It's Palin

POSTED BY: Khyron
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KHYRON

Friday, August 29, 2008 2:56 PM

Fact.

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, August 29, 2008 3:41 PM

yep, that's what i hear...

still trying to figure that one out...

(i could say something snarky like.. maybe McCain needed a young caretaker more than a vice president - but that would not be very nice.. so i won't say it)

KHYRON

Friday, August 29, 2008 4:05 PM

Wasn't McCain's choice, apparently he wanted Lieberman (another WTF!? choice), but he was overruled by Rove and the other powers-that-be. So, John McCain being the maverick that John McCain is, he fell in line and picked who they wanted him to pick.

At first I thought Palin would be a good choice (might appeal to Hillary-Democrats), but now I think it's a mistake. You don't accuse your opponent of being too inexperienced by picking somebody who's even more inexperienced.

She's hot though, so I don't mind seeing more of here.

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HKCAVALIER

Friday, August 29, 2008 4:08 PM

Wow. Pander Bear does it again! Hillary Clinton earned every one of her 18 million votes while McCain appoints a woman to cash in on the few disaffected Hillary supporters who would rather see a woman--any woman--in office than to have women's rights upheld. The Republicans are truly desperate if they'll stoop to stunt casting the VP. Cynical, cynical, cynical.

Oh, and to my adoring fans who'll say that I'm the one being cynical, "if it was a dem--blah, blah, blah," I'll ask you: if the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this 2 year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod? If there were any doubt that the GOP has lost all respect for our democracy, this should remove it.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

RIGHTEOUS9

Friday, August 29, 2008 4:12 PM

Has Palin been exonerated in that investigation as to whether or not she tried to use her power to get her ex-brother-in-law fired?

I read somewhere that that might be retaliation for her own role in sending some crooked politicians up the river, so I won't pass judgement yet, but while that investigatin still goes on, it seems like a risky choice.

On the other hand, if it does ammount to nothing, she seems like a smart choice, though I do think the reasoning behind it is pretty sleazy.

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, August 29, 2008 4:16 PM

HK... not sure i'm gonna cop to the 'adoring fans' thing... but i am in total agreement with you here - the scent of desperation is certainly in the air...

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, August 29, 2008 5:30 PM

A poster over on Huffington Post asked if Palin wasn't a member of Monty Python...

no, but she is from Alaska - so maybe she's a lumberjack - and she's ok...!

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Wow. Pander Bear does it again! Hillary Clinton earned every one of her 18 million votes while McCain appoints a woman to cash in on the few disaffected Hillary supporters who would rather see a woman--any woman--in office than to have women's rights upheld. The Republicans are truly desperate if they'll stoop to stunt casting the VP. Cynical, cynical, cynical.

So you are saying that she will not do a good job? She is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hilary voters? Are you being a little sexist in your attempt to smear all that is Republican?

HKCAVALIER

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:22 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Wow. Pander Bear does it again! Hillary Clinton earned every one of her 18 million votes while McCain appoints a woman to cash in on the few disaffected Hillary supporters who would rather see a woman--any woman--in office than to have women's rights upheld. The Republicans are truly desperate if they'll stoop to stunt casting the VP. Cynical, cynical, cynical.

So you are saying that she will not do a good job. She is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hilary voters? Are you being a little sexist in your attempt to smear all that is Republican?

Ah, one of my adoring fans! I knew you couldn't stay away! Oh yes, yes, I'm being so very sexist! Oh, grumble, grumble, how can I counter your righteous attack? Um...um...WWRD (What would Rove do?)

Oh, I know!

Ahem, ahem. Lemme just puff out my chest here and put on my scowly face: Oh, BDM, how could you stoop so low! Playing the GENDER CARD! I am indeed shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

There.

How was that?

Oh, and um, yeah: she is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hillary voters. Pure stunt casting. Just another corrupt political appointment from the folks who do it best!

Someone up in the thread asked a good question or two:

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If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this 2 year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod? If there were any doubt that the GOP has lost all respect for our democracy, this should remove it.

Well said!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

WHOZIT

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:32 PM

What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!

HKCAVALIER

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:39 PM

The guy can't spell "cooties!" lmao

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!

