Capital Offense
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Sunday, November 16, 2025 04:49
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Quote:GOD, Finn!!!! Where did I say I had "clairvoyant powers?"" I'm a scientist and I try to be a realist. It's all about the data and the model that you use to intepret it. IF you take in data w/o filtering it too heavily AND you let the information talk to you w/o trying to shout it down, you'll be making accurate predictions too.
clairvoyant powers
So open your eyes. Look around. Pay attention even tho... no, especially if something rubs your assumptions the wrong way.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Quote:I am forced to conclude from these statements that you're okay with going to war on a whim, er, I mean, a perception, no matter how impossible to confirm.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That CIA intelligence now claims that WMDs may not have existed? The same CIA intelligence that claimed they did exist.
We couldn’t know then, anymore then we can know now, whether those weapons existed or didn’t exist
Could Han PROVE that Greedo's weapon was loaded? He saw it, heard Greedo's direct intention to kill him, but by your thinking, he should have shot him at first sight if he believed himself to be in danger at all...or is it that he should have let Greedo pull the trigger to see if he was telling the truth regarding his deadly intent...(?)...wow Finn, I don't see how you even drive to work successfully without making correct value judgements concerning the absolutely unknowable factors that generally present themselves...
Double Jeapordyisall
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Finn works for the Pentagon right? The Pentagon that said within six months of the invasion American troop strength would be down too 5-6 thousand?
What's it at now, over 150,000? Don't you see? He has too act like no one could have known, because he and his colleagues have made some pretty stupid, and frankly incompetent predictions of their own. Piss up and brewery comes to mind, anyway, Finn could lose his job for being an incompetent moron if he doesn't shout down anything that might expose his obvious incompetency and stupidity. He's a man running scared, be lenient...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Okay, I'll let up.Chrisisall
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Quote:I’m a scientist too. And as a scientist I understand the limits of data – which cannot foretell the future. Heisenberg pointed that out already. So if I’m to believe the supposed accuracy with which you tout your predictive powers, I must be willing to accept your clairvoyant powers, which actually I don’t. It’s seems far more likely to me that you simply arrived at an ideologically drive conclusion after the fact, and now claim that you ‘always knew it.’
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:GOD, Finn!!!! Where did I say I had "clairvoyant powers?"" I'm a scientist and I try to be a realist. It's all about the data and the model that you use to intepret it. IF you take in data w/o filtering it too heavily AND you let the information talk to you w/o trying to shout it down, you'll be making accurate predictions too.
clairvoyant powers
So open your eyes. Look around. Pay attention even tho... no, especially if something rubs your assumptions the wrong way.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Actually by my way of thinking, Han should have waited 10 years while the whole issue was discussed in a committee, as Greedo bought himself two vetoes with lucrative oil contracts, muddying the whole affair with sanctions applied to Greedo in which millions innocent people were killed, until finally some of Jabba’s people flies a plane into the Millennium Falcon, forcing Han to finally make a decision on this whole Greedo affair. Or yeah, he could have just shot him, like he did.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Could Han PROVE that Greedo's weapon was loaded? He saw it, heard Greedo's direct intention to kill him, but by your thinking, he should have shot him at first sight if he believed himself to be in danger at all...or is it that he should have let Greedo pull the trigger to see if he was telling the truth regarding his deadly intent...(?)...wow Finn, I don't see how you even drive to work successfully without making correct value judgements concerning the absolutely unknowable factors that generally present themselves...
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:So where was Saddam's cocked gun?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Or yeah, he could have just shot him, like he did.
As AU would say, try again.
Chrisisall
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Quote:
I’m a scientist too. And as a scientist I understand the limits of data – which cannot foretell the future.
The sun will rise tomorrow. Barring cosmic catastrophe the earth will contine to spin and orbit around its star, as it has done for the past several eons. Now, tell me... is that not a prediction?
I will let go of this apple, and (barring an unforseen space-time warp) it will drop towards the greatest nearby gravitational attractor, which is the earth. Is THAT not a prediction?
I will flip this switch and complete a connection, and something that we think of as "electrons" will flow through a metal filament, causing it to glow, and my bread will be toasted. Is THAT not a prediction?
I don't know what kind of a scientist you think you are, but the main point of science is to develop hypotheses, and main point of hypotheses IS to predict. So while "data" can't predict the future, the OTHER part of the scientific process... forming and testing hypotheses... does exactly that. And the hypothesis that proves to be the most reliable... wins. At least until something better comes along.
So, are you insisting that because our understanding does not provide mathematical certainty we should just plug our ears, shut our eyes, and stop thinking?
If you don't like my hypothesis and predictions, come up with something better. Stop trying to tear down the whole scientific process because you don't like the results.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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OH BTW Finn, since you seem to think I'm taking credit after-the-fact, here are a bunch of threads from 2004... the farthest back I could find on this website, where I repeatedly say that Saddam did not have WMD. And if I could find some postings on other websites, you'd see that I said the same thing elsewhere, and earlier.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=7935
War is Peace (from 2004)
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=7427
Saddam Hussein was NOT a threat (Oct 2004)
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=7397
Don’t Get Mad, It’s for Our Troops
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=5066
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Eh. So much for science.
Like I said, people are not generally objective or rational.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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