not a reference to that cite, it's part of it, QED. The Stanley Kurtz thing is your quote making vague reference to it's source. It's not you making reference or link to anything. Even if it was, it falls far short of a useful cite, but of course such a distinction is probably beyond you...
Boy, schooled your Klan arse on that one.
Next?
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A reference is stating where the quote or information came from, dumbass.
Whether technically accurate or not, the source was plainly stated, clear for any and all to see. That you don't want to accept doesn't change one damn thing.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/stanley-kurtz-on-obamas-acorn-pals
heh heh.. 'Klan'....funny. More of your silly fantasies on display.
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A reference is stating where the quote or information came from, dumbass.
Whether technically accurate or not, the source was plainly stated, clear for any and all to see. That you don't want to accept doesn't change one damn thing.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/stanley-kurtz-on-obamas-acorn-pals
heh heh.. 'Klan'....funny.
Yes, and you didn't do that, dumbass. The source was plainly NOT stated by you or anyone else. Just because you're wrong and lack the morals to admit it, doesn't mean a damn thing.
Also, I don't find your membership of a racist organisation funny, even if you do.
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Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry,
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
Now, it is your assertion that "the Dems simply didn't want to listen". Do you have any kind of legislative backstory source on that to back up that claim? Was it ONLY the Democrats in Congress who wouldn't listen when Bush (who as a Conservative wants to SHRINK government, remember) proposed creating an entire new department within the government, aimed at taking away Congressional oversight and authority (and checks and balances, by the way) on financing and spending (which are, according to the Constitution, the actual JOB of the Congress)?
Was there legislation written up and proposed to Congress? Was there a vote in Congress on this proposal? Was the outcome of that vote 100% of the Democrats opposed to it and 100% of the Republicans in favor of it?
If not, then your claim that "the Dems simply wouldn't listen" is just more bullshit partisan spin on your part.
As per usual...
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Oh ho, tumbled to the dirty secret have you there, Citizen ?
Also how I know what thier talking points are gonna be before they start shovelling em...
Stormfront is another one they're fond of pulling from, as is a certain radio channel.
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If not, then your claim that "the Dems simply wouldn't listen" is just more bullshit partisan spin on your part.
As per usual...
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Hey, FUCKING DUMBASS.... do you even READ what is posted ?? Clearly, you don't , as I gave you a quote by the CHAIR of the House Financing Committee - BARNEY FRANK - DEMOCRAT. What's this...4th or 5th time I've had to post this here ??
These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems... the less we will see in terms of affordable housing
HE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY CRISIS, THUS, HE IGNORED THE PROBLEM!!
Jesus fucking christ, you myrmidons of the Left are so god damn blind.
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Also, I don't find your membership of a racist organisation funny, even if you do.
It's funny because you're using the classic " I can't debate him, so I'll reference him as being a racist " tactic. It's so predictable. So often used by those who have long ago lost the match of wits, ahhh.....that's just funny.
The Klan ? Nothing could be more further from the truth, and that's what is so funny.
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It's funny because you're using the classic " I can't debate him, so I'll call reference him as being a racist " tactic. It's so predictable. So often used by those who have long ago lost the match of wits, ahhh.....that's just funny.
Or, as in this case, those talking to an actual racist. Not to mention those who've beaten someone so often, and beaten them again in their opening post, so that subsequent efforts are just superfluous to the point of pointlessness. I won about three posts back, I need try no further, the only one who hasn't realised that here, is you
.I'm content to laugh at you while you stamp your jack booted little foot.
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Or, as in this case, those talking to an actual racist. Not to mention those who've beaten someone so often, and beaten them again in their opening post, so that subsequent efforts are just superfluous to the point of pointlessness. j
ROFLOL!! Oh, yeah baby... an " ACTUAL RACIST " Keep it up! I'm dying here....
Quote:Oh, SUUUUUUUUREEE you did, Mr Bean. I'm sure it's important for you to think that, your widdle ego so easily bruised.
I won about three posts back, I need try no further, the only one who hasn't realised that here, is you
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I'm content to laugh at you while you stamp your jack booted little foot.
Exactly what IS a ' jack boot ' again? Dunno, never saw one, but you sure seem to know.
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On-line screaming won't make your posts make any more sense, Rap.
The height of predatory lending was in 2003 - that was the ship hitting the iceberg.
Bad loans are not the same as predatory loans. Predatory lending by definition is fraudulent lending. It includes offering only subprime loans to people who qualify for regular loans (Fannie Mae estimates 51% of subprime loans were in that category), excessive fees, unnecessary products like insurance, abusive prepayment penalties, loan flipping and other practices. No one FORCED banks and lenders into these practices - they did it all themselves, out of greed. Well, they had the help of the administration through the office of the OCC which forbade ANY state regulatory action against these lenders. And where was the FDIC ? Checking on whether banks were properly capitalized for their loans ? No, it was asleep at the switch, just like the administration wanted.