It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. At some point it becomes hard to see how this love of diversity is anything more then partisan rhetoric, for a lot of Democrats and Liberals.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:42 PM

has it come to this? who has more experience.... an ex beauty queen, ex mayor of a town of 9000 - governor of a state with the infamous bridge to nowhere.... or a coodie...

coodie is looking pretty good

STORYMARK

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:46 PM

Get over your righteous indignation. Yeah, Dems are taking potshots at her - but I'm sure all you conservatives were welling up with wonderfull things to say about Biden.

Get the fuck over yourselves.

I don't think she's a terrible choice. But anyone saying that pandering to those disaffected Hillary supports wasn't at least a part of this choice, has their head buried in Turdblossom's ass.

It is amusing that both Presidential candidates, essentially chose a proxy of their opponent as their running mate.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

WHOZIT

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
The guy can't spell "cooties!" lmao

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

EAT IT!!!!

HKCAVALIER

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:50 PM

Okay, since you loveable rogues can't answer a simple question, I'll do it for ya:

If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this virtually unknown, 1 and a half year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod?

Not on your life. And you know it.

There are countless Republicans with better credentials than Palin--some of them even got some votes (you know, those little things democratic societies use from time to time?) for President in the primaries. But no, Palin trumps 'em all in...in...well, I'm sure they'll dig up (or is that drill up?) something!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Get over your righteous indignation. Yeah, Dems are taking potshots at her - but I'm sure all you conservatives were welling up with wonderfull things to say about Biden.

I didn’t say anything bad about Biden. And while many people may have criticized Biden, it wasn’t for the color of his skin or his gender.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by whozit:
What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!
It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. At some point it becomes hard to see how this love of diversity is anything more then partisan rhetoric, for a lot of Democrats and Liberals.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

Specifics please. What liberals and what remarks? Specifically.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

STORYMARK

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:53 PM

I don't think anyone is critisizing Palin for her gender. We're critisizing the McCain campaign for his fairly transparent strategy.

Especially since it looks like this was less McCain's choice, and more Rove's. If it was who McCain wanted at his side, it'd be one thing. But if it's Rove doing what he does - then yes, critisism is valid.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Friday, August 29, 2008 6:54 PM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!
It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. At some point it becomes hard to see how this love of diversity is anything more then partisan rhetoric, for a lot of Democrats and Liberals.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

Specifics please. What liberals and what remarks? Specifically.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

You are asking for specifics from a member of the talking point brigade.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

WHOZIT

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:03 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Okay, since you loveable rogues can't answer a simple question, I'll do it for ya:

If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this virtually unknown, 1 and a half year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod?

Not on your life. And you know it.

There are countless Republicans with better credentials than Palin--some of them even got some votes (you know, those little things democratic societies use from time to time?) for President in the primaries. But no, Palin trumps 'em all in...in...well, I'm sure they'll dig up (or is that drill up?) something!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Hillary was thrown under the bus. EAT IT!

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:23 PM

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It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice

Such as?

BTW, you forgot Clarence Thomas.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Specifics please. What liberals and what remarks? Specifically.

There are cartoons of Condaleeza Rice being portrayed as a buffoon with racial imagery, Collin Powell has been called a “house slave,” and compared to a chimp on an anti-war poster. It happens. And you can see it on this board, if you pay attention. Not every Liberal cares about diversity as much as they claim, especially when it comes to the diversity of ideas. Obama is a courageous trend setter, but Colin Powell is a “house slave.” Hillary is the right person for the VP, but Palin is a “stunt.” For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Ah, one of my adoring fans! I knew you couldn't stay away! Oh yes, yes, I'm being so very sexist! Oh, grumble, grumble, how can I counter your righteous attack? Um...um...WWRD (What would Rove do?)

Oh, I know!

Ahem, ahem. Lemme just puff out my chest here and put on my scowly face: Oh, BDM, how could you stoop so low! Playing the GENDER CARD! I am indeed shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

There.

How was that?

Cheap, self-serving theatrics if you ask me. And who played the gender card first?

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Oh, and um, yeah: she is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hillary voters. Pure stunt casting. Just another corrupt political appointment from the folks who do it best!

In your not so humble opinion, SHCavalier

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Someone up in the thread asked a good question or two:
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If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this 2 year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod? If there were any doubt that the GOP has lost all respect for our democracy, this should remove it.
Well said!

