Profile of Sarah Palin!

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CREVANREAVER

Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:13 PM

I'm planning on either voting for the Libertarian Party ticket or writing in Ron Paul as a write-in, but I have to tip my hat to Senator McCain's pick of Governor Palin as his running mate. From all that I've researched on her, she really does come off as a great candidate. In addition to being charismatic, she is a genuine reformer and a true maverick. She's also ideologically more mainstream than either Barack Obama or John McCain. Here's a link to a profile of her from Newsweek:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156472

And here's a link to a video clip of her during her sportscasting days (in her 20s during the 1980s):

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b46_1220213471

PARTICIPANT

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:30 PM

I really don't get McCain's choice for VP

He had so many good people to choose from, he had Giuliani a guy who fights drugs and crime and can run a big city like NYC instead of some little village in Alaska, he had Condi Rice a loyal Republican who could have brought the black and the woman votes, Romney was another good one he held conservative values he knowns a thing about economics and was able to run the Olympics by himself...and so many others

But instead we get some weird beauty queen from some little village in the middle of nowhere. With some NeoCon agenda hijacking the Whitehouse this is an embarrassing time for conservatives.
Palin was member of those weird Secessionist type movement, you know those wacko groups who want puerto rico to break away from the USA and join Mexico/Cuba and those people who want Alaska to secede or join up with Canada or Russia

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 4:07 PM

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Originally posted by participant:
I really don't get McCain's choice for VP

I'm with you on this. Other than simply pandering to a certain base of voters, I see no real merit in choosing Palin. Each day brings new, and possibly damaging revelations about her past.

The biggest negative effect of her pick may be on those who were over looked. If McCain had his mind set on choosing a woman running mate it seems to me that there are a lot of Republican women who are far more qualified for the job. I can only imagine how they must feel.

The prediction market is online today opening trading on whether "Sarah Palin [is] to be withdrawn as Republican VP nominee before 2008 presidential election."
http://www.intrade.com/

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 4:25 PM

Here's the thing, McCain wanted to choose someone as far away from Washington, D.C. as possible so as not to appear that he's a Bush carbon copy. Yes, he could have chosen Condi Rice but she's considered a Washington insider and Bush loyalist, so no go.

He could have chosen a half dozen other candidates that had more experience and political savvy but, he's desperate to beat Obama and quite naturally wanted to appeal to the unjustifiably disgruntled Hillary voters. So pick a young hip, attractive, woman (remember the knock on McCain is he's too old for the job) that would make it seem that he's pro-women and quiet his critics.

Great choice, strictly a manipulative political manuver. Looks good for the photo ops and seemingly trumps Obama's pick of Biden. A bold move indeed that will probably backfire and explode in his face. What a country!

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 4:43 PM

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Here's the thing, McCain wanted to choose someone as far away from Washington, D.C. as possible.....

I'm not convinced that John McCain actually made this decision. This has Karl Rove's fingerprints all over it. I am afraid that Mr McCain has let his "handlers" do too much of the thinking for him. I get that he sees himself as a Maverick and wants to shake up things in Washington, but shaking up government at the expense of having inexperienced or outright incompetent members of your cabinet shows, to me at least, very poor judgement.

HERO

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:15 PM

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Originally posted by participant:
But instead we get some weird beauty queen from some little village in the middle of nowhere.

You may want to get a little more detailed reading on Gov. Palin's background before you go posting pictures of her igloo.

H

KWICKO

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by participant:
But instead we get some weird beauty queen from some little village in the middle of nowhere.

You may want to get a little more detailed reading on Gov. Palin's background before you go posting pictures of her igloo.

H

You mean Wasilla, population 5469? Have we missed something? Is it really a thriving metropolis? A cultural hub? Do they have a fantastic convention center?

It IS a little village in the middle of nowhere!

You might want to get a little more detailed reading on her before you go posting your usual right-wing-water-carrier drivel.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

STORYMARK

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 7:14 PM

Looking at her, I see lots of reasons not to support her. None of them have anything to do with her children (though the waiting to fly to Alaska, then drive 40 miles, while in labor with a already dangerous pregnancy is about as despicably reckless a thing as I have heard).

She pulled millions in earmarks for that tiny little community she ran. Far out of proportion to the population - and now she's the running mate of a man who claims to be against earmarks.

She thinks the Iraq war was demanded by God.

She thinks God wanted a oil pipeline run through Alaska.

She supported the "bridge to nowhere", and then lied about doing so in her acceptance speech.

And, my favorite, she was a member of the Alaskan Secession party. She didn't even want to be a US Citizen - how can she be a good pick for Vice, and potentially, President?

I can't wait to see the rightie wingnuts who went after Michelle Obama with such gusto for saying she was proud of America for the first time, fall all over themselves trying to excuse Palin for wanting to seceed from the friggin union.

And they will try to excuse it, no doubt.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 7:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by participant:

But instead we get some weird beauty queen from some little village in the middle of nowhere. With some NeoCon agenda hijacking the Whitehouse this is an embarrassing time for conservatives.
Palin was member of those weird Secessionist type movement, you know those wacko groups who want puerto rico to break away from the USA and join Mexico/Cuba and those people who want Alaska to secede or join up with Canada or Russia

how does that fit into your NAFTA Amero conspiracy?

Quote:
Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:

He could have chosen a half dozen other candidates that had more experience and political savvy but, he's desperate to beat Obama and quite naturally wanted to appeal to the unjustifiably disgruntled Hillary voters. So pick a young hip, attractive, woman (remember the knock on McCain is he's too old for the job) that would make it seem that he's pro-women and quiet his critics.

Great choice, strictly a manipulative political manuver. Looks good for the photo ops and seemingly trumps Obama's pick of Biden. A bold move indeed that will probably backfire and explode in his face. What a country!

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

Well check this
What happens if say God-forbid the next US President dies in office, Obama or McCain dies
maybe he has heart failure, has a stroke, his plane crashes or he gets assassinated (people shot Kennedy and almost killed Reagan)
I can see Biden stepping up to the mark, stepping into the office but what about this McCain girl who pulls in the Alaskan/anti-abortion/ polarbear-hunting/Woman votes and rules a little village population 5469.

