The Last Thing We Need is a Great Leader
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Friday, September 19, 2025 16:46
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Quote:*Various mutant-related jokes run rampant through his mind, yet he resists the temptation*
Originally posted by SimonWho:
talking about being an American as though it's the same as being an X-Man is just mad.
I've grownisall
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Sarge:
I get it. And I agree. But I think it takes a pretty smart person AND a great leader to know when to stay the hell out of the way.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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The people who want to minimize government to its least effective level would rather put their trust in corporations and guns.
Now THAT'S the way to solve those large national problems ! 
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Originally posted by rue:
The people who want to minimize government to its least effective level would rather put their trust in corporations and guns.
Is that your signature line?
You keep asserting that, and it's bullshit. It's not a choice between one or the other.
False dichotomy. -5pts
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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You know SergeantX
I remember a thread about children who were isolated and killed by their 'loving' parents. And SignyM kept asking - since the family didn't do it, and the neighbors didn't do it, and the church didn't do it, and the 'community' didn't do it - WHO has the authority to step in and protect the children, if not the government ?
Your answer, CTS's answer, Frem's answer - deep, deep silence.
Your answer to problems like lead in toys, toxins in heparin, salmonella in peppers, HepC in syringes, PCB's in lakes, mercury in fish, and children dying under the care of parents - is silence.
Anything rather than admit maybe government has a useful role.
So tell me, and everyone else - HOW will these problems be solved without government ? Without laws that call them problems ? Without government-funded research to uncover those problems ?
Or will your answer again be deep, deep silence ?
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Sigh...
We been down this road so many times. Ok, once more, for old times sake. Here's why you're wrong:
You're trying to pretend that government is the only thing preventing corporations from running amok. But reality doesn't support that claim. In point of fact, government is, at best, a net neutral toward corporate abuses - at worst, it facilitates them. Government provides the foundation of corporate power. Without special legal structures, created and maintained by government, corporations wouldn't even exist. Government's not protecting us from corporations as much as it's handing us to them on a platter.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Nice dodge on the questions. And still no answer.
I hope you don't mind if I interpret your lack of answers as a lack of solutions.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Sigh...
We been down this road so many times. Ok, once more, for old times sake. Here's why you're wrong:
You're trying to pretend that government is the only thing preventing corporations from running amok. But reality doesn't support that claim. In point of fact, government is, at best, a net neutral toward corporate abuses - at worst, it facilitates them. Government provides the foundation of corporate power. Without special legal structures, created and maintained by government, corporations wouldn't even exist. Government's not protecting us from corporations as much as it's handing us to them on a platter.
Evidence doesn't support the idea that deregulated markets keep corporations in line. Quite the opposite in fact.
Just because your government is a corporate tool, doesn't mean all governments have to be.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:I think Goldwater's best was "I think every good Christian should kick Falwell in the ass". But then of course dick head Ronald Reagan let the Moral Majority into spheres of influence under the banner of Family Values and we've been F**ked ever since.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Any Government capable of giving you all that you want, is also capable of taking all that you have.
Goldie was the last Fiscal Conservative...a little rough on equal rights but just because he didn't believe government and laws would solve a social ill like racism. A little hawkish because he wanted to "make North Vietnam into a mud puddle" to win the war. But that was how they won wars in his day, completely, without asking American citizens for thier approval. They don't make em' like that anymore, that's for sure.
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How come every time I bother with an in-depth reply, you suddenly find other things to do, and when the issue comes up again, you falsely assert that I have remained silent on the topic ?
Unions are an effective bulwark against corporate abuses without a Government lending it's support legally, materially, and militarily, to those corporations - effectively kneecapping the unions every time they try to stand up.
I've posted a historical list of that behavior no less than seven times on this board, and I know damn well you've at least skimmed it, and let's be clear, without the ability to confront and defeat both the forces of the corporations, AND the entire combined might of the US Armed Forces on top it, the unions cannot currently be an effective bulwark, besides which if they WERE able to do that, what's to stop them from simply taking over and trying to run things themselves.
I don't suggest this is a good idea mind you, just pointing out that it damn well would occur to those folks if they had the force to do it.
Consumer unions ain't a bad idea either in retrospect to a companies ill behavior or shoddy/dangerous products, but once again you have the gov coming down universally and ultimately on the corporate side against them, mostly due to corporate personhood, which then puts us in the same backed up situation as the labor unions.
If you removed government from the equation, thus too would go the government protection, up to and specifically including the military, which would even the odds significantly towards a check and balance.
And yeah, the thought pops up "so what if the corp hires Blackwater ?" - I counter with how the hell are they going to pay them when they are no longer making any money due to massive boycotts of their products and no goverment bailout money, and treating your customers as an enemy is about the best way to blow your profit margin there is, just ask the RIAA and related shitheads about that.
My answer is the same as it's always been, remove government protection, physical and financial, from the equation and let the unions perform the function they were expressly created for.
As for the issue of abusive families, again, my answer is the same as it ever was, repeatedly, in spite of your false assertions to the contrary.
Severing the chains of government will not, can not, sever the bonds between us as people, if anything it would strengthen them because people could turn to their fellow man without concern for being sued, arrested, or hunted by the taxman - and a strong community is the first line of defense against that particular problem in the first place, something that has been weakened by governments attempt to sever the bonds between us as people in order to make us more dependant on it.
Of course, with you I am wasting my breath, cause time and time again I have addressed this issue, and time and time again you have lied through your teeth and stated otherwise.
Maybe if you STARTED discussions from an honest statement, they wouldn't begin from such a hostile standpoint, did you ever think of that ?
Big daddy government is a disease masquerading as it's own cure.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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