Perhaps the Dems only nominated Obama because of his skin color and almost Hilary because of her female parts. You know, either way it's no "rich old guy". They get a pass because they thought of it first or is there something more nefarious going on under the surface here? Why not reserve judgement until after you learn more about Palin. Maybe she is the right pick for the potential job. Wasn't that what everybody was supposed to do with Obama?
Let's forget anything they may or may not bring to the table when we can focus on much more mundane things such as gender and race or shady politics.

HKCAVALIER

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:36 PM

Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

And Jeez Marie, work on your funny-bone, dude!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

WHOZIT

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

And Jeez Marie, work on your funny-bone, dude!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

She had sex with McCain, then he put her on the ticket.......EAT IT!

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:39 PM

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Obama is a courageous trend setter, but Colin Powell is a “house slave.”

That prolly has to do more with the quality of their ideas than the color of their skin. Poor Colin Powell quit in shame after he realized he'd been hoodwinked by the WH. He prolly still regrets the day when he made an *ss of himself before the whole world.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

HKCAVALIER

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Hillary is the right person for the VP, but Palin is a “stunt.” For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

I should know better than to reply to you Finn, but I can't pass this one. How in the world can you place Sarah Palin on a par with Hillary Clinton?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

WHODIED

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:44 PM

McCain picked Palin? That's Hot! She's the Paris Hiltony of ALL the politicos.

Think he'll leave his wife for her?

--WhoDied

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All those secrets you've been concealing
Say you're happy now...

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:45 PM

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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

Democrats who voted in something called "the primaries". You might have heard of them?

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:48 PM

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I should know better than to reply to you Finn, but I can't pass this one. How in the world can you place Sarah Palin on a par with Hillary Clinton?

Because HE can't see past their gender or color to actually evaluate their exeprience and objectives. Which is why he can't wrap his brain around the fact that Colin Powel is criticized but Obama is not.

Don't expect reason from Finn. He doesn't use it much, himself.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?
Democrats who voted in something called "the primaries". You might have heard of them?

Not what I'm asking, think before the primaries. Who "voted" Obama to place his name in the running for the Dems?

HKCAVALIER

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:50 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

Oh, fer cryin' out-loud! You have that much contempt for our democratic process, BDM? There were 10 legitimate candidates running for the nomination and Obama won. What the heck are you talking about?

And just so you know: if you hand me another one of these nonsensical quips of yours, I won't bother replying.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

STORYMARK

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:52 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?
Democrats who voted in something called "the primaries". You might have heard of them?

Not what I'm asking, think before the primaries. Who "voted" Obama to place his name in the running for the Dems?

What a stupid question. The same can be asked of every candidate in the Primaries - for both parties.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Hillary is the right person for the VP, but Palin is a “stunt.” For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.
I should know better than to reply to you Finn, but I can't pass this one. How in the world can you place Sarah Palin on a par with Hillary Clinton?

Palin has had two years of executive experience in a leadership role of state bordered completely by foreign nations. The closest thing Hillary has ever been to an executive position is first lady. Palin made a reputation for demanding honesty and transparency even within her own party. Clinton made a reputation for dishonesty with dubious associations such as Whitewater. You’re right - when examined more closely, Hillary is not on par with Palin.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:56 PM

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Not what I'm asking, think before the primaries. Who "voted" Obama to place his name in the running for the Dems?

you declare yourself. This is how, step by step. Do us a favor and educate yourself
How to Become US President: A Step-by-Step Guide
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3. Declare Candidacy and File Applications with Federal Election Commission

The Federal Election Commission (FEC), created by Congress to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) - the statute that governs the financing of federal elections define the process of registering a candidacy for President in the following manner:

"If you are running for the US House, Senate or the Presidency, you must register with the FEC once you (or persons acting on your behalf) receive contributions or make expenditures in excess of $5,000. Within 15 days of reaching that $5,000 threshold, you must file a Statement of Candidacy authorizing a principal campaign committee to raise and spend funds on your behalf. Within 10 days of that filing, your principal campaign committee must submit a Statement of Organization. Your campaign will thereafter report its receipts and disbursements on a regular basis."

www.2008electionprocon.org/howtopresident.htm#