KWICKO

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:44 PM

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She supported the "bridge to nowhere", and then lied about doing so in her acceptance speech.

Well, it's worse than that - she supported it, campaigned on it, and then when she won her race and Alaska got the money, she detoured the money to other projects!

So she was before it, before she was against it.

And she doesn't like earmarks, but will take the money and run.

And she doesn't like government waste, but will certainly spend any money that comes her way.

She also raised taxes on her constituents.

Another Tax & Spend Conservative!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 3:44 PM

You may have a point there, I completely forgot about Karl "Ninja" Rove. McCain might just maverick his way out of the White House.

"I'm the Decider!" George W. Bush

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 4:04 PM

We may very well get our first woman president. Those Neo-cons sure do think of everything, don't they? McCain has a sudden heart-attack (god forbid) and Palin steps in, of course with "Puppetmaster" Rove pulling the strings. Clever chaps those Bushies.

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Well check this
What happens if say God-forbid the next US President dies in office, Obama or McCain dies
maybe he has heart failure, has a stroke, his plane crashes or he gets assassinated (people shot Kennedy and almost killed Reagan)
I can see Biden stepping up to the mark, stepping into the office but what about this McCain girl who pulls in the Alaskan/anti-abortion/ polarbear-hunting/Woman votes and rules a little village population 5469.

"The thief's purpose is to steal, kill and destroy..." John 10:10

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 4:31 PM

Yanno - far from it being a strike against her, any affilation with secessionist movements is actually a plus in my book.

I had been reserving judgement till I had more info...

But today she sank any hope of me considering her when she cancels all other meetings for a closed-door all-nighter with AIPAC.

That's the END of her chances to earn my good opinion of her, period.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

ANTHONYT

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 4:57 PM

Hello,

I imagine you meet with all sorts of people when you're running for public office. I don't condemn people for having meetings. They get condemned for what decisions they make.

And yeah, I was thinking that her membership in a seccessionist movement sounded promising.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

CITIZEN

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:12 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, it's worse than that - she supported it, campaigned on it, and then when she won her race and Alaska got the money, she detoured the money to other projects!

So she was before it, before she was against it.

And she doesn't like earmarks, but will take the money and run.

And she doesn't like government waste, but will certainly spend any money that comes her way.

She also raised taxes on her constituents.

Another Tax & Spend Conservative!

She didn't give it up until congress decided more money should come from Alaska, so ear marks don't seem to be her problem, more putting up the money herself.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:38 PM

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
I can see Biden stepping up to the mark, stepping into the office

Have you seen what Joe Bidden's all about. There's a reason he was an also-ran in 1988 and 2008.

I suppose he could plagerize some of Reagan's speeches and get by...assuming he managed to avoid making fun of Indian-Americans...

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...but what about this McCain girl who pulls in the Alaskan/anti-abortion/ polarbear-hunting/Woman votes and rules a little village population 5469.

Here's a typical American story...almost a classic. Lady does not like the way her City is run...she runs for office, wins, does a hell of a job. Then she does not like the way the state is run...runs for office, wins, then does a hell of a job. Now she's running for Vice-President. I suspect that if she wins she'll do a hell of a job. When you think about it...without regard to her particular politics...this is the way the system is SUPPOSED to work.

As for experiance. Given the fact that she has more experiance then the Democrat's top candidate, I think that issue just does not fly. On her first day she had more experiance as an elected executive then McCain, Bidden, and Obama combined and on her second day she had twice as much.

I always thought Obama made a mistake not choosing a Governor to run with (or Hillary). Senators traditionally do not make good Presidential Candidates.

So who among our current crop can stand up to the gun-toting tiger-hunting Vladamir Putin, for example...Obama would make a fine speech before changing his mind and then checking polls and making clarifications while undermining himself and everyone around him. Bidden would get into a name-calling shouting match before remembering that he got rid of all of our advanced military equipment that he's opposed for decades leaving us at a technological parity against a numerically superior and potentially hostile Russian State. McCain would tell Putin what he thought of him and what he was gonna do to him if he failed to give in (straight talk diplomacy). Palin would smile, take her gun off the wall and face Putin down and know, without looking around for confirmation, that the US military and our allies were standing behind her.

I think thats what's most impressive about Palin. Its never even occurred to her she can't do what she's done. She's just doing it, not asking approval, seeking permission, considering her age or her gender, just going foreward...and thats so very...American.

H

KWICKO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:45 PM

Who the hell is Bidden?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KWICKO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:52 PM

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Yanno - far from it being a strike against her, any affilation with secessionist movements is actually a plus in my book.

Don't get me wrong - I just want to know why Obama's "patriotism" is questioned, and NOT the patriotism of someone who doesn't even want to be a citizen of this country? People keep questioning whether he's a citizen, but here's Palin wanting to throw her American citizenship in the garbage.

How's it work that the one's an issue, and not the other?

For that matter, why was his pastor an issue in the campaign, but hers isn't? She's got a bat-shit crazy preacher of her own, ya know. Guy says anyone who criticizes Bush goes straight to hell, and that God wants us in Iraq. 'Course, he also says God wants $30 billion to build an oil pipeline, too, so maybe he should be dismissed as just another whacked-out god-talker. But she apparently pays close attention to this fucking wacko, so that's not a big vote of confidence in her NOT being a loony...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Who the hell is Bidden?

Thats a good question. I always thought it was Bidden not Biden. So I looked it up just now. It seems to be Biden but I also found it spelled (including in the media) as Bidden.

Odd. So...for the record it must be Joe "Biden".

biden.senate.gov

H

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't get me wrong - I just want to know why Obama's "patriotism" is questioned, and NOT the patriotism of someone who doesn't even want to be a citizen of this country? People keep questioning whether he's a citizen, but here's Palin wanting to throw her American citizenship in the garbage.

I missed the part where Palin wanted to dump her citizenship.

Must have been after she personally aborted her daughter's last baby and fed the fetus to a moose while demolishing the Alaska Pipeline and leading an invasion of Canada.

