Palintastic

POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Friday, September 5, 2008 21:37
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HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:57 PM

I watched her speech and thought there were only two ways it could go. She would either blow her one shot at history or else blow the roof off the building. I could not see how she could find any room to come in the middle...it was a win or lose moment for her.

She won.

All the pressure, sexism, lies, and personal attacks rolled off her and she delivered a speech, her first speech of that magnitude in what I can only describe as a Thatcher-esque fashion.

I am a target voter for McCain. Conservative, Christian, young, professional, and living in Ohio. I was...not real enthusiastic about this campaign. Sure, I'd vote (unless he'd picked Romney), but I would not work or donate like I did in 2000 and 2004. Last night after the speech I logged on to donate money for the first time. I have begun arranging to use my personal days to go man phone banks and do door drops and pound signs and all the other Ohio election footwork and, God willing, we will carry this state and the nation.

H

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:08 PM

Traitor!

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:54 PM

Quote:
God willing, we will carry this state and the nation.

God forbid.

All I heard her talk about was a bunch of mush. Mumblemumblemumble oil pipilines through your back yard mumblemumblemumble my family, who I'm so proud of, is off-limits mumblemumblemumlbe...

In other words, more of the same. Instead of McCane's POW rap, she just gives us the same tired "but my child has Down's Syndrome!" line.

She remains singularly unimpressive.

Oh, but the Enquirer (remember the guys who broke Edwards' affair?) is reporting that her husband's business partner tapped that ass. There's those Republican family values again!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:07 PM

... here's a cute little film about Caribou Barbie....

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
All I heard her talk about was a bunch of mush. Mumblemumblemumble oil pipilines through your back yard mumblemumblemumble my family, who I'm so proud of, is off-limits mumblemumblemumlbe...

Sounds like an Obama speech with some intelligible words interspersed within.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
In other words, more of the same. Instead of McCane's POW rap, she just gives us the same tired "but my child has Down's Syndrome!" line.

Please provide cites where Palin mentions her Downs Syndrome child as making her qualified to be VP.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, but the Enquirer (remember the guys who broke Edwards' affair?) is reporting that her husband's business partner tapped that ass. There's those Republican family values again!

Let me guess, you are just waiting for confirmation from Fox News before you buy this hook, line, and sinker right?

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:03 PM

Somebody please give Andrea Mitchell a drink or a joint please. The poor women looked like she had been waterboarded last night. I give her credit though, and I also give high credit to MSNBC for extremely fair coverage, even more extensive coverage than Fox News. I was amazed that even their most die-hard Obama-loving liberal Democratic anchors actually showed glimmers of the former newspeople they used to be. Of course, it was only due to their jaw-dropping astonishment over what this woman said last night, and they will all soon recover from their brief hope-crashing dose of reality. They'll be back after her & John with full fury of lies immediately after their boss calls and says what the fuck are you doing? You can't say anything good about her!

Guiliani's speech was amazing. He ripped community organizer Obama to shreds...item after item after item. He made Obama look like a joke, and it was a long time overdue. And then Palin just took control. What a nice firendly smile, not all fake and plastered like Hillary's. What a fighter! She is going to single-handedly destroy the INTERNET RADICAL Obama...Obama who has ZERO experience on anything, and is wrong on everything. Palin will run over the in-the-tank media and the lame-ass liberal pundit liars like they don't even exist. I've beeen waiting a long time to hear words like she & Guiliani spoke last night. Lord knows Bush & Cheney could never utter 2 words in a row that sounded believeable and strong. McCain is a man of great character and accomplishments. Obama is a man of no accomplishments, and a history of hating America, and his campaign of glazed-eyed lemmings is just a sideshow now. Palin is a superstar! Hockey Moms, Soccer Moms, Families with special need children, Union members, etc...JOIN US! Help us defeat liberal elitism and America bashing once and for all! Vote for a great American, McCain.....not some pretty-boy Chicago radical tinhorn cupcake like Obama.

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:07 PM

Her speech was soooooo high school. No wait - the kids from my high school wrote better speeches than that.

Kwicko - maybe we should give 'Hero' a break on this Palin thang. In a previous post he talked about trying to nail a newly-minted Iraq widow - at the funeral, no less. I bet Palin is the closest he's come to a woman (pun intended) in a long, looooong, time.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Kwicko - maybe we should give 'Hero' a break on this Palin thang. In a previous post he talked about trying to nail a newly-minted Iraq widow - at the funeral, no less. I bet Palin is the closest he's come to a woman (pun intended) in a long, looooong, time.

Speaking of high school...

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:29 PM

... have you graduated yet ? You know, if you get old enough they let you out anyway. Or did nobody tell you that.

BTW - 'Hero' - who claims to be an x-tian - did post about trying to nail that Iraq widow. Also about how adaptable his girlfriend is in bed. And about how he lies to the jury to win cases. It's pretty obvious your christian 'Hero' is a sleeze-bag.

Is that someone you really want to align yourself with ?

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:35 PM

At least Hero does not get personal.

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:39 PM

No, he just makes broad, sweeping, negative generalizations. And he does get personal about a few people - PN, for one who is probably the one person here least capable of defending himself. And he lies - constantly.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
At least Hero does not get personal.

Well, all is forgiven then! You're okay with him being a liar, a cheat, a perjurer, a scumbag, just as long as he doesn't get personal, huh?

By the way, have you ever actually READ any of his posts?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

ANTHONYT

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:55 PM

Hello,

In all fairness, Rue, Piratenews is constantly assailing religion, race, political beliefs, and sexual preference in his constant ramblings about various conspiracies.

