Taking a Gander at the Goose
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Saturday, September 13, 2008 18:28
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Hello,
I caught this story on CNN this morning. "Lipstick on a Pig." The Republicans said it, and it's apparently some kind of expression. (Not one I'd heard used till now, but there's lots of things I haven't heard.)
Now the Dems use it, and the Republicans are crying foul. Are they being unreasonable, or are they right? Is this a veiled attack at Palin, who used the line, "You know what the difference is between a hockey Mom and a Pit Bull? Lipstick."?
What do you think?
--Anthony
McCain camp says 'lipstick on a pig' is trip through the mud
Posted: 06:54 PM ET
From CNN's Rebecca Sinderbrand, Sasha Johnson and Chris Welch
(CNN) — John McCain’s campaign said Tuesday Barack Obama’s reference to “lipstick on a pig” to describe the Republican’s vow to bring change to Washington was offensive language, and a slap at VP nominee Sarah Palin – despite the fact that the Arizona senator himself used the phrase last year to describe a policy proposal of Hillary Clinton’s.
Obama made the remarks at a Virginia campaign stop late Tuesday afternoon. “John McCain says he’s about change too, and so I guess his whole angle is, ‘Watch out George Bush – except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics – we’re really gonna shake things up in Washington,’” Obama said.
“That’s not change. That’s just calling something the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig. You know you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it’s still going to stink after eight years. We’ve had enough of the same old thing.”
He then praised both McCain’s “compelling story” and Palin’s “interesting story,” and says his “hat goes off” to anyone who’s looking after five kids — “I’ve got two and they tire Michelle and me out,” and says “that’s why John McCain’s campaign manager [Rick Davis] said this campaign isn’t going to be about issues, this campaign is going to be about personalities.” He added a standard stump speech line, that the campaign wasn’t about “me or John McCain or Sarah Palin or Joe Biden…”
Within minutes, the McCain campaign announced a conference call focused on the remark, which they said was a deliberate reference to Sarah Palin’s line: “You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.”
In Iowa last October, McCain drew comparisons between Hillary Clinton's current healthcare plan and the one she championed in 1993: "I think they put some lipstick on the pig, but it's still a pig." He used roughly the same line in May, after effectively claiming the Republican nomination.
McCain spokesman Brian Rogers told CNN the campaign saw a “big difference” between the two references: “McCain was referring to a policy proposal. Obama was referring to Governor Sarah Palin. It’s obviously disrespectful and offensive….
Who has been talking about lipstick lately? It was obvious. The crowd went crazy because of it.”
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I caught this story on CNN this morning. "Lipstick on a Pig." The Republicans said it, and it's apparently some kind of expression.
I've heard the expression. Its more of a rural thing...kinda like saying "tits on a bull".
I think this is not malicious. Its one of those lines that the writers come up with and looks really good on paper so they pass it along and when it gets used...it sounds really bad.
Clearly he is saying you can't dress up bad policy. It sounds like he's saying Sarah Palin is a pig.
One thing this does not sound like is Obama...I've never heard him use down home talk like this. It does sound like the kind of thing Joe Bidon would say (and has said). My guess is this got tossed around behind the scenes from the Bidon camp and got picked up and used accidently in 'off the cuff' coments by big O (he's pretty bad when off the teleprompter).
My guess is it'll break down the following way among voters.
10-20%- wont care
10-20%- will think he was insulting Palin and are ok with that
10-20%- will think it was an honost comment about dressing up bad policy
10-20%- will think he was insulting Palin and take it personally
10-20%- will know he was probably making an innocent comment, but will hold it against him anyway
1-2%- think Obama is being mean, Palin is a pig, that the Republicans planted the comment, and the Democrats are to blame and intend to vote for Ron Paul...assuming they register...cause the death squads are waiting at the polls (at the bake sale table).
Obama is in a bad spot.
If the election were held today it among registered voters it'd be a dead heat with Obama squeaking out a narrow electoral margin.
If held today among likely voters then McCain wins it running away.
Comments like this and the poor showing since...Berlin make it more and more likely that Obama is turning off those folks who are registered but not likely voters. If this trend continues, he will lose and lose badly.
H
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OF COURSE it was a slander at Palin. All the listeners there got it! They stood up and cheered mockingly. You think they would have stood up and cheered if it was anything else?
Also, Biden made a LIPSTICK reference yesterday too when he attacked Palin.
So the sequence here is that Palin uses the "lipstick" brilliantly in her speech, and then these two women-haters, Obama & Biden, throw it back at her in an insulting way within a week later. Can't they at least be "original" in their misogyinist rants? They have sunk to new all-time lows.
I'm telling you....Obama has lost it! His campaign is melting down. Is Obama even running against John McCain??? 'Cause it sure looks and sounds like he's running against Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity & Fox News. Very presidential indeed! It's Sarah Palin 24/7 with him, and he's bleeding badly. They really want more of her on TV, interviews, whatever? Well their wish is coming true, and it will of course blow up in their face like their daily shocking & revolting SEXIST slanders are. Are they NAIVE enough to believe she can't handle interviews? That is so sad...for them. She will eat them alive.
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Of course its a jab at Palin. What did you think the little wuss would do now that he is getting a mud hole stomped in his ass by a girl.
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One of the reasons I have a hard time supporting McCain is because he always whines like a little bitch every time someone says something negative. I'm sure Obama's comment was directed at Plain, but I'm sure she can take it. Not so sure about McCain. Maybe she will have a good influence on McCain and get him to stop whining, but you know " you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear".
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
One of the reasons I have a hard time supporting McCain is because he always whines like a little bitch every time someone says something negative. I'm sure Obama's comment was directed at Plain, but I'm sure she can take it. Not so sure about McCain. Maybe she will have a good influence on McCain and get him to stop whining, but you know " you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear".
True that you cannot do that, but you can defeat The Philistines with the jawbone of an ass.
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
One of the reasons I have a hard time supporting McCain is because he always whines like a little bitch every time someone says something negative.
One of the reasons I don't support Barrack is that people cry racism every time somebody starts making any headway against him.
http://wcbstv.com/politics/paterson.mccain.palin.2.813646.html
BTW, its not the lipstick part of the comment...its the "pig". Women are taking that as a "weight" comment and are very offended.
H
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"You know what the difference is between a hockey Mom and a Pit Bull? Lipstick."?
Somebody please explain this joke to me. I heard her say it live, I've read about how it was so witty in blogs and news articles, and now it's being mentioned here.
Why is this funny at all?
There's plenty of soccer (hocky) moms I've known in my life that look like pitbulls and for loyalty reasons there's probably quite a few pitbulls I'd rather be rooming with full time than Hockey moms.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
"You know what the difference is between a hockey Mom and a Pit Bull? Lipstick."?
Somebody please explain this joke to me. I heard her say it live, I've read about how it was so witty in blogs and news articles, and now it's being mentioned here.
Why is this funny at all?
There's plenty of soccer (hocky) moms I've known in my life that look like pitbulls and for loyalty reasons there's probably quite a few pitbulls I'd rather be rooming with full time than Hockey moms.
Hello,
The statement (joke) suggests that Hockey Moms are as tough as Pitbulls. That's it. The chuckle comes from the clashing of mental imagery, as Moms are supposed to be soft comforting creatures, and Pitbulls are powerful tenacious creatures. She is saying that Hockey Moms are tough, and hence she is tough, since she is a hockey mom.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:Because she looks like a pit bull wearing lipstick?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Somebody please explain this joke to me. I heard her say it live, I've read about how it was so witty in blogs and news articles, and now it's being mentioned here.
Why is this funny at all?
There's plenty of soccer (hocky) moms I've known in my life that look like pitbulls and for loyalty reasons there's probably quite a few pitbulls I'd rather be rooming with full time than Hockey moms.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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