And Obama's patriotism is not in question. His judgement is.

H

KWICKO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:59 PM

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I suppose he could plagerize some of Reagan's speeches and get by...

Nah... Reagan's out. All the cool candidates this year are plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn. Haven't you heard?

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As for experiance. Given the fact that she has more experiance then the Democrat's top candidate, I think that issue just does not fly. On her first day she had more experiance as an elected executive then McCain, Bidden, and Obama combined and on her second day she had twice as much.

Is that the new metric for "experience" now? So if the Democrats nominate a governor - ANY governor - you'll automatically give them your support as being the most experienced? Bullshit.

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Obama would make a fine speech before changing his mind and then checking polls and making clarifications while undermining himself and everyone around him. Bidden would get into a name-calling shouting match before remembering that he got rid of all of our advanced military equipment that he's opposed for decades leaving us at a technological parity against a numerically superior and potentially hostile Russian State. McCain would tell Putin what he thought of him and what he was gonna do to him if he failed to give in (straight talk diplomacy). Palin would smile, take her gun off the wall and face Putin down and know, without looking around for confirmation, that the US military and our allies were standing behind her.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Yeah, Palin's the badass who's gonna draw down on someone. Right. And McCain would say whatever Putin paid him to say - it's how he's worked for the last 25 years. He'd be against Putin, of course, until he was for him. And Palin would be shitting her pants because she has no clue how life outside the Great White North really works.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KWICKO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't get me wrong - I just want to know why Obama's "patriotism" is questioned, and NOT the patriotism of someone who doesn't even want to be a citizen of this country? People keep questioning whether he's a citizen, but here's Palin wanting to throw her American citizenship in the garbage.

I missed the part where Palin wanted to dump her citizenship.

Must have been after she personally aborted her daughter's last baby and fed the fetus to a moose while demolishing the Alaska Pipeline and leading an invasion of Canada.

And Obama's patriotism is not in question. His judgement is.

H

Ummm... You ARE aware of what "secession" means, right? If your state leaves the nation, then by definition, you're not a citizen of that nation any more. Man, you ARE thick.

You say Obama's patriotism isn't in question. After you've spent the last two years calling it into question. As for his judgment, if it's so bad, why are Bush and McCain constantly following Obama's lead on foreign policy issues?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

ERIC

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... You ARE aware of what "secession" means, right? If your state leaves the nation, then by definition, you're not a citizen of that nation any more. Man, you ARE thick.

Secession is one thing, batshit crazy is another:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government...and I won't be buried under their damn flag." - Joe Vogler, Founder of the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP)

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_pr
ofessed_hatred_f.php

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To hopefully be asked by George Stepontopofus:
Governor, does Joe Vogler love America? And wear a flag pin?

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:04 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So if the Democrats nominate a governor - ANY governor - you'll automatically give them your support as being the most experienced? Bullshit.

No. But ANY governor has more executive experiance the Obama.

Besides, experiance is merely one factor. Others include (but are not limited to) values, judgement, vision, penis, knowledge of important issues, supporting cast, and character.

What Palin lacks in some areas is made up for in others. The same is true of Obama, McCain, and Bid(d)en. In that sense she has as much right to her position on the stage as anyone else up there. Let her make her case. If she does and McCain does, then they win. If Obama and Joe make theirs they can win. Our only real dilema comes if both sides make their cases or if both sides fail. If that happens then its a crapshoot (literally crap flying everywhere and there's probably a fan out there somewhere).

H

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:10 PM

Hmm, Vogler sounds like a guy I wouldn't mind tossing back a couple with.

There's a very LARGE difference between loving america, the idea of america, and it's (theoretically) Constitutionally Limited ideal...

And despising the Feudal-Fascist-Federalist monster that's chewing on it in the name of "Government".

Patriotism is wanting your country to be a better place, and trying to hold it to the ideals it was founded upon, that whole my country right or wrong shit, that is fanatic nationalism, and historically who were those people ?

The Bad Guys.

And I don't give a fuck if someone is "technically" an American Citizen or not - see, there's this thing called the Oath of office, where the potential is "sworn in", yes ?

That is an OATH people, something I take seriously, though it seems in this day and age no one bloody else does...

And historically, multi generational citizens have shown utterly no qualms about violating it because they take for granted, or want to destroy/manipulate those ideals...

On the other hand, someone who CAME HERE because of that dream, those ideals, I would say in general might be more likely to uphold them, wouldn't you ?

-Frem

"Call ME a citizen Manfred, an' I'll shove a dakota pinecone right up your !"
-Lucy
http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=158

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... You ARE aware of what "secession" means, right? If your state leaves the nation, then by definition, you're not a citizen of that nation any more. Man, you ARE thick.

Secession? Last time I checked Alaska is still in the Union.

You must be thinking of Vermont or Southern California. Palin is from Alaska and is neither a hispanic nationalist or syrup-sucking liberal. Alaska...oil, fish, trees, snow, tasty moose flesh...but not an independent country.

Palin is a "success"...and she wants others to be successful and is trying to help others be successful...that would make her a successfulnist...is that what you are saying?

H

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:22 PM

Oh, and even meeting with AIPAC, mind you - as opposed to throwing them out of your office...
(Hail to the courage of Congresswoman McCollum)

That's a big red flag for me, bad enough we have foreign intelligence agents suborning our politicians right out in public, a known fact given the criminal history and court proceedings against them - but to have a closed door meeting with that scum, that don't fly.

I am sick of being fucked over by a country that is a worse enemy of ours than any pack of islamic radicals, and I am DAMN sick and tired of them more or less setting our foreign policy to their advantage and our detriment.

In addition, ANY politician who votes a single penny of our tax dollar to em, which'd be every single one but Ron Paul, goes on my shitlist and stays there.

I may not be PN, but their history and actions have defined THAT country as probably the worst enemy and gravest threat our nation has ever faced... and unlike PN, I am damn well willing to prove it.

How much evidence would you like ?

The "Art Students" ?

How bout them "Moving companies", eh ?

COMVERSE infosystems, perhaps ?