He's probably the one person here who earns personal attacks, because there's very little he says that isn't personal to someone.

As for being able to defend himself, well, if he's going to stand on a bell tower and spray at random, he's got to expect that someone might shoot back.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:58 PM

BDN

So I went back to the beginning of the year - you know, so as to not go so far back in time people would say it wasn't relevant. And all I did was search for 'hero' in the most responded-to threads. Those with 50 or more posts.

Here is 'Hero's' second post: "Democrats whine, moan, and bitch when we seek to interrogate terrorists, listen in on their calls, track their money, or kill them before they strike."

Broad, sweeping, negative generalizations - that happen to be wrong. How about prejudiced ? Does that count in your book ? Does lying count ?

But then, here is his third post: "Try to be a little more grown up." HHHmmm ... sounds personal to me.

And his fifth: "Actually, I consider your emotional response to be an issue worthy of discussion. Some people call it the wussification of America. I always thought it was more related to laziness then lack of balls (which is why I consider it childish, rather then cowardess, in this I am in disagreement with some conservatives).

Personal AND broad, negative (and wrong) generalizations.

You really, really need to pick your sides better, you know ?

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

HKCAVALIER

Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
I watched her speech and thought there were only two ways it could go. She would either blow her one shot at history or else blow the roof off the building. I could not see how she could find any room to come in the middle...it was a win or lose moment for her.

I've read this kind of thing so many times in the past couple days. Nothing but manufactured suspense. I had no doubt that this former news anchor and former beauty queen was gonna "hit it out of the park" for her handlers. Why, she has more TV news and beauty pageant experience than both of the Democratic candidates combined!

All she had to do was read her script and smirk in the appropriate places. The text of which was so full of lies and half-truths that even the mainstream media is having second-thoughts about this "rising star" the morning after. I'll give her this, she was better at it than W. ever was.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

ERIC

Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:11 PM

Here's a nice fact check article on the speeches:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

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Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oi

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ANTHONYT

Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:18 PM

Hello,

This above was a good read. Every speech should come complete with such a fact sheet rattled off by the newscasters immediately afterwards.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

HKCAVALIER

Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

This above was a good read. Every speech should come complete with such a fact sheet rattled off by the newscasters immediately afterwards.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Heck, yeah, Anthony! I don't know what their problem was last night. I knew she was b.s.ing her way through this national screen test and I ain't even paid to know what's going on in this country! lol Olbermann tried, but dang, he fumbled and mumbled the whole night away, while all the other men in the press gushed over warmed-over GOP boiler plate.

The RNC was just a li'l bubble--granted, the same bubble that folk like Mr. Sandwich live in--but a bubble, nonetheless.

It's funny, the Dems at their convention were so hampered by the facts. All the media had to say last week was "Where's the red meat?" Well, now they get their red meat and I find it disgusting. And the way the other hired shills all paraded Senator McCain's 40 years gone victimization like they were reciting the Stations of the Cross, was dispicable. "...and McCain, sitting in his own excriment..." Interesting, how the Dems trot out stories about so many people in this country suffering because of the current Admin's indifference, and the Reps trot out stories about how their candidate has suffered. They're running on pure Cult of Personality and no one is saying so.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

ERIC

Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:39 PM

Sigh...McCain complains, the media complies, just like always.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You really, really need to pick your sides better, you know ?

Wow, really hit a nerve with that one.
An anti-Rue post does not automatically make it a pro-Hero post.
While I do admire Hero for his humor and ability to keep posting under constant attack from several regulars. That does not mean I agree with everything he posts.
Take off those lenses Rue. There are alot more colors out there than black and white.

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:04 PM

Lol The Republicans have done it this time.

Now the choice for the self-haters out there has them stymied..."Oh GOD! Am I racist if I dont wote for Obama and go with Palin? Or am I mysoginistic if I vote Obama over Palin! Whatever am I to do?"

Morons. Vote for who you think will screw us less. And then, after the next 4 years are finally over, help get Ron Paul in there.

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:08 PM

BDN

You only criticize ONE side for the exact same thing the other side does, and which it does with great frequency. Lenses, much ? Or is it your natural sense of injustice ?

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, all is forgiven then! You're okay with him being a liar, a cheat, a perjurer, a scumbag, just as long as he doesn't get personal, huh?

Where did you get that idea from? And besides, how is it you know anything about the faceless, nameless Poster known as Hero to make such accusations?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, have you ever actually READ any of his posts?

Most of them.
It's your posts I find myself scrolling over more and more as you usually do not bring anything new to the table, IMHO.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
BDN

You only criticize ONE side for the exact same thing the other side does, and which it does with great frequency. Lenses, much ? Or is it your natural sense of injustice ?

How is it that we can see the faults in others but not in ourselves?

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:32 PM

Yes, it's an important question you need to ask yourself.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
BDN

You only criticize ONE side for the exact same thing the other side does, and which it does with great frequency. Lenses, much ? Or is it your natural sense of injustice ?

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

There's a lot of that going around lately. Geezer's been doing an awful lot of it, too.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:37 PM

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It's your posts I find myself scrolling over more and more as you usually do not bring anything new to the table, IMHO.

Gosh... I'm so... hurt... How ever will I go on if you won't read my posts?

I'm sure I'll find a way.

Please, please, please, please, PLEASE stop replying to anything I ever post. Please.

I don't think you can do it. You scroll over them, but somehow manage to respond to every single one... How's that workin' out for ya?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Yes, it's an important question you need to ask yourself.

But not you right? You are a perfect example of even-handedness. And that is my primary reason for being one of your "fans".

