Taking a Gander at the Goose
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Saturday, September 13, 2008 18:28
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
How 'bout the lie that Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners when he was supporting a bill to teach children how to deal with child molesters? What a pathetic and despicable and, yes, vicious lie.
I note two things for the record.
First, the bill was a large bill that went through many changes. At the time Obama signed on as a co-sponser (its wrong to label him the author...it wasn't his bill, heck, I don't think he sponsored many bills if any), the bill contained a sex education provision for little type folks to teach them about what was and was not sexual contact and what was and was not appropriate. The idea was to protect them from sexual predators and STDs. The bill was later modified. I applaud efforts to protect children and while I do not support teaching young children about sex, I don't condemn out of ignorance a bill whose goal is comendable but whose methods I disagree with. I would not have voted for the bill in its original form, I would have worked to make the bill acceptable in a modified form.
Two, Barrack Obama took heat last year, before his campaign took off, for saying that he'd support teaching children about sex. He later clarified the remark (as he so often seems to do).
H
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
But c'mon, here's the truth: Obama has 243 of the 270 electoral votes safely in his hands, while McCain controls only 189.
Your numbers are correct, but only tell part of the story. Obama's electoral count has decreased in recent weeks and McCain has picked up votes.
Given that it takes longer for national trends to refect in state polls look for Obama to lose additional votes.
With so many new undecided states it is important to note that McCain is leading or tied in most of them a complete reversal of the trend in which he was 'just hanging on'.
The big ones right now are PA, OH, and FL. PA was solid Obama territory until a few day ago when it slipped dramatically into the undecided column. Obama has squandered a double digit lead but still maintains a slight edge. In FL they are neck and neck...but don't count out the ability of the Cuban and Jewish votes to deliver that state. In OH Obama went from a five point lead to a seven point trail in one week.
My guess is the trend will continue since Obama keeps making mistakes including the mistake of dragging his mistakes out. Also, it was nice of Joe Biden to admit he isn't the best man for the job. I wonder if the Senate Health Plan covers foot-in-mouth disease.
H
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
OF COURSE it was a slander at Palin. All the listeners there got it! They stood up and cheered mockingly. You think they would have stood up and cheered if it was anything else?
Also, Biden made a LIPSTICK reference yesterday too when he attacked Palin.
So the sequence here is that Palin uses the "lipstick" brilliantly in her speech, and then these two women-haters, Obama & Biden, throw it back at her in an insulting way within a week later. Can't they at least be "original" in their misogyinist rants? They have sunk to new all-time lows.
At the very least, whether Obama MEANT it that way or not, his fans and supporters clearly saw it as a jab at Gov. Palin. Much like Kerry's ill deliverd joke about doing poorly in school will lead you to ( getting elected twice to the highest office in the land and leader in the free world - the larger part that Kerry left out ) making poor choices later on in life and you'll end up in Iraq, supposidly directed at President Bush. Few bought Kerry's tepid attempt at recovery, so the lesson is learned. Know your audience, and be wary of what you say.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
At the very least, whether Obama MEANT it that way or not,
If people were offended, then like Imus, Obama needs to apologize.
I don't think that Palin or McCain were offended. My Mother, lifelong Democrat was offended and is really taking the attacks on Palin's family personally. She voted Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and plans to vote McCain/Palin having had her mind changed in the last three weeks.
What most impressed so many women about Palin was her ability to weather the storm and then deliver what many think is among the best convention performances ever.
But Barrack needs to understand, women like my Mother and some others I've talked to saw this as a personal attack and see it as a weight/image attack which they found particularly offensive.
I likened it to if McCain were to come out and said he planned to 'give Barrack enough rope to hang himself' which is a perfectly innocent comment...unless your talking about a black man and people think lynching.
H
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The "storm" that she weathered is such bullshit,
so is the faux outrage,
so is the idea that the media has been taking it particularly hard on Palin,
which again leads to more faux outrage about how Obama has been treated with kid gloves, which also isn't born out by fact, and studies actually suggest that press coverage of him was far more negative than that of Mccain.
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the most amazingly glaringly offensive thing about the GOP is that I saw two of those assholes stand up in defense of an ad sponsored by the Mccain campaign that literally lies and says that - Obama on Palin: lipstick pig yada yada,
and all they could muster as a defense was that "in this sensitive time, the obama camp should be more careful about how what they say might be perceived"...that that is what the ad was talking about. They would not outright say Obama's comment was about Palin, however they said the ad that did do that was fine, because people could perceive his comments that way.
And how would people perceive his comments to mean that I wonder? Maybe if the repubs continue to literally lie and tell people that is what Obama said? Would that have something to do with it?
Why is Mccain paying for deliberately misleading ads? Both this and the Sex education one that attacks Obama's efforts on a bill to protect children from sexual predators, distorting it and calling the bill an advocacy of "comprehensive" sex education?
I thought he was the candidate of integrity, ethics, honor, blah blah blah
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Edited to add that Obama said on Letterman I think,
and this makes perfect sense to me, that given the current political climate taht if he had meant that it would have made more sense if Mccain's failed policies were the pig and Palin was the lipstick,
because after all her pick has pretty much drawn attention away from policy, and middle of the road politics and obscured the issues with a new exciting circus.
In the context there was no mention of the vice president at all though. There was no connection. Obama spoke about Mccain's faux change argument, so wherass you could stretch to get this latter interpretation, the first is pretty ridiculous, doesn't fit the MO of anything Obama has said or done before, unless some of you fools still believe Obama flipped off Hillary, and says more about you than it does about him.
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by the way did anybody pick up the new addition? Yesterday on Matthews one of those people I mentioned above thought the stinking fish was a reference to Mccain...
lo and behold that has been taken up by others now, days after the original comment...
Pfrefrenefefo or however you spell that lady's name picked it right up and now its part of the package smear...
nice
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
At the very least, whether Obama MEANT it that way or not, his fans and supporters clearly saw it as a jab at Gov. Palin.
No.
Nowhere in the speech does Obama so much as mention Palin. The speech is about Bush/McCain the whole way through and, yes, his audience applauded at the "it's still a pig" line, because it was direct and biting attack on McCain's "new" ideas--partisan audiences tend to do that when you take a swipe at the opposition. And as Obama has maintained since Palin was anointed, he has to presume that Palin shares McCain's views ('cause we haven't heard anything from her but her now stale stand-up routine from the RNC), and he's really running against McCain anyway, so he's gonna talk about McCain.
You guys are hilarious! You don't watch the Democratic debates, you don't watch Obama's stump speeches other than the clips on Hannity, so when you see an audience laugh and applaud at one of Obama's witticisms you think they MUST be laughing at what you in your myopic view THINK they're laughing at. Y'all may be obsessed with Governor MacGuffin, but the rest of the world is just embarrassed for you.
HKCavalier
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Edited to add that Obama said on Letterman I think,
and this makes perfect sense to me, that given the current political climate taht if he had meant that it would have made more sense if Mccain's failed policies were the pig and Palin was the lipstick,
Exactly. Was it a swipe at Palin personally? I don't think so. But it also wasn't said by accident. It was a swipe at the McCain/Palin campaign, and an attempt by Obama to take some of the coverage away from Palin, and to take "ownership" of the word "lipstick" away from her - which it succeeded in doing. For two days now, all we hear about is Obama's lipstick remark - which is handy for the Republicans, because the very last thing they want to talk about is issues, and handy for Obama because when someone hears "lipstick" now, they don't automatically think of Palin - at least some of them think "pig".
And then last night on Letterman, he got another free swipe at 'em with it. Saying that if he was talking about Palin, then she'd be the lipstick - in essence, complimenting her. And then pausing, letting Dave and the audience think he was calling McCain the pig, and letting them have a laugh about it, before clarifying and saying that McCain's POLICIES would be the pig.
I thought it was pretty savvy politics on his part, and he's maintained plausible deniability on it the whole time.
Although no one ever did answer my question from before: Where was your righteous indignation when McCain said the exact same thing about Hillary Clinton? Where were your charges of sexism then?
Mike
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Quote:What statements did Hillary make, if any, that prompted McCain’s comment? Because if Palin hadn’t have made the Lipstick comment, Obama’s comment would have gone unnoticed too. It’s the combination of the two that relate the comment to Palin.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Although no one ever did answer my question from before: Where was your righteous indignation when McCain said the exact same thing about Hillary Clinton? Where were your charges of sexism then?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Although no one ever did answer my question from before: Where was your righteous indignation when McCain said the exact same thing about Hillary Clinton? Where were your charges of sexism then?
It's ok when Republicans do it, there's two different set of rules, don't you get it?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
At the very least, whether Obama MEANT it that way or not,
If people were offended, then like Imus, Obama needs to apologize.
I don't think that Palin or McCain were offended. My Mother, lifelong Democrat was offended and is really taking the attacks on Palin's family personally. She voted Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and plans to vote McCain/Palin having had her mind changed in the last three weeks.
What most impressed so many women about Palin was her ability to weather the storm and then deliver what many think is among the best convention performances ever.
But Barrack needs to understand, women like my Mother and some others I've talked to saw this as a personal attack and see it as a weight/image attack which they found particularly offensive.
I likened it to if McCain were to come out and said he planned to 'give Barrack enough rope to hang himself' which is a perfectly innocent comment...unless your talking about a black man and people think lynching.
H
Dude, I do not see how any woman in her right mind would have (a) seen that as an attack on Palin since BOTh McCain and Obama have used that phrase before and (B) taken it as a reference to weight issues.
I think these women you are talking to need to get a grip.
And I have been talking to other woman and they all agree with me
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