Or how bout AMDOCS, maybe ?

Suborning a US firewall company to snoop on customers using that very firewall to keep people out ?
(ZoneAlarm, mind you)

Shooting up one of our boats while jamming AMERICAN distress frequencies ?
(USS Liberty)

Blowing up OUR embassies and trying to blame Arabs for it ?
(Lavon Affair)

I could go on you know... all proven, documented FACTS - any other country pulled this shit, we'd be at war, so why are they so fucking special ?

What do they do for us, but fuck us over EVERY CHANCE THEY GET ?

So no, a closed door meeting with AIPAC is no more acceptable to me, from a politician running for office, than a closed door meeting with the Mafia.

It says nothing good nor trustworthy about them.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KWICKO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:27 PM

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Secession? Last time I checked Alaska is still in the Union.

You must be thinking of Vermont or Southern California. Palin is from Alaska and is neither a hispanic nationalist or syrup-sucking liberal. Alaska...oil, fish, trees, snow, tasty moose flesh...but not an independent country.

Yes, dipshit, Alaska IS still in the Union - but that's no thanks to Palin and her secessionist party, who hate America so much they don't want to be any part of it.

Oh, and by the way, Vermont and Southern California are still part of the Union, too. What I said about you not being very bright? You're really showing that off at this point.

Fact: She was a member of an Alaska-secessionist party, whose stated aim was removing Alaska from the United States. You say you're okay with that, fine. I have to ask you, though - In all honesty, if Barack Obama came out saying that he wanted Illinois to secede from the United States, would you think him qualified to lead? Would he be a "patriot" in your eyes?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:38 PM

HERO, you might have missed this:

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Yesterday night, it was is confirmed that Sarah Palin and her husband were members of the AIP at least in 1994. Indeed, Palin reportedly attended the AIP convention. In 2007, the Vice Chairman of the AIP, Dexter Clark, not only referenced Palin's membership, but also said that since she joined the GOP, "she is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership." Clark also goes on to discuss the need to "infiltrate" the major parties.

The AIP is an Alaskan secessionist movement.

AFA Palin "making her case": She doesn't have to make any case at all. You and all the other dittoheads will comfortably ignore issues that would make you spit nails were she a Democrat. Reason and objectivity aren't in your mental toolkit. Fortunately, the people most likely to sympathize generally don't vote.

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HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:50 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Fact: She was a member of an Alaska-secessionist party, whose stated aim was removing Alaska from the United States.

It turns out that she's been a registered Republican all along. So unless you can trump voter registration records...your just repeating the lies circulating the liberal leftist websites.

Why, I'd think that if a successionist was elected governor she'd do successionist type stuff...like trying to leave the union or inviting Russian 'peacekeepers'.

Now she has been successful. I think its just an honost mistake in terms. Don't feel bad, the liberals make this mistake all the time.

H

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
HERO, you might have missed this:

Missed what, something lifted off the DailyKos. Thats like missing something posted by PirateNews.

Confirmed by who? What's your source and what's their source?

Palin says no and has the record to back it up. Seems to me this is both an attempt by a 1%'er third party to get attention and the liberal bloggers to lie. Next you'll be linking her romantically to Ron Paul.

H

RUE

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:07 PM

You can be a registered repubican and still be a member of a different party. It's like when the repubicans registered democratic to vote in the democratic primaries. It didn't stop them from being repubicans. Remember ?

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

And yeah, I was thinking that her membership in a seccessionist movement sounded promising.

The party of Lincoln, nominating a secessionist.....

Rich.

Righties slam the Obama's for not wearing flag pins, or not being proud enough of America, but someone who wants to actually revoke their own citizenship is a good candidate?

Baffling.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
I'm planning on either voting for the Libertarian Party ticket or writing in Ron Paul as a write-in, but I have to tip my hat to Senator McCain's pick of Governor Palin as his running mate.

Palin was mainly chosen to steal Billary voters, but I doubt Ron Paul voters will trust her. So if that was Turdblossum's intent, it will backfire.

I'll write-in Dr Paul, or maybe Congresswoman McKinney and her female VP, since she adopted Paul's plan to de-privatize the Fed Bank. Doubt she wants to kill the IRS and income tax, tho. She's 9/11 Truth, more public about it than Paul.

Bob Barr is more GOP than Libertarian. His job was to keep Paul out of that slot.

Constitution Party platform is good for USA. Chuck Baldwin is hesitant on 9/11 Truth.

Arab homo Nader is quietly 9/11 Truth, but has no plan to kill the Fed Bank and IRS, that I'm aware of. I was one of Nader's many chauffeurs in 2000, and handed him VHS tapes of 9/11 Road to Tyranny and Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.

Since none of the 3rd party candidates will win in 08, voting for them "only" sends a message of disatisfaction with evil Demorat & Republicon Parties. Voting for the lesser evil only sends the message you are satisfied with evil.

WHEN enough citizens stop voting for the "lesser" evil, and start voting 3rd party, ALL the 3rd parties can form a coalition govt and WIN the White House and Congress, as done in other nations.

Election day votes are mainly for slaves anyway. Real citizens know they can vote every day. A single letter to a Congressman is worth 12,000 votes. A phone call or personal meeting is even more powerful for lobbying.

While in US Air Force, I've personally mailed 100s of pages to Congress, including entire committees, which was powerful enough to get a 4-star general USAF chief of staff fired while leading Gulf War #1, and a job offer from Dick Cheney:
http://piratenews.org/pentagonwhistleblower.html

Never underestimate the power of the written word and a postage stamp.

Ron Paul's speech at rival GOP Libertarian Convention in St Paul

Jesse Ventura's 9/11 Truth speech at rival GOP Con

www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com
www.campaignforliberty.com
www.c-span.org

STORYMARK

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... You ARE aware of what "secession" means, right? If your state leaves the nation, then by definition, you're not a citizen of that nation any more. Man, you ARE thick.

Secession? Last time I checked Alaska is still in the Union.