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I don't think you can do it. You scroll over them, but somehow manage to respond to every single one...How's that workin' out for ya

Do you even try to get the facts straight?

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:42 PM

Oh, so it IS personal. I thought that was a no-no in your world. Can't walk the talk, eh ?

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, have you ever actually READ any of his posts?

Most of them.
It's your posts I find myself scrolling over more and more as you usually do not bring anything new to the table, IMHO.

That's a wise thing to do.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Oh, so it IS personal. I thought that was a no-no in your world. Can't walk the talk, eh ?

I have never attacked you personally, only your posts. Can you not see a difference?
Can you not disagree with the content of Hero's posts without attacking the Poster? Can you not say "I do not agree with this statement for this reason"? Not "I do not agree with this statement because Hero is a sleazy, sociopathic lawyer who ain't gettin any".

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I don't think you can do it. You scroll over them, but somehow manage to respond to every single one...How's that workin' out for ya

Do you even try to get the facts straight?

Define "irony"... and do it without responding to this post!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:04 PM

"But not you right? You are a perfect example of even-handedness. And that is my primary reason for being one of your "fans".

Ah, this is not personal attack on me. OOOOOOkaaaay, then.

I'm done with you.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, have you ever actually READ any of his posts?

Most of them.
It's your posts I find myself scrolling over more and more as you usually do not bring anything new to the table, IMHO.

That's a wise thing to do.

Ummm... Just checking here, but what "new" is it that you've brought to the table, Jongs? Let's see... Hate Obama - check. Democrats evil - check. Liberals hate America - check. Seems like you haven't had a useful contribution since about... oh, EVER sounds about right.

And again, I notice the irony that you too seem to always respond to the very posts you're ignoring.

"You couldn't ignore me if you tried." - John Bender, The Breakfast Club

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:08 PM

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how is it you know anything about the faceless, nameless Poster known as Hero to make such accusations?

Er... from his posts??? Where he bragged about egregious favoritism in his job as prosecutor?

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

I am a target voter for McCain.

Bullseye.

isall

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
how is it you know anything about the faceless, nameless Poster known as Hero to make such accusations?
Er... from his posts??? Where he bragged about egregious favoritism in his job as prosecutor?

And you believe everything that you read in a fan based forum on the internet, right?

CHRISISALL

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:31 PM

Well...I might...

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
Caribou Barbie....

Funny. Now I wish she were blond...

Country first.

H

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... Just checking here, but what "new" is it that you've brought to the table, Jongs? Let's see... Hate Obama - check. Democrats evil - check. Liberals hate America - check. Seems like you haven't had a useful contribution since about... oh, EVER sounds about right.

Au contraire senorita pathetic loser. Your only reason for existence seems to be to respond to MY posts....all of them; even posts specifically directed to others. Man you just gottsta throw yer fucking 2 cents in on EVERYTHING! And how do you then proceed?...you pop your desperately smug head out of your pee-goo just long enough to inject some oh-so-not clever little lies and Bush hatred. Them's the facts girl. I think they're selling PALIN DERANGEMENT PILLS NOW specially packaged for the hardcore Obama zombies that haven't yet been able to grasp what this woman is going to do to your boy and your entire disgusting America-hating political party....better get some quick!

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
...Mumblemumblemumble oil pipilines through your back yard

You might have tried listening to what she actually said.

And its 'oil pipeline through' HER back yard.

Edited to add: oops, I meant a Gas pipeline.

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...mumblemumblemumble my family, who I'm so proud of, is off-limits

Too bad you missed her speech. The family bit was great political theater. She talks about how normal they are and how they have their ups and downs...and everybody thinks she's gonna mention her daughter...and she talks about her wonderful little baby. Great moment.

And she NEVER said in her speech that her family was off limits...seems Obama said that in one of his speeches.

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In other words, more of the same. Instead of McCane's POW rap, she just gives us the same tired "but my child has Down's Syndrome!" line.

Actually his POW rap was countered by her moose stew/hockey mom bit...but she's new and we need to hear that kind of stuff.

Obama's is the "son of a turnip farmer from Kenya"...

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She remains singularly unimpressive.

Only to the blind and deaf.

H

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
At least Hero does not get personal.

Don't need to, I'm so dead on critical of these liberals and crazy-talker types there's no need to make personal attacks.

And they can't fight me on facts or with reasonable debate...they can barely form coherent sentences so they resort to name calling, profanity, and general nastiness that makes me laugh a bit before I poke them again.

I note for the record that I do make personal attacks on PN...I try not too...well, not really...its just so damn easy. Kinda like his mom...damn...there I go again.

H

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Er... from his posts??? Where he bragged about egregious favoritism in his job as prosecutor?

I did? Must have missed that. Perhaps a citation to allow me to respond to this personal attack...

H

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:18 PM

Hero, you're way too nice and civil to these people. They don't deserve it. They're delusional pinheads of the most demented, vile, and obtuse order I've ever seen anywhere. "Their facts"...bullfuckingshit. I gave up on "Their facts" ..I like my facts & Palin's facts & McCains facts. They're so far gone into Obama dreamland that they cannot even fathom what she will do to Obama and hair-plug college cheater-boy Biden. Rip them to shreds....just like she and Rudy did last night. The Obama-owned media never vetted Obama, and now they're stuck with him. As time goes by they will continue to drop their jaws in utter disillusionment as ALL of Obama's misdeeds and radical asscociations come out to the public via Palin, Guiliani, etc. constantly attacking him. That's what was working for Hillary at the end of the Primaries, but she started too late. Obama already had hoodwinked all the early voters before his various negatives came out, and he did manage to limp across the finish line...barely. This election is no longer about issues, maybe never was...'cause that's all bullshit spin anyhow...it's about LEADERSHIP....You can't spin that! I hope the Femi-nazis and the rest of the liberals choked on it good last night. The next two months are going to be wonderful, as piece by piece, layer by layer, Obama is stripped bare and totally exposed as the radical socialist tenderfoot that he is.

