Capital Offense
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Quote:So we find stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, but it's just a "bunch of used-to-be dangerous stuff."
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by swish:
Cites please?
The rest of the discussion is moot until this is clarified. Where were the stockpiles, and what exactly did they consist of?
Here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/30/AR2006
063001528.html
Basically, a bunch of used-to-be dangerous stuff.
Dustyisall
Like I said, ideology, not facts. The FACT is that WMDs were found in Iraq. Some of you are so ideologically driven that you are terrified to even consider factual evidence that doesn't completely support your preconceived notions.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So we find stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, but it's just a "bunch of used-to-be dangerous stuff."
Like I said, ideology, not facts. The FACT is that WMDs were found in Iraq. Some of you are so ideologically driven that you are terrified to even consider factual evidence that doesn't completely support your preconceived notions.
You've not actually provided any factual evidence Finn. Why are you so terrified to back up your own argument?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:Yeah yeah Finn, we get it. We got it, oh, about 20 threads ago. Nobody is arguing that Saddam didn't have WMD, or that he didn't use them against Iran and the Kurds, or that a few hundred leftovers were found.
The FACT is that WMDs were found in Iraq
But did those WMD form an imminent, mortal, urgent, unique, immediate, serious, and growing threat?
Yes or no?
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Hello,
It would appear to me that Finn is arguing from this point of view:
[If there existed any remnant of WMD in Iraq, then the Administration was truthful and justified in all of there statements.]
The fact that these remnants were decade-plus leftovers from prior wars is unimportant to him.
The fact that Iraq had no active WMD program to develop and use WMD's in the future is unimportant to him.
There could have essentially been a room full of WWI era mustard gas in an old mud hut in the middle of the Iraqi desert, and he would point to it and say, "See? Justified."
And I suppose strictly speaking he'd be right. If you have two items in stock, and stack them one on top of the other, you can call it a stockpile. If you use government resources to store said item, you can call it an 'active government program.' And if this is your yardstick for government truth, you can be very easily satisfied.
I don't feel it is enough. Finn apparently disagrees. I don't think we'll be able to breach that gulf.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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For some strange reason, I keep misreading "stockpile" as "sockpile". Mmmm.... maybe my laundry is an imminent and growing threat!
Quote:He HAS to disagree, because otherwise he'd have to consider the possibility that our authorities aren't always moral and virtuous.
I don't feel it is enough. Finn apparently disagrees.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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There could have essentially been a room full of WWI era mustard gas in an old mud hut in the middle of the Iraqi desert, and he would point to it and say, "See? Justified."
So you're saying Finn actively supports the overthrow and replacement of the Bush regime? After all, we DO have stockpiles of WMD, and we HAVE used them in the past. And all that really matters is the past, right?
Mike
This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Quote:Like I said, ideology, not facts. The FACT is that no significant amount of viable WMD were found in Iraq to claim 'imminent threat', nor the delivery systems they would need to be so even if more non-rusty, potent stuff had been found. YOU are so ideologically driven that you are too terrified to even consider factual evidence that doesn't completely support your preconceived notions.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So we find stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq, but it's just a "bunch of used-to-be dangerous stuff."
Like I said, ideology, not facts. The FACT is that WMDs were found in Iraq. Some of you are so ideologically driven that you are terrified to even consider factual evidence that doesn't completely support your preconceived notions.
Backatyaisall
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Quote:Signy, when has ANY government or military authority EVER been as moral and virtuous as ours?
Originally posted by SignyM:
He HAS to disagree, because otherwise he'd have to consider the possibility that our authorities aren't moral and virtuous.
Our authorities are singular among those in the world's history in that they do their best to do their best- intentional lies & deceit, errors in judgement, general & common human failings- these are all beneath them apparently.
The imperfect Chrisisall
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Quote:Nah, he's too hung up on the necessary technicalities to admit the overall truth of the situation, and keeps hollering 'ideology', as if he repeats it enough, it'll be accepted.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I don't feel it is enough. Finn apparently disagrees. I don't think we'll be able to breach that gulf.
He's apparently never heard the term 'spirit of the law', and if a cop, would nail you for every roll-thru, every parking-too-far-from-curb, every late-executed turn signal, etc.
He's so full of nonsense on this...it really ain't funny.
Chrisisall
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Quote:Whoah, that's a little outside the box.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're saying Finn actively supports the overthrow and replacement of the Bush regime? After all, we DO have stockpiles of WMD, and we HAVE used them in the past. And all that really matters is the past, right?
The box is good.
The box is necessary.
The box loves us.
isall
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