H

Not for lack of trying (with Palin's help), you fuckin' moron.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

RUE

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:15 PM

PN

While I disagree, I have to say that was a good post.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. A vote for Obama is that single step. The important part is to not stop there.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

KIRKULES

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
PN

While I disagree, I have to say that was a good post.

Yeah, I especially liked the "Arab homo Nader" part. PN can almost put together a coherent thought if he takes his meds.

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You can be a registered repubican and still be a member of a different party. It's like when the repubicans registered democratic to vote in the democratic primaries. It didn't stop them from being repubicans. Remember ?

Wow. So she is a Republican and has done nothing to support or advance the agenda of her "real" party so your conclusion is that despite the complete lack of evidence she must be a member of another party.

She says no, the records support what she says. There is no evidence to the contrary except hearsay and undocumented sources from liberal blogs.

You can't say your being fair and reasonable when your standard of proof is no proof. I'd expect this stuff from PN...

H

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:29 PM

Quote:
Missed what, something lifted off the DailyKos. ...Confirmed by who? What's your source and what's their source?

If you had read the post (You can read, right?} you'd have seen it was confirmed by the Alaska Independence Party itslef

Quote:
Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/09/02/sar
ah-palin-s-alaskan-independence-party-raises-questions-about-vetting-process.aspx

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There is no evidence to the contrary except hearsay and undocumented sources from liberal blogs.

Dickwhack. Go bury your head up your *ss some more. It's dark, warm, and comfortable in there, if you don't mind the smell.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Not for lack of trying (with Palin's help), you fuckin' moron.

Really, with Palin's help? Gosh...what did she do? What did anyone do? Fishing maybe...was she fishing her way to Alaskan independence?

Its true...she likes to fish. But that's hardly the best way to run a secessionist movement.

She is a success...I suspect that were she what you claim Alaska would be an independent state right now.

Lot of independent people in Alaska. And most of those independent types are successful. Independent...independence? Successful...secession?

I think I see where you went wrong.

H

RUE

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:37 PM

Quote:
rue:
While I disagree, I have to say that was a good post.
kirkules:
Yeah, I especially liked the "Arab homo Nader" part. PN can almost put together a coherent thought if he takes his meds.

"Nader was born in Winsted, Connecticut. His parents, Nathra and Rose Nader, were Maronite Catholic immigrants from Lebanon. His family's native language is Arabic and he has spoken it along with English since childhood." As for the homo part, one can only conjecture, and many have. "Arab homo Nader" is not too far off the mark.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
(You can read, right?} you'd have seen it was confirmed by the Alaska Independence Party itslef

And he has no proof of this. Gosh...I wonder why he'd lie?

Seems I NEVER heard of the Alaska Independence Party...till now. No, he would not take advantage of this for political reasons. That's not the way they work. Who work? Why the AIP. Who?

H

RUE

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:43 PM

"Really, with Palin's help? Gosh...what did she do?"

Secretary of the Party. It was up there in the post. In english even.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
The AIP is an Alaskan secessionist movement.

Oh...your talking secessionists.

Thats not Palin. She's a successionist

A person who insists on the importance of a regular succession of events, offices, etc.;

She's a working Mom...she has to be very orderly.

H

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:44 PM

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Really, with Palin's help? Gosh...mmmm ... fishing mumble .... mmumm mumm... It tr...sh ... kes to fi.... But mmummm ... Shssccss...ssct... that mumble... clmmmm ...

What's that you say Hero? I can't hear you. You must be mumbling outta your ass again.

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RUE

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:46 PM

'Hero'

Next you'll be telling us there really were WMDs and the economy is roaring. Anything but the facts, ma'am. Are you ghosting for Rap ?

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Denial - THE repubican number one choice !

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
What's that you say Hero? I can't hear you. You must be mumbling outta your ass again.

Sorry, I missed your point. Unless your point was your complete inability to make a reasonable argument. I got that much.

H

HERO

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Next you'll be telling us there really were WMDs and the economy is roaring. Anything but the facts, ma'am. Are you ghosting for Rap ?

Seems to me the economy was up big last quarter, the dollar is coming on strong, and the price of oil is dropping. Who knows...at this rate we may find those weapons yet.

Edited to add: Its been fun, going home for the night. My Girl's on tonight. Country First everybody...well, Dinner First, then Country.

H

CITIZEN

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Sorry, I missed your point. Unless your point was your complete inability to make a reasonable argument. I got that much.

Do you not like competition in that regard?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

STORYMARK

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:26 PM

Wow. It's amusing to see Hero playing the idiot (I assume he's playing).

You have no way to defend her, so you'll just act silly. Because nothing you've said here makes any sense, or stands up.

Does the silly act work in court?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:54 PM

Quote:
Does the silly act work in court?

Sure does, just slip the Judge a fifth of Glenlivet with a nice green portrait of ole Ben Franklin wrapped around it, and you'll get your verdict even if you sleep through the prosecution.

Alternatively, depending on the Judge, KY and Batteries might be worth a shot too.
(See Also: Judge Donald Thompson)

How else do you think Zero actually wins in court, given the fact that he's a clueless palooka who just gets hammered here even when he DOES have a point ?

Oh, yah - and the historical irony of lincolns party putting forth a seccessionist ain't lost on me either, but THAT bit of humor is just too estoric for most folk to get.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:07 AM

http://www.ownthesidewalk.com/2008/08/palin-myths-dispelled.html

eta: what was that little thing about separation of church and state?

This scares the bejesus out of me:

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.

Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.

"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

ELVISCHRIST

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:00 AM

Found some more info to contribute to the "Profile of Sarah Palin"

From AlterNet:

Quote:
8 More Shocking Revelations About Sarah Palin
By Isaac Fitzgerald and Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted September 3, 2008.

More skeletons come out of Palin's closet.

Since the McCain campaign apparently didn't even bother Googling Sarah Palin before picking her to join the Republican ticket, we've taken it upon ourselves to compile some important -- and terrifying -- revelations about Palin.