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:30 PM

Guys (and ladies) Socialism does NOT work outside the rule of 150. So, sorry.

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:32 PM

"... before I poke them again."

That's like saying "officer, I wasn't speeding, why I was only going 75." Doofus, you just admitted to personally attacking people. DUH !

So, were you for personal attacks before you were against them, before you were for them ?

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Too much drink on your lunchie pooh can impair judgement.

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:38 PM

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Please provide cites where Palin mentions her Downs Syndrome child as making her qualified to be VP.

The problem was, there was nothing in her speech that qualifies her to be VP, as far as I can tell. She has five children, which qualifies her to be VP - unless you're talking about her pregnant daughter which is off-limits. She's a hockey mom. She was mayor of a dot on the map and governor of Milwaukee. (Er, I mean Alaska. Same population size so I get them mixed up.) She's against earmarks- except that she hustled for the money, voted against the bridge but kept the money anyway. (Did you know that Alaska get $500 per capita in earmarked funds, which is about 10X more than all other states?)

In my career, I've interviewed prolly over 300 people for hire or promotion. She sounded ilke a candidate with a very thin resume, who fluffed it up a lot with personal details, criticisms, witticisms, and a few outright lies (which should be enough to get you tosed out w/o a second thought.)

Republicans have very low standards, indeed.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

ERIC

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
She was mayor of a dot on the map and governor of Milwaukee. (Er, I mean Alaska. Same population size so I get them mixed up.)

Hey now, that dot is the proud methamphetamine capital of Alaskabama! Show some 'spect, fool.

PIZMOBEACH

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:54 PM

don't you mean Arkansaska?

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HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hero, you're way too nice and civil to these people. They don't deserve it.

They do deserve it (except PN).

If I'm nice and I hit them with some satire, or reason, or facts, or break out my meager supply of the 'funny' and they are reduced to baseless personal attacks and sputturing incoherence...I do more then just win the argument.

No need to be personal when I can't make them look any worse then they make themselves look just by their lack of grace.

I'm not the only one to do this. In case you missed it Governor Palin and her family suffered days of personal attacks...and then she responded not with their own personal attack...but by making last night's speech. Notice she not once asked her family to be left alone, instead she talked about who she was, her record, and her agenda and then attacked her opponants on their record and agenda...in other words she hit them where it hurt the most and they can't respond. Now Bidon is sputtering and flip-flopping across the tv dial and Obama is begging for an interview on FOX's O'Reilly Factor.

Now I started this thread to talk about Palin's speech. They are incapable of doing that without baseless attack on her or me. I win.

I love a reasonable debate with folks I have genuine disagreements with. One thing I thought we all agreed upon were basic ideas such as free speech and expression. Like the protestors in St. Paul this week folk here hide behind free speech to justify course and offensive behaivor and seek to deny the right of others to respectfully disagree. I wont cede this board to the likes of them. That's why I'm here, thats why I win...that's why we can all win, even if we lose the argument.

H

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
So, were you for personal attacks before you were against them, before you were for them ?

I poke their arguments, their reasoning, their facts...never the person making them (except PN). I will admit to making a bit of fun...

I never comment on personal lives, character...anything like that.

Perhaps your arguments are so weak that you take my criticism personally and respond in kind. That would explain liberal bloggers that hang around DailyKos and some of the RonPaulies I've met.

H

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hero, you're way too nice and civil to these people. They don't deserve it.

They do deserve it (except PN).

If I'm nice and I hit them with some satire, or reason, or facts, or break out my meager supply of the 'funny' and they are reduced to baseless personal attacks and sputturing incoherence...I do more then just win the argument.

No need to be personal when I can't make them look any worse then they make themselves look just by their lack of grace.

I'm not the only one to do this. In case you missed it Governor Palin and her family suffered days of personal attacks...and then she responded not with their own personal attack...but by making last night's speech. Notice she not once asked her family to be left alone, instead she talked about who she was, her record, and her agenda and then attacked her opponants on their record and agenda...in other words she hit them where it hurt the most and they can't respond. Now Bidon is sputtering and flip-flopping across the tv dial and Obama is begging for an interview on FOX's O'Reilly Factor.

Now I started this thread to talk about Palin's speech. They are incapable of doing that without baseless attack on her or me. I win.

I love a reasonable debate with folks I have genuine disagreements with. One thing I thought we all agreed upon were basic ideas such as free speech and expression. Like the protestors in St. Paul this week folk here hide behind free speech to justify course and offensive behaivor and seek to deny the right of others to respectfully disagree. I wont cede this board to the likes of them. That's why I'm here, thats why I win...that's why we can all win, even if we lose the argument.

H

Very noble indeed Mr. Hero, but I respectfully disagree. Others have been down the civil and reasonable road before, for years...what did they ever get for it if they didn't fall in step with Rue & Signy? I'll tell you : Insults, mockery, diminishment of postition, etc etc etc. They don't want a civil discourse, they want to tell you that you're an idiot, and then they want to paste in their handpicked "facts" from absurdly dubious sources as the justification for their smug rightousness. Shit, I wanna puke just thinking about it. Besides that, they're just fucking wrong about most things. If your goal here is to perpetually give them fodder to spew forth their endlessly spun horseshit that's you're right. I won't engage them as you do. Once in a while they go after me, but only after they're done chewing up on you and a few others. I'm small potatos to them. They do show you a lot of respect, even as they're calling you insulting names. As Jayne said, I guess that means somethin'.