F&F started acquiring those bad loans shortly thereafter, along with 'investment' banks who bought bundled mortgages - that was the ship taking on water, unbeknownst to the captain or senior crew.
Defaults started rising in 2005 - the alarm is sounded but everyone was trying to avoid panicking the passengers.
Mr. Syron head of Freddie Mac received numerous warnings from his analysts beginning in 2004. Fannie Mae analysts were heeded in 2005 and it began to limit its purchase of the loans. Banks buy out banks and lending institutions, like BofA buying Countrywide and Merrill Lynch, or American National Bank buying Citizens National Bank.
But the system can't keep up with the combination of failing predatory loans and falling home prices. Banks fail and are taken over by the FDIC. If you look at the timeline of FDIC bank failures you'll see very few - until 2008. Then they start to fall like dominoes.
The government tries 'bailouts' - though in this case we're talking about people 'bailing out' into the life rafts.
Oddly enough, just like with the Titanic the rich and powerful and the crew get the best seats first. They will mostly be spared.
The FIRST major player to be bailed out was NOT a quasi-government institution - it was Bear Stearns - through a government-backed purchase by JPMorgan. Then went Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and then AIG.
What does this tell you ?
It SHOULD tell you that the problem isn’t Freddy Mac or Fannie Mae. The illegal loans were already made. The ship was already fatally damaged. And even after those institutions were 'bailed-out' the problem continued to grow. Clearly F&F were not the cause of the problem - just more victims of the original cause.
By looking at the timeline it SHOULD tell you ACORN wasn't the problem either. Clearly ACORN did not practice predatory lending. That was already in place in 2003 when all 50 state governors and attorneys general tried to address the problem and were barred BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from doing so. So ACORN wasn't the problem.
It SHOULD tell you that deregulation doesn't work. The primary problem was the massive number of predatory loans generated. When ONE TYPE of predatory loan accounts for over 50% of subprime loans and subprime laons are 17% of all loans, then you know the problem is very, very large. 8% of ALL loans are just ONE TYPE of pedatory loan. And then those loans were sold to F&F and investment banks.
So, why would anyone muzzle the regulators ? Because it created a bubble that made the economy look better than it was.
And who might want to do that ? I'm guessing the people in power during 2003 who hamstrung the regulators. You tell me who they are.
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Hey, FUCKING DUMBASS.... do you even READ what is posted ?? Clearly, you don't , as I gave you a quote by the CHAIR of the House Financing Committee - BARNEY FRANK - DEMOCRAT. What's this...4th or 5th time I've had to post this here ??
Hey, shit-eater, take that dildo out of your mouth and answer the question:
HOW IS IT THAT THE REPUBLICANS, WHO WERE IN CONTROL OF BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS *AND* THE WHITE HOUSE, COULDN'T GET ANYTHING DONE ON THIS? AND HOW IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS' FAULT?
And, while you're at it, can you please explain to us all how Barney Frank was the Chair of the House "Financing" Committee back then, when the Republicans were in control of the House? Your quote is listed as "a quote by the CHAIR of the House Financing Committee - BARNEY FRANK - DEMOCRAT" as if he held that position at the time you're talking about. He didn't; that position was held by a Republican. Congressman Frank was merely one of 435 Representatives in the House, and only a member of the House Financial Services Committee, not its chair. That makes you either an idiot, or a liar. Probably both, given your track record.
Rupert Murdoch is clearly steering you wrong on this one. Again.
You keep trying to spin this as being ENTIRELY the Democrats' fault, even though the Republicans had majorities in both the House and the Senate, they had easily enough votes to enact anything they wanted, with or without help from the Democrats, and they had a President who apparently wanted to do so, AND they had the Chairs in each of the committees, since they were the power in control.
So if it was such a fucking great idea, how is it that Bush was unable to get support for it even among his own party? If the Democrats weren't listening, then clearly neither were Bush's own party members, who were in control of the House, and both chaired and steered that committee you keep calling Franks' committee.
This would be comparable to me laying the whole Waco/Branch Davidian thing at Bush's feet, saying "Governor Bush agreed to let the feds come in" - knowing full well that Bush wasn't the Governor of Texas at the time of the Mount Carmel siege, but assigning his later office to him at the time anyway. It's fraud, and it's a lie.
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not ONCE have you even attempted to reconcile what's been said in the least.
Until you do, I have nothing more left to prove.
What's this?
" Okay, yeah, I didn't know Bush's boys had an eye on what was going down"
That's 'not in the least'???
Moronsayswhat?
Did you say 'what'?
I knew you did, you moron.
(PS, I sink to this level with you because trying to make concrete sense to a child just wastes everyone's time.)
Wanna prove something to everyone here?
Prove that the sum of the interior angles of a triangle equals one hundred eighty degrees, because so far you've failed to prove that
*Palin has any qualifications to be the VP
*The trillion dollar war debt had NO effect on Wall Street's collapse
*Bush does not belong behind bars
*The Democrats are the mostest evilist entity on Earth
*You have attempted copulation with a human female who is NOT your cousin
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If you don't have the $$, there's no one putting a gun to your head to sign those ' predatory loans', which is a ridiculous premise from the start.
If there's fraud, that's one thing, but that's NOT what caused the mortgage criss we're facing today.
Nice try.
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If there's fraud, that's one thing, but that's NOT what caused the mortgage criss we're facing today.
Yeah, it was all caused by one quote from over five years ago by some member of the "House Financing Committee"...
Nice try.
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"If you don't have the $$, there's no one putting a gun to your head to sign those ' predatory loans', which is a ridiculous premise from the start."
Are you saying there's no such thing as illegal predatory loans ? That all 50 state AGs didn't try to do something about them ? And that such loans are at a minimum 8% of ALL loans made ? And that a default rate of 8% (on top of the normal 2%) isn't enough to bring the system down ?
'Cause if you are then you're way further gone than I think.
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Mike....
did or did NOT Barney Frank say those words about Fannie Mae ?
Oh, yesm he did.
And is he now the Chair of the House Finance Committee ?
Again, yes he is.
You have no case.
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"If you don't have the $$, there's no one putting a gun to your head to sign those ' predatory loans', which is a ridiculous premise from the start."
Are you saying there's no such thing as illegal predatory loans ? That all 50 state AGs didn't try to do something about them ? And that such loans are at a minimum 8% of ALL loans made ? And that a default rate of 8% (on top of the normal 2%) isn't enough to bring the system down ?
If there's fraud, that's one thing,
I clarly stated that if there's fraud, then obviously that's a case for legal action. I'm not denying anything of the sort, but there's no way you can claim that illegal lending is what is at the root of the mortgage crisis.
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If there's fraud, that's one thing, but that's NOT what caused the mortgage criss we're facing today.
Yeah, it was all caused by one quote from over five years ago by some member of the "House Financing Committee"...
Nice try.
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Well, it's true.
Sorry.
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Barney Frank caused the whole mess five years ago when he was just another democrat in a committee run by repubicans ?
Rap, please. Take your meds.
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I nominate Barney Frank for dictator!
Clearly he's the best choice for the job. Why, he has the power to collapse entire economies with a mere word from his mouth and a wave of his hand!
BARNEY FRANK FOR DICTATOR!
BARNEY FRANK FOR DICTATOR!
Hey, if McLame's lobbying for the job, I figure we better get our nominations in soon.
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Mike....
did or did NOT Barney Frank say those words about Fannie Mae ?
Oh, yesm he did.
And is he now the Chair of the House Finance Committee ?
Again, yes he is.
You have no case.
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Ah, I see. If someone said something in the last five or more years that has since turned out to be wrong, it proves how worthless they are. I see your logic now.
So it's now your stated position that John McCain is utterly unprepared to be President of the United States, yes?
After all, up until less than two weeks ago, he was still claiming that there was no crisis, and that our economy was strong.
I guess that means this is all his fault... After all, he claimed there was nothing wrong.
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Ah, I see. If someone said something in the last five or more years that has since turned out to be wrong, it proves how worthless they are. I see your logic now.
So it's now your stated position that John McCain is utterly unprepared to be President of the United States, yes?
After all, up until less than two weeks ago, he was still claiming that there was no crisis, and that our economy was strong.
I guess that means this is all his fault... After all, he claimed there was nothing wrong.
Mike
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McCain never said 'nothing is wrong', he simply said the economy is strong. Not the most eloquent way of putting it, but the basis of our economy is still in tact, though there is reason for concern.
McCain may not be an economist, but at least he came back to D.C. and tried to do something about this " non crisis ", while Obama simply wanted to call it in from the road.
Looks to me that McCain is a far better leader than Obama, as he took a proactive attitude toward this whole issue, and Obama didn't.
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McCain may not be an economist, but at least he came back to D.C. and tried to do something about this " non crisis ", while Obama simply wanted to call it in from the road.
Looks to me that McCain is a far better leader than Obama, as he took a proactive attitude toward this whole issue, and Obama didn't.
Man, you are one stupid little dude.
Please explain to us all EXACTLY what it was that McCain did. What testimony did he give? What vote did he cast? In fact, name me one single vote that he's cast in the Senate since April 8, 2008. What meetings did he chair?
What did he do other than fall asleep while watching a meeting, then laugh about the whole problem during his photo op with Bush? What was the point of him even being there, other than as a limp-dicked attempt to revitalize his sagging campaign prospects?
What actions did he take? What vote did he influence? What was the outcome of all his "hard work"?
Please enlighten us all.
We'll wait.
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McCain may not be an economist, but at least he came back to D.C. and tried to do something about this " non crisis ", while Obama simply wanted to call it in from the road.
Looks to me that McCain is a far better leader than Obama, as he took a proactive attitude toward this whole issue, and Obama didn't.
Man, you are one stupid little dude.
Please explain to us all EXACTLY what it was that McCain did. What testimony did he give? What vote did he cast? In fact, name me one single vote that he's cast in the Senate since April 8, 2008. What meetings did he chair?
What did he do other than fall asleep while watching a meeting, then laugh about the whole problem during his photo op with Bush? What was the point of him even being there, other than as a limp-dicked attempt to revitalize his sagging campaign prospects?
What actions did he take? What vote did he influence? What was the outcome of all his "hard work"?
Please enlighten us all.
We'll wait.
Mike
McCain went to D.C. and worked w/ his party members while Obama called in from the road to find out what his positon was from folks who were there in D.C.
Obama can't think for himself. McCain can. McCain is the better man for President.
...and why are you so obsessed w/ McCain's junk ?
Sad freak.
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ROFLOL!! Oh, yeah baby... an " ACTUAL RACIST " Keep it up! I'm dying here....
I don't find your racism funny, it shows what type of person you are that you do.
Quote:Yep, and denying it isn't gonna change the fact Goebbels. You claimed to always cite your sources, I conclusively showed this was a lie, you continue to blather on making yourself look like a colossal tool. Well, you are a colossal tool so that's hardly a surprise, yanno.
Oh, SUUUUUUUUREEE you did, Mr Bean. I'm sure it's important for you to think that, your widdle ego so easily bruised.
But hey, I realise given that you never show any real facts and believe yourself always the winner when in fact you've never won anything, you'll have to keep up the lie. I get that. You've really got no useful contribution to make on any subject, and everyone knows it, yanno
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Exactly what IS a ' jack boot ' again? Dunno, never saw one, but you sure seem to know.
It's hardly a surprise to hear you are ignorant of even the most obvious and simple facts. A Jack Boot is what your friends gave to you on the anniversary of your first lynching
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A Jack Boot is what your friends gave to you on the anniversary of your first lynching
Is that the best you got ?
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" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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It's better than the above 'effort'. "Is this the best you've got?" The immortal words of someone with nothing left to say, like saying "oh haha" when you can't think of a witty retort.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:And I'm supposed to take the learned opinion of one such as yourself seriously when you can't even spell intact correctly? Or do you actually mean to say that McCain said our economy is trying not to offend us? 'Cause I won't put anything past you two knotheads.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCain never said 'nothing is wrong', he simply said the economy is strong. Not the most eloquent way of putting it, but the basis of our economy is still in tact,
Looks to me that McCain is a far better leader than Obama
isall
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Y'know...we COULD vote everyone out and put all 3rd party candidates in there....
Just saying....
(Except for that crazy Green Party beyotch...)
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Originally posted by citizen:
It's better than the above 'effort'. "Is this the best you've got?" The immortal words of someone with nothing left to say, like saying "oh haha" when you can't think of a witty retort.
It was over with you tossing out the 'racist' card, marking that you had nothing left. I don't waste my time or witty retorts on those who are so intellectually bankrupt as to try to win debates / arguments/ discussions by falsely painting others as racist.
You do know the story of the boy who cried 'wolf!' too many times, right ?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Y'know...we COULD vote everyone out and put all 3rd party candidates in there....
Just saying....
(Except for that crazy Green Party beyotch...)
You mean Jihad Cindy ?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And I'm supposed to take the learned opinion of one such as yourself seriously when you can't even spell intact correctly? Or do you actually mean to say that McCain said our economy is trying not to offend us? 'Cause I won't put anything past you two knotheads.
Here's a novel idea Chrissy..... why don't you support your claim by presenting some actual quotes by McCain. Speaking of having to take the learned opinions of someone..... .show me the quote!!!
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Here's something else, CRAppy, Sarah Palin's favourite political magazine (she subscribes):
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Here's a novel idea Chrissy..... why don't you support your claim by presenting some actual quotes by McCain. Speaking of having to take the learned opinions of someone..... .show me the quote!!!
http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/10/palinreadingmaterial.jpeg
Biped moron.
isall
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