Yesterday AlterNet ran a piece titled "Top Ten Most Disturbing Facts and Impressions of Sarah Palin." If you already read yesterday's piece, here's the next installment:

1: Palin Tried to Ban Books From Local Library

Thanks to Bush, the Republican Party is not strongly associated with intellectualism. But Sarah Palin has apparently taken the conservative derision for book-learnin' to a whole new level: Time reports that as mayor of Wasilla, Palin asked the town librarian how to go about banning books from the local library. News reports from the time show that the librarian, who, strangely enough, was opposed to a tactic commonly employed by totalitarian regimes, had her job threatened for not giving her "full support" to the mayor.

The People for the American Way have issued a statement condemning Palin's actions and demanding an explanation from her:

Quote:
People can disagree about a lot of things, but censorship is completely beyond the pale. Our democracy was founded on the belief that government shouldn't tell people what kinds of books to read or what kind of beliefs to hold. No one with that kind of history should be anywhere near the White House. Sarah Palin needs to clarify her stance on freedom of speech immediately, and John McCain needs to explain why he chose a running mate with so little regard for the Constitution.
So far the McCain campaign has been quiet about Palin's attempts to legislate what books people should be allowed to read.

2: Palin Apparently Doesn't Put "Country First"

A central and integral part of the McCain campaign's message is "Country First." McCain is a POW who has always put country before personal gain, as he and his handlers have reminded the public time after time after time. So if the vetting process of Palin was as thorough as McCain's people (and McCain himself) have been claiming, how is it that they missed this:

Quote:
Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.
And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."
Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.
"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed gold miner -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

"Alaska First -- Alaska Always." Huh, I don't suppose there's an unless-you-are-nominated-to-be-vice-president clause, is there? No, probably not.

3: Palin's Love Affair With Earmarks

McCain, when introducing Palin on Friday in Ohio, praised her as a champion for "reform to end the abuses of earmark spending." When it was Palin's turn to speak, she mentioned her claimed opposition to the famous pork barrel project, "the Bridge to Nowhere," as an example of her tough stance on earmarks. Well, we all know now that she was actually for the bridge long before she was against it. Apparently her love affair with earmarks doesn't end there:

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… under her leadership, the state of Alaska has requested 31 earmarks worth $197.8 million in next year's federal budget

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RALLEM

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:06 AM

This is only my opinion, but I think McCain chose Palin knowing her family flaws hoping either Obama or Biden would pounce upon them so it could be brought up that she has a son serving in the Army and it could be also mentioned that McCain has a son in the military. I also think the Republicans would then contrast how neither Obama nor Biden have children serving and ask the people of America who would really look out for the troops better the parents of soldiers or those who were not. Obama didn't bite on this bait in my opinion.

http://swyzzlestyx.com/index.html

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:08 AM

I think McCain allowed himself to be talked into choosing Palin so when he loses he has a reason to blame other than his total inadequacy for the job.

But thats just my opinion.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

ELVISCHRIST

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:09 AM

Also found this, from the LA Times, which seems to support that Sarah Palin wasn't actually a member of the AIP, but certainly her husband was, and she attended at least two of their conventions, speaking at one:

Quote:

Sarah Palin's ties to Alaskan Independence Party are played down

The McCain campaign denies his running mate supports the party's separatist bent.

By Michael Finnegan, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 3, 2008

Tonight, Sarah Palin will be nominated as the Republican Party's choice for vice president of the United States.

But back home, she has cheered the work of a tiny party that long has pushed for a statewide vote on whether Alaska should secede from those same United States. And her husband, Todd, was a member of the party for seven years.

"Keep up the good work," Sarah Palin told members of the Alaskan Independence Party in a videotaped speech to their convention six months ago in Fairbanks. She wished the party luck on what she called its "inspiring convention."

The Alaskan Independence Party, founded in 1978, initially promoted "the Alaskan independence movement." But now, according to its website, "its primary goal is merely a vote on secession."

McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said Tuesday that Palin did not support splitting Alaska off from the rest of the country. He sidestepped the question of whether she favored a statewide vote on secession.

"Gov. Palin believes that every American is entitled to their point of view, and their political beliefs," he said.

Bounds also did not directly answer the question of whether her husband supported the secession of Alaska.

"I can tell you that Mr. Palin is a proud American," Bounds said. "And he's excited that his wife has joined John McCain to reform Washington and make government work more effectively for all Americans."

For all but two months from 1995 to 2002, the governor's husband was registered as an Alaskan Independence Party member, according to the Alaska Division of Elections.

With McCain's campaign emphasizing patriotism -- his latest slogan is "Country First" -- the Palins' links to a party founded by the late secessionist gold miner Joe Vogler could prove awkward.

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American," Vogler is quoted as saying elsewhere on the party’s website. "I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

The party supports a plebiscite on four options that it says Alaskans were entitled to vote on before becoming a state in 1959: Form a sovereign nation of their own, become a state, accept commonwealth status similar to Puerto Rico's, or remain a U.S. territory.

Leaders of the party say many of its 13,681 registered members have joined out of frustration over restrictions that the federal government has placed on the use of its vast land holdings in Alaska. Beyond the secession vote, the party also advocates gun rights, home schooling and abolition of property taxes.

A question-and-answer page on its website asks, "Aren't most Alaskan Independence Party members a bunch of radicals and kooks?"

"The party has its share of individualists, in the grand Alaskan tradition," the answer says. "No longer a fringe party, the AIP is a viable third party with a serious mission and qualified candidates for elected offices."

Less than 3% of the state's 479,721 registered voters are members of the party.

An AIP high point came in 1990, when Walter J. Hickel -- a Republican governor of Alaska in the late 1960s -- won the job again as the Alaskan Independence Party's candidate. But he returned months later to the GOP.

Palin and her husband attended the party's 1994 convention at a Best Western in Wasilla, Alaska, said former Chairman Mark Chryson, a computer repairman who is now the party's webmaster.

A former mayor of Wasilla, Palin also spoke to the party's convention in the same hotel in 2006 when she was running for governor, Chryson said.

Dexter Clark, an Alaskan Independence Party vice chairman, brought up Palin's ties to the group in videota

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ELVISCHRIST

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:16 AM

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Wow. It's amusing to see Hero playing the idiot (I assume he's playing).