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Please provide cites where Palin mentions her Downs Syndrome child as making her qualified to be VP.
The problem was, there was nothing in her speech that qualifies her to be VP, as far as I can tell. She has five children, which qualifies her to be VP - unless you're talking about her pregnant daughter which is off-limits. She's a hockey mom. She was mayor of a dot on the map and governor of Milwaukee. (Er, I mean Alaska. Same population size so I get them mixed up.) She's against earmarks- except that she hustled for the money, voted against the bridge but kept the money anyway. (Did you know that Alaska get $500 per capita in earmarked funds, which is about 10X more than all other states?)

Well said. Finally an argument. (Sigh)

Ok, for you a VP should be childless, not be from a small town, and not be from a small state, and should give back money she did not want in the first place, even though legally she can't because its Federal money, not State money.

Not be a she? No, you didn't mention that...good for you.

I found her resume to be Truman-esqe. Small town corruption fighter. I bet he'd vote for her.

H

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Oh, so it IS personal. I thought that was a no-no in your world. Can't walk the talk, eh ?

I have never attacked you personally, only your posts. Can you not see a difference?
Can you not disagree with the content of Hero's posts without attacking the Poster? Can you not say "I do not agree with this statement for this reason"? Not "I do not agree with this statement because Hero is a sleazy, sociopathic lawyer who ain't gettin any".

Actually Hero attacks people he disagrees with near incessantly. It's rare to see him not do so in fact. Perhaps its harder to see when you're nodding your head?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Very noble indeed Mr. Hero, but I respectfully disagree....If your goal here is to perpetually give them fodder to spew forth their endlessly spun horseshit that's you're right.

Look at us having a disussion. I say what I think, you say what you think...next thing you know...we're both thinking.

Quote:

If your goal here is to perpetually give them fodder to spew forth their endlessly spun horseshit that's you're right.

My goal is to win the argument. I'm a lawyer...winning the argument is kinda my life's work.

When the folks on the other side are unable or unwilling to reasonably respond, I win. If I stop then they win.

And how can we ever expect them to see reason if we don't show it them in the first place?

That's why I feel so free to insult PN. No need for see reason with him...he lost his sight long ago.

H

CHRISISALL

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
One thing I thought we all agreed upon were basic ideas such as free speech and expression.

Shut up, Hero.

isall

EMBERS

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

Country first.

H

Republicans love their country,
it is all the people they can't stand....

KIRKULES

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:30 PM

Wow, I knew the speech was good, but the reaction here is even better than I expected. The Conservatives are all wound up and the Libs are spouting gibberish because they're to much in shock to give an objective appraisal of her performance.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Besides that, they're just fucking wrong about most things.

No, actually they're right on many counts, they just don't suffer circular reasoning well is all. They start with the 'idiot' thing in response to attacks on their persons or their reasoning when you should be disassembling their arguments, trouble is, most times they have well thought out comebacks to your (not meaning exclusively YOU) points, and this brings out the strawmen like Romero zombies, and the 'anti-American' labels like machine gun fire.

See Jong, you may want logic in your discussions, but they DEMAND it- and there's Hell to pay if you don't bring it to the party.
Please also note: Rue & Signy rarely sink to simple foul language to get their points across- but look at your last post...I mean, I get that they can be vexing on certain levels, but Je**s mother****ing Ch***t, there's Godd**n f***ing children on this site too, man!

Chrisisall

KIRKULES

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
And he does get personal about a few people - PN, for one who is probably the one person here least capable of defending himself.

The good thing is, those "least capable" will soon have an advocate in the VP's office. PN doesn't need you to defend him, his copy and paste skills are a match for anyone here.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Libs are spouting gibberish because they're to much in shock to give an objective appraisal of her performance.

?
Okay, objective appraisal- she hit all her marks, looked pretty, avoided facts (Reps & Dems have so much in common that way), and sounded confident.

Big deal. She's better than both Bush & McCain, that ain't so hard.

isall

KIRKULES

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hero, you're way too nice and civil to these people. They don't deserve it. They're delusional pinheads of the most demented, vile, and obtuse order I've ever seen anywhere.

That's for sure. I wish I could remain as civil and good natured as Hero. Where I would resort to name calling, Hero goes to humor. I find a well placed insult here and there entertaining both when I'm the victim or perp. It helps to focus people on reality to point out the absurdity of their comments sometimes, and there's sure no shortage of those with a thin grip on reality here.

It's sure nice to see you back to your old self Jongs. I though you were going soft on us for a while there.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:51 PM

Quote:

...they can barely form coherent sentences...

Do you REALLY want to go there, Zero? You, who can't spell "intelligence"? You, who can't spell "experience"? You, who can't differentiate between "then" and "than", "you're" and "your", "there", "they're" and "their"?

Do you REALLY want to talk about someone else's ability to form coherent sentences?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

CHRISISALL

Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:

I wish I could remain as civil and good natured as Hero.

If you had his girl, you'd be all smiley as well. I remember before he found her- he wasn't as nice.

Chrisisall

KIRKULES

Thursday, September 4, 2008 9:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

...they can barely form coherent sentences...

