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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:07 PM
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By your own twisted logic, doesn't that mean that Palin/McCain is sinking fast? I mean, look at how berserk you and Riverlove are going about them! That must be a sign of their impending doom...
History is not on your side...
H
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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:02 PM
Quote:It would be somewhat better with Obama. Being realistic about it, I truly cannot lump Democrats in with Republicans and say there is "no" difference and neither can you. I can't say whether there is ENOUGH of a difference to be meaningful to you. I'd more or less ignored Obama until I listened to Palin and McCain, and then I was truly horrified. Now I'll have to look at the Dem party platform and Obama's record in all seriousness to see if he warrants my vote. I agree that many of the candidates are closer to my own thinking than either of the two.
I will point out that if McCain-Palin win the WH we're in for four years of shrinking civil liberties, religion in the WH, and hard times... very hard times... for most Americans.- Signy
If I thought for a second that it would be any better at all with Obama, I might be excited now.-6ix
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Monday, September 8, 2008 7:20 PM
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Imagine what the GOP could do with good candidates...I mean if it takes the most money they've ever had and the most appealing candidate they've ever had to bring the race just close...the Democrats really have no business in the White House.
Can't say I disagree, when only parity of incompetence is keeping it close, that's pretty fuckin sad, innit ?
McCain shoulda rolled up Barr as Veep - Ron Paul woulda told him where to stick it if he even asked, but Barr is an ambitious little shit and might well have jumped onboard.
At which point it woulda been all over but the singing...
Although had it went that way we'd prolly be mired in WWIII within 2 years, alas.
Seriously though.
Right now we need to get the fuck out of other peoples countries, and quit givin em our money, put those troops back with their families, contributing to the economy, and start working hard on our badly neglected infrastructure.
The rest of the world can fucking WAIT, and if some of those returning troops are willing to help out on the border patrol, throw em a bonus and relocation allotment to fuckin do so - and then just take those fence jumpers back and dump em, the hell with detaining them, just keep kickin em back over till they get tired of it.
Meanwhile, put up an easy 1-2-3 legal immigration station at customs, and fuck this seven years shit, hand out the W2's right there, the IRS is damned efficient at getting their money or some ass, let THEM worry about that end.
We CAN fix this, we just need a president with enough balls to do it, and I don't think a one of em, even any of the potentials and also-rans, does.
So who do we have for a real hardass with a domestic focus instead of an imperial one, who's willing to sink their own political career for four years of desperate damage control ?
Nobody, that's who... but if ya find one, ya might convince me.
-Frem
PS. Re: Bev Harris/BBV - you know folks, that shit works BOTH ways, one reason the Dems don't wanna fix it is their intention to exploit it once they get in power, but in order to do that they need a margin greater than the machines are programmed to fudge - so they better get their shit together and in gear fast, or they'll not get it.
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Monday, September 8, 2008 10:09 PM
Quote:Thanks! I’ll make a note of that with all the other “repent or burn” demands I’ve gotten from people.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Well, I just wanted to get it out there, so that you won't say You couldn't have known! Because I can and I do. And you can too, if you just keep your eyes and ears open and think a little bit.
Oh good, Signym has foreseen the future...and returns to warn us all to vote Left-wing.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Monday, September 8, 2008 10:41 PM
Quote:You ignored "no WMD", you denied the current economic meltdown. I'll bet dollars to donuts you didn't even predict 9-11. I'll tell you, denying reality is not exactly the way to learn.
Thanks! I’ll make a note of that with all the other “repent or burn” demands I’ve gotten from people.
I just wanted you to remember what I said: if McCain is elected things will go downhill for the average person. Very downhill.
I've had what I think is a pretty good track record of knowing and predicting:
9-11. Not the specifics but yes, the general idea.
The lack of WMD.
The invasion of Iraq, and and bloody mess it would become. (And partitioning Iraq to stabilize it. Which is exactly what the US is doing, very quietly.)
The economic meltdown.
As a scientist, and (I hope) a realist, I figure that if you can't test your hypothesis in a lab then it should at least be able to predict events. If you can't predict events, then what good is your hypothesis?
My current hypothesis is that McCain will:
Use military force whenever possible and alienate even our allies.
Continuing to shovel government money at the very wealthy, fuck over the populace, bankrupt the nation and finish off the dollar.
Chip away at privacy rights until the right to privacy is gone.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Monday, September 8, 2008 10:55 PM
Quote:Yes, so you said. Thanks for you input, though pointless it may be. Do you also read palms? When the preacherman tells me that this nation is doomed to burn in hell if I don’t accept his ideological story, do you expect me to believe that too? Or is it just your story that's that's the "real" truth?
Originally posted by SignyM:
I just wanted you to remember what I said: if McCain is elected things will go downhill for the average person. Very downhill.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Monday, September 8, 2008 11:07 PM
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...and then just take those fence jumpers back and dump em, the hell with detaining them, just keep kickin em back over till they get tired of it.
Well, I *DID* see a satirical proposal to put man-sized catapults along the border to fling them back across the fence... :)
And the fence really isn't an answer. Build a 20-foot fence along the border, and you'll have factories sprouting up on the other side building and selling 21-foot ladders and trampolines.
And they're talking about doing things like building the fence so that it goes seven miles to either side of El Paso, which is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. Seriously, if you're willing to risk life and limb to cross the border and walk through the desert to get here, I don't think walking a few extra miles to get around the fence is going to faze you...
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Monday, September 8, 2008 11:51 PM
Quote:Huh. Well, I thought it was pretty pointed. Maybe I should get a 2X4 to assist communication?
Yes, so you said. Thanks for you input, though pointless it may be.
Quote:I COULD be snarky and ask Do you even read? But, I'm not gonna go down YOUR path!
Do you also read palms?
Quote:Of course not. I'm not religious, and you shouldn't be either. All I'm saying is... open your eyes and ears. Pay attention even to stuff that doesn't digest too well.
When the preacherman tells me that this nation is doomed to burn in hell if I don’t accept his ideological story, do you expect me to believe that too?
Quote:There is only one reality, one truth. Nobody knows the whole of it; the point is to get closer. As much as they annoy me I value people who show me I'm going in the wrong direction. But it takes a lot more than snark to do that, as it should for you too.
Or is it just your story that's that's the "real" truth?
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:02 AM
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But it takes a lot more than snark to do that...
Bite your tongue!
Snark is my stock in trade! Where would I be without it?
(Was that too snarky?)
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 1:23 AM
Quote:I see. So I shouldn’t be religious? So if I “open [my] eyes and ears” and discover a reason for religion, then what? It’s puzzling to me, Signym, how it is that you are so unable to hear the zealotry in your own voice.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Of course not. I'm not religious, and you shouldn't be either. All I'm saying is... open your eyes and ears. Pay attention even to stuff that doesn't digest too well.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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