Never assume. Hero isn't "playing" the idiot. He's really that dim.

Interesting that a "lawyer" would have such a hard time figuring out the words in front of him.

He says she can't be a secessionist because Alaska's still part of the union.

I guess Obama can't be an America-hating socialist, either - America's still here, and it ain't socialist.

And he mustn't want to take our guns, either - after all, everyone I know still has theirs, so that proves Obama don't want 'em!

EC (TCB)

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

ERIC

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rallem:
This is only my opinion, but I think McCain chose Palin knowing her family flaws hoping either Obama or Biden would pounce upon them so it could be brought up that she has a son serving in the Army and it could be also mentioned that McCain has a son in the military. I also think the Republicans would then contrast how neither Obama nor Biden have children serving and ask the people of America who would really look out for the troops better the parents of soldiers or those who were not. Obama didn't bite on this bait in my opinion.

Actually Biden's son is heading over to Iraq in a few weeks. Why didn't you know that? Because he chose not to exploit it. BTW, did you know McSame was a POW?

Edit: Of course, Failin' will milk it for all it's worth, apparently. USA! USA! Hwaah! Ugh.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:18 AM

McCain was a POW? First I've heard of it. You know, he NEVER talks about it...

Karl Rove's take on Sarah Pal(l)in:

Quote:
Karl Rove told the Washington Post that Sarah Palin was, quote, "not a governing decision but a campaign decision."

So apparently ROVE realizes she's just window dressing, and has no real governing experience. Other GOP staffers and water-carriers have referred to it as "political bullshit" and "gimmicky" as well.

As long as the party's 100% behind her, right?

Vegas odds are 8.3:1 that she'll make it to November. I'll take that bet.

Apparently there's already talk of dumping her off the ticket - which wouldn't reek of desperation or anything!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

ERIC

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Apparently there's already talk of dumping her off the ticket - which wouldn't reek of desperation or anything!

Whoah, Harriet Miers returns!

MIERS/PALIN '16!!!

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:36 AM

Quote:

No. But ANY governor has more executive experiance the Obama.

Besides, experiance is merely one factor. Others include (but are not limited to) values, judgement, vision, penis, knowledge of important issues, supporting cast, and character.

You know, I could just as easily argue that ANY legislator has more knowledge of the law than Pal(l)in.

Nice to know you equate her "experiance" as mayor-of-a-hamlet as somehow being superior to that of a United States Senator (or even a state senator).

Let's look at her other qualities:

"values" - pretty vague, that. She's "a REAL American" who advocates voting on secession for her state. How very American of her.

Judgement - I haven't seen where she's exercised much. Firing the guy who wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband doesn't exactly reek of sound judgement, but maybe I'm just a reactionary...

Vision - Not good - she wears glasses, and not in a "hot librarian" kind of way. Speaking of which, since when is banning books from the local library seen as "visionary"? If your "vision" is of a world from Fahrenheit 411, then yeah...

Penis - Again, she comes up short. Not that a penis is necessary to be the President or Vice President - just pray to your god that she never cries or shows emotion! You guys didn't like it when Hillary did that... said it proved she wasn't ready to lead.

Knowledge of important issues - Well, she does fish, right? And she knows a thing or two about snow.

Supporting cast - Does she have one? I know McCane likes to stare at her ass, but I don't know if that qualifies as "support" or as just plain creepy-old-pervert.

Character - She was runner-up in a beauty contest. And she graduated from some backwoods community college. But hey, she was able to squeeze out five kids, so she must have character, right? Or an inability to cross her legs.

Sorry, but I remain unimpressed. As do most Americans.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

ANTHONYT

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:39 AM

"I was one of Nader's many chauffeurs in 2000, and handed him VHS tapes of 9/11 Road to Tyranny"

Hello,

Piratenews, I am having trouble reconciling this statement. Are you suggesting that while you were Nader's chauffer in 2000, you handed him a tape detailing a terrorist attack that was going to happen the following year? And it correctly predicted the month and date of the attack?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

ERIC

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:41 AM

My God, I'm listening to Caribou Barbie speechifying on Mike Malloy right now. She sounds like she walked off the cast of Fargo dontchya know.

Malloy: "As far as an advocate for special needs in the White House, we've already got one, and we're trying to send him back to Crawford."

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:00 AM

Quote:
"As far as an advocate for special needs in the White House, we've already got one, and we're trying to send him back to Crawford."

Please don't. We don't want him anywhere near us. No good can come of it. Please send him back to Connecticut, or Maine, or wherever the hell he's from, 'cause it sure ain't Texas!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"I was one of Nader's many chauffeurs in 2000, and handed him VHS tapes of 9/11 Road to Tyranny"

Hello,

Piratenews, I am having trouble reconciling this statement. Are you suggesting that while you were Nader's chauffer in 2000, you handed him a tape detailing a terrorist attack that was going to happen the following year? And it correctly predicted the month and date of the attack?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Debunking the debunkers!! I love it!

I am having trouble reconciling that he handed someone VHS tapes. Have DVDs not made it to your neck of the backwoods yet?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

ANTHONYT

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:23 AM

Well,

DVD's had only been on a standard format for about 5 years in 2000, when Piratenews handed over his prophetic VHS tape. I suppose driving Nader around wasn't profitable enough for Pirate to afford a DVD burner. I seem to recall they were a bit pricey in the beginning.

Though, the thought of Piratenews driving around Mr. Nader gives "Unsafe at Any Speed" a whole new meaning.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:39 AM

Quote:
Though, the thought of Piratenews driving around Mr. Nader gives "Unsafe at Any Speed" a whole new meaning.

Quit it! You just made me spew a beverage all over my keyboard!

But I think that should read "UnSANE at Any Speed". ;)

Mike

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:32 AM

Well I caught most of her speech (n-between cooking dinner, dealing with the roofers and painters, helping hubby move his office, and taking DD to the gym. Say, did I mention the caribou I shot after work for dinner?)

Anyhooo... it sounded like a VERY long version of the kind of speech that beauty contestants trot through to prove that they actually have a brain: "And I'm for world peace, and fluffy kittens. I want to be a doctor, or a nuclear scientist. Would you like to hear my rendition of the National Anthem?"