Do you REALLY want to go there, Zero? You, who can't spell "intelligence"? You, who can't spell "experience"? You, who can't differentiate between "then" and "than", "you're" and "your", "there", "they're" and "their"?

Kwicko, don't even encourage the grammar police dude. While I personally need and appreciate Rue's grammar lessons, it sure does fill up the treads when every other post is a grammar correction. Could we just limit the corrections to mistakes that make the meaning ambiguous and not correct every punctuation/spelling error.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, September 4, 2008 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:

Could we just limit the corrections to mistakes that make the meaning ambiguous and not correct every punctuation/spelling error.

There should have been a comma between ambiguous & and, and since the sentence is a question, a question mark would have been more appropriate than a period at the end of it.

Annoying Chrisisall

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, September 4, 2008 9:15 PM

AnthonyT

Quote:
In all fairness, Rue, Piratenews is constantly assailing religion, race, political beliefs, and sexual preference in his constant ramblings about various conspiracies.

He's probably the one person here who earns personal attacks, because there's very little he says that isn't personal to someone.

As for being able to defend himself, well, if he's going to stand on a bell tower and spray at random, he's got to expect that someone might shoot back.

*spews coffee on screen laughing*

That is true, there's no 'sacred cow' PN won't hack up with a chainsaw, which is one of the few reasons I find him at all tolerable.

He does however, have a habit of throwing out junk-laden posts of no actual or intended content simply to push the buttons of, and enrage, certain folks who are easily baited in that fashion.
(The posts themselves don't make any sense cause he just slams together every keyword and emotional "button" that sets em off without regard to whether it makes sense or even necessarily belongs together, but one of the benefits of being nuts is the ability to hook together a conspiracy out of any unrelated thing..)
Yes, virgina, some of those posts are indeed intentional chain-yanking.

He's quite capable of intelligent discussion and debate if the topic interests him actually, you'd be pretty surprised if you weren't here for a couple of those - but yeah, when he's in full bore priest of armageddon frenzy, he just about asks for it, doesn't he ?

Wulfenstar

Quote:
Morons. Vote for who you think will screw us less. And then, after the next 4 years are finally over, help get Ron Paul in there.

Works for me - you know he's got his shit together when even Anarchists support him wholeheartedly, if we can't have NO Government, certainly we'll take less.

And Paul's the only one really serious about making that happen.

Re: Personal Attacks
I bust everybodys chops, even those of an ape-armed knuckle draggin goon escapee from the extras squad of a bad kung-fu movie...
(That'd be you, Goonisall)
And I don't have an issue with mine bein busted either, so long as there's actual CONTENT to the discussion other than that.

Seriously, if ya can't handle that kinda thing, what the hell are you doing on the internet ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 4, 2008 9:27 PM

Quote:
Well said. Finally an argument. (Sigh)Ok, for you a VP should be childless, not be from a small town, and not be from a small state, and should give back money she did not want in the first place, even though legally she can't because its Federal money, not State money.

Did I say childless? Did I say not from a small town? Are you taking a page from Geezer's playbook?

It's not that she shouldn't be the things that she is. I have children. I'm from a small town. I have decades of project managment experience. I've workd with politicians. But that doesn't qualify me for VP. It's just not enough.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 4, 2008 9:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
While I personally need and appreciate Rue's grammar lessons, it sure does fill up the treads when every other post is a grammar correction.

That's "Threads" no?

IronyIsAll.

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 4, 2008 9:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Seriously, if ya can't handle that kinda thing, what the hell are you doing on the internet ?

Quite clearly the internet is for porn:

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 9:58 PM

Quote:

Kwicko, don't even encourage the grammar police dude. While I personally need and appreciate Rue's grammar lessons, it sure does fill up the treads when every other post is a grammar correction. Could we just limit the corrections to mistakes that make the meaning ambiguous and not correct every punctuation/spelling error.

I tend to pull out the grammar, spelling, and intelligence card when MY intelligence is questioned. If you can't spell your name without looking at your driver's license, if you can't spell "cat" even if I spot you the "c" and the "t" - then I'm going to call you on it when you tell me I can't put together a coherent sentence - even if you try to make it "non-personal" by couching it in terms like "all lefty loon liberals and crazy-talkers". Sorry, but I tend to take it a bit personally, much like you might if I were to say that all Republicans are wingnut righty fascist fundamentalist Jesus freaks who wouldn't know a fact if it kicked them in the ass.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 9:59 PM

RICK ROLL!!

Dammit, I was expecting porn!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
RICK ROLL!!

Dammit, I was expecting porn!

Of course it's porn. You get all fired up ready for action, then get left feeling a little dirty and disappointed.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:22 PM

Damn, he got me too!

We've been rolled, lol.

-F

Ok, it's not QUITE porn, but it's entirely the reason it took me three hours to create a character.

<-- 75WHM (Mithra, of course)

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:34 PM

"I never comment on personal lives, character...anything like that."

Ahhh, yes, 'Hero's' so noble. So above making personal attacks. Why, here are his second, third and fifth posts from this very year showing nobility, grace, and above all, honesty:

Here is 'Hero's' second post: "Democrats whine, moan, and bitch when we seek to interrogate terrorists, listen in on their calls, track their money, or kill them before they strike."

And then, here is his third post: "Try to be a little more grown up." HHHmmm ... sounds personal to me.

And his fifth: "Actually, I consider your emotional response to be an issue worthy of discussion. Some people call it the wussification of America. I always thought it was more related to laziness then lack of balls (which is why I consider it childish, rather then cowardess, in this I am in disagreement with some conservatives).

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:40 PM

Why not use one of those as your new sig line. Seems to be the "in" thing these days.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:45 PM

Quote:
I like my facts & Palin's facts & McCains facts.

Except that you and they don't actually HAVE any facts...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:53 PM

http://www.illdoctrine.com/2008/09/the_republican_haters_ball.html

No Rick Rolls this time.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:53 PM

Quote:
Obama who has ZERO experience on anything, and is wrong on everything.

Not quite; you'll note that both McCain AND Bush have now jumped onto Obama's timeline for withdrawal from Iraq.

And you'll further note that McCain has jumped on - rather late to the game, I might add - Obama's message that America is ready for change. Now McCain is falling all over himself trying to convince people that he's a "change" candidate, and not just Junior Bush Junior. He's all about change, all right - why, he only voted with Bush 95% of the time in the last four years! And now he's putting out ads saying that we're worse off than we were four years ago; surely he must take some of the blame, for toeing the party line so loyally...

And what, exactly, are "superstar" Palin's "accomplishments"? How many laws has she authored? How much pork has she cut from Alaska's budget? What has she ever DONE that makes her so qualified?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

RUE

Thursday, September 4, 2008 11:13 PM

Finding the text of the speech was difficult. Too many 'news' organizations would rather highlight one or two quotes and then print pages of opinion.

Since links are such ephemeral things, rather providing a link, I'm posting the text of the speech.

ST. PAUL, Minn. (MarketWatch) - Here is the prepared text of a speech given by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to the Republican National Convention on Wednesday, as released by the party.

Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens: I am honored to be considered for the nomination for Vice President of the United States...I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and defend America. I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election... against confident opponents ... at a crucial hour for our country. And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through much harder missions ... and met far graver challenges ... and knows how tough fights are won - the next president of the United States, John S. McCain. It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war. But the pollsters and pundits overlooked just one thing when they wrote him off.They overlooked the caliber of the man himself - the determination, resolve, and sheer guts of Senator John McCain. The voters knew better. And maybe that's because they realize there is a time for politics and a time for leadership ... a time to campaign and a time to put our country first. Our nominee for president is a true profile in courage, and people like that are hard to come by.He's a man who wore the uniform of this country for 22 years, and refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight. And as the mother of one of those troops, that is exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief. I'm just one of many moms who'll say an extra prayer each night for our sons and daughters going into harm's way. Our son Track is 19. And one week from tomorrow - September 11th - he'll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country. My nephew Kasey also enlisted, and serves on a carrier in the Persian Gulf.My family is proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women serving the country in uniform. Track is the eldest of our five children. In our family, it's two boys and three girls in between - my strong and kind-hearted daughters Bristol, Willow, and Piper. And in April, my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no family ever seems typical.That's how it is with us. Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same challenges and the same joys. Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge.And children with special needs inspire a special love. To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters.I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House. Todd is a story all by himself. He's a lifelong commercial fisherman ... a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska's North Slope ... a proud member of the United Steel Workers' Union ... and world champion snow machine racer. Throw in his Yup'ik Eskimo ancestry, and it all makes for quite a package. We met in high school, and two decades and five children later he's still my guy. My Mom and Dad both worked at the elementary school in our small town. And among the many things I owe them is one simple lesson: that this is America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity. My parents are here tonight, and I am so proud to be the daughter of Chuck and Sally Heath. Long ago, a young farmer and habber-dasher from Missouri

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, September 4, 2008 11:52 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh that's bloody AWFUL, even my little niece sneered at it.

The Obama campaign is grinning up their sleeve, too - since this speech has seemingly triggered an unprecedented surge of donations to their campaign coffers.

I swear his best campaign strategy so far has been to let the GOP do it for him, by pissing off folks so bad they go running right to him.

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory....

Again, just as I said about McCain - sometimes a politician has to know when to shut the fuck up (Edwards is one of the few who does) and neither one of those two has the sense, I bet Karl Rove is having some imaginings concerning duct-tape *without* (much) sexual purpose for once.

McCain & Palin

GOP

Says it all, dunnit ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

PIZMOBEACH

Friday, September 5, 2008 11:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

She has a smokin' hot brain!

Thx for posting amongst all the vitriol. As dumb as this may sound... I do actually visit the RW discussions to learn from my fellow smartie Browncoats.
Sometimes it's more like some chump F*X Reality TV show though...

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JONGSSTRAW

Friday, September 5, 2008 12:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
It's sure nice to see you back to your old self Jongs. I though you were going soft on us for a while there.

Appreciate the kindness Kirk.

CHRISISALL

Friday, September 5, 2008 1:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Most folks here who read this (they cannot turn away) are going to be against every word I wrote, and even how I wrote it. I don't care a bit. I no longer have any respect for them. I see them as against everything I believe in, and they are dangerous for the future and saftey of my children. They're going to be destroyed emotionally when Obama goes down in flames, and I don't even feel a little bit bad about that either.

*Hugs Jongsstraw*

You want the best for this country & world, as do we all....whoever wins the Oval Office in the end, we'll still be better off than we have been in the last eight years IMO.

Enhanceyourcalmisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, September 5, 2008 1:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Most folks here who read this (they cannot turn away) are going to be against every word I wrote, and even how I wrote it. I don't care a bit. I no longer have any respect for them. I see them as against everything I believe in, and they are dangerous for the future and saftey of my children. They're going to be destroyed emotionally when Obama goes down in flames, and I don't even feel a little bit bad about that either.
*Hugs Jongsstraw*

You want the best for this country & world, as do we all....whoever wins the Oval Office in the end, we'll still be better off than we have been in the last eight years IMO.

Enhanceyourcalmisall

Chris, you're one of the few straight-shooters here. I've pulled down my post, and all that remains of it is what you replied to. I agree 100% with what you wrote. Have a great weekend.

CHRISISALL

Friday, September 5, 2008 1:51 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

you're one of the few straight-shooters here.

Ehhhh, sometimes my shooting veers somewhat to the left-ish, though I try to keep it in the middle...

EVERYONE have a great weekend, y'hear!

O'Bannonisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, September 5, 2008 1:56 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
ST. PAUL, Minn. (MarketWatch) - Here is the prepared text of a speech given by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to the Republican National Convention on Wednesday, as released by the party.

I remember listening to the speech and thinking how well delivered it was, but after reading it, I’m actually impressed. It’s an excellent acceptance speech for a vice president – places her fairly and eloquently in Middle America and praises the presidential candidate. It’s the Middle America part that most Liberals hate, because that’s were elections are won.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SIGNYM

Friday, September 5, 2008 2:03 PM

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I remember listening to the speech and thinking how well delivered it was, but after reading it, I’m actually impressed. It’s an excellent acceptance speech for a vice president

Mmm, yeah. The McCain campaign used Bush's speech writer.

Actually, I thought it was an awkward amalgamation. It sounded like two speeches had been joined together and the seams still showed: There are very generic parts and there are very personal parts, with nothing joining the two. It turns out I was right: the speech writer actually wrote part of the speech before he knew Palin was the pick, and then added paragraphs specific to her afterwards. Can you find the seams?

Aside from that, there are lot of things in her speech that are just plain lies. I suppose that's to be expected of any convention, and of most politicians. Convention speeches aren't about being fair or honest, whether you're a Dem or Republican. But I find it disappointing that so many would flock to lies rather than want to hear the truth. The comfortable lie, more than anything, is going to destroy our country.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

CHRISISALL

Friday, September 5, 2008 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It’s the Middle America part that most Liberals hate, because that’s where elections are won.

No, it's because Middle America is all hillbilly squeel-like-a-pig inbred hills-have-eyes scary types.
I mean, aren't they (I never been there)?

City Slickerisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, September 5, 2008 2:10 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The comfortable lie, more than anything, is going to destroy our country.

I took the blue pillisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, September 5, 2008 2:35 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It’s the Middle America part that most Liberals hate, because that’s where elections are won.

No, it's because Middle America is all hillbilly squeel-like-a-pig inbred hills-have-eyes scary types.
I mean, aren't they (I never been there)?

City Slickerisall

You've never been to Middle America? I've never been to a big city. I hear folks there live in tall buildings with neighbors they never see, pay outrageous rents for tiny little apartments that are infested with cockroaches, and take dirty buses and subways to work. Sounds like a Green Acres scenario. Lisa Douglas would be a liberal Dem, and Oliver would be a Repub. Eb would be the Republican Foreign Policy Director, and Mr. Haney would chair the DNC....Yeeeehaw!

CHRISISALL

Friday, September 5, 2008 2:47 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I've never been to a big city. I hear folks there live in tall buildings with neighbors they never see, pay outrageous rents for tiny little apartments that are infested with cockroaches, and take dirty buses and subways to work.

We also carry concealed weapons to deal with the daily mugging attempts.

Actually, I've been all through America ('cept the most northern parts), and the only place I found somewhat unlikeable was rural Georgia north of Atlanta...the "Come on down to Stan's pig-shoot Sunday at noon" signs on the local convenience stores sorta freaked me out a little. Plus: bumpy highways due to roadkill.

Hee-Hawisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, September 5, 2008 3:09 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
[Actually, I've been all through America ('cept the most northern parts), and the only place I found somewhat unlikeable was rural Georgia north of Atlanta...the "Come on down to Stan's pig-shoot Sunday at noon" signs on the local convenience stores sorta freaked me out a little. Plus: bumpy highways due to roadkill.

Hee-Hawisall

Them's good eats. I like my vittles fresh as can be.

CITIZEN

Friday, September 5, 2008 4:45 PM

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sar
ah-palin-gender-card

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

HKCAVALIER

Friday, September 5, 2008 5:34 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sar
ah-palin-gender-card

Now THAT'S knockin' it out of the park! To paraphrase Jon Stewart: shameless, sacks of

Thanks citizen, I missed that part of the show when it aired.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

RUE

Friday, September 5, 2008 6:37 PM

Hi AnthonyT

I could always be wrong but ... PN strikes me as someone who's in the grip of deep, biology-driven delusions - the kind that can only be (sometimes) helped by medication. I don't think I can blame him for his posts any more than I can blame a person who has seizures for their seizures, or blame a person with MS for their MS.

That's not to say that most of his posts might not belong in Troll country anyway, but I don't think they merit a personal attack. Personal attacks are for people who know better but choose to troll anyway.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

In all fairness, Rue, Piratenews is constantly assailing religion, race, political beliefs, and sexual preference in his constant ramblings about various conspiracies.

He's probably the one person here who earns personal attacks, because there's very little he says that isn't personal to someone.

As for being able to defend himself, well, if he's going to stand on a bell tower and spray at random, he's got to expect that someone might shoot back.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

KIRKULES

Friday, September 5, 2008 9:37 PM

Do you know the difference between Rue and Piratenews? Lipstick. Pretty sure PN wears it regularly.

Actually I completely agree with you Rue but I just can't help myself, do you think medication would help. I've been self medicating for years but it might be time for something stronger. I'm thinking Cocaine, what are your thoughts on the matter.