I heard waaaay too much about her family (HEY! I thought she wanted to keep that PRIVATE!), the PTA, and being the mayor of a dot on the map... CLEARLY nobody knows what's involved in being mayor of a whopping 6000 people! And since she'll be an advocate for special needs children everywhere... how does she feel about universal health care and disability benefits?

Altogether not very impressive. from my POV.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:11 AM

I only caught the last 10 minutes of her "speech" so I can't really, in earnest, offer any real objective criticism......

Awwh, who am I kidding! It kind of reminded me of this old movie from the 70's called Stepford Wives. It sound like she was reading a cookbook recipe to one of her "hockey-mom" friends.

I've seen more passion at a buddhist convention.

A reporter on Channel 7 interviewed a couple of conventioners - one male and one female (for balanced reporting I'm guessing) - and the woman said that, although she's thoroughly convinced McCain is the right man for the job, the jury's still out on her confidence in Palin. The man, of course, supported McCain's bold move in choosing a virtual unknown to run on the ticket. But, to me, he didn't sound too convincing.

Afterward McCain chimed in that his quest for change is genunine. Ahem, er, excuse me wasn't it McCain bashing Obama's rhetoric on affecting change in Washington. Suddenly we're starting to hear the "c" word in the republican camp. Hmmmm, mighty suspichoso! (pronounced so-pee-cho-so) as my friend would say. Something smells in Moosecreek, Alaska.

"Strange days indeed!, most peculiar mama!" John Lennon

AURAPTOR

Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:18 PM

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Here's the thing, McCain wanted to choose someone as far away from Washington, D.C. as possible.....

I'm not convinced that John McCain actually made this decision. This has Karl Rove's fingerprints all over it. I am afraid that Mr McCain has let his "handlers" do too much of the thinking for him. I get that he sees himself as a Maverick and wants to shake up things in Washington, but shaking up government at the expense of having inexperienced or outright incompetent members of your cabinet shows, to me at least, very poor judgement.

Rove has no sway over McCain. Folks are going to have to get over this Rove fetish and move on. Palin is a great pick, a true breath of fresh air, and a real American. Newt was right, she has more leadership experience than Obama, and she knows a thing or two about cutting pork. And moose. And caribou...... Time for D.C. to get an extreme make over !

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by rallem:
I also think the Republicans would then contrast how neither Obama nor Biden have children serving and ask the people of America who would really look out for the troops better the parents of soldiers or those who were not.

Wow, that sure would be clever if Beau Biden wasn't about to deploy. He's a Captain in the Reserves...you might remember him as the smart looking fella that introduced his Dad at the convention. He has "future US Senator" tattooed on his forehead...

H

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
He says she can't be a secessionist because Alaska's still part of the union.

I said she has not been pushing a secessionist agenda in response to the crazy talk that said she was an unregistered member of the AIP.

Course the AIP has now come out and said "oops" we got that one wrong. I give the AIP a lot of credit for correcting the record. In that regard they stand above the mainstream media.

H

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So apparently ROVE realizes she's just window dressing, and has no real governing experience.

No...don't you read all the different posts?

Rove is secretly the head of the AIP (not registered, but that means nothing) and this is all part of his puppetmaster plot to enable Alaskan independence and keep George Bush in office so that the Jews can kill PirateNews and teach evangelical creationism to unborn babies in American schools.

Its really very simple, they talk about it on MSNBC all the time.

H

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:56 PM

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No...don't you read all the different posts?

Rove is secretly the head of the AIP (not registered, but that means nothing) and this is all part of his puppetmaster plot to enable Alaskan independence and keep George Bush in office so that the Jews can kill PirateNews and teach evangelical creationism to unborn babies in American schools.

Its really very simple, they talk about it on MSNBC all the time.

So you're saying Palin is the Jewish head of Rove's MSNBC?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:17 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rove has no sway over McCain. Folks are going to have to get over this Rove fetish and move on. Palin is a great pick, a true breath of fresh air, and a real American. Newt was right, she has more leadership experience than Obama, and she knows a thing or two about cutting pork. And moose. And caribou...... Time for D.C. to get an extreme make over !

A real American is someone who hates America so much they want their State to Secede?

Cutting Pork is only abandoning projects when their 'pork content' is reduced, and keeping the pork you've already got for a project that doesn't exist?

Having less experience in a small state is more than more experience in a larger one?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:42 PM

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Having less experience in a small state is more than more experience in a larger one?

Yup - on the Republicans' experience scale, my mayor (Austin, Texas) is more experienced than Alaska's governor. He's been in office longer, and Austin has 100,000 more people than Alaska. And he's got at least as much foreign policy experience, since he has to deal with Mexicans on a daily basis.

So that's their argument in a nutshell. The person with less experience, less time in office, representing fewer people, is the more experienced candidate. By which logic, Obama has far more experience than McCane! :)

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KWICKO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:51 PM

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A real American is someone who hates America so much they want their State to Secede?

Oh, Cit - Don't you get it? That's what makes her a "McCane Maverick"!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, Cit - Don't you get it? That's what makes her a "McCane Maverick"!

From what I've heard of most of the Founding Fathers, if they were living today a fair deal of American's wouldn't consider them 'real' Americans.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:02 PM

Curious. Bush's ardent supporters now want "change"!

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Palin is a great pick, a true breath of fresh air, and a real American. Newt was right, she has more leadership experience than Obama, and she knows a thing or two about cutting pork. And moose. And caribou...... Time for D.C. to get an extreme make over !

Why must you hate Bush so much?

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

HERO

Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:32 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Curious. Bush's ardent supporters now want "change"!

Not change...REFORM! I think we can all agree that we need some reform.

One nice thing about Palin is, from her track record, if she see's corruption on either side she'll fight it. And if she see's a moose she'll shoot it. That's what Washington needs. Less fleece and dead meese.

H

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:45 PM

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from her track record, if she see's corruption on either side she'll fight it

I think you need to look into her so-called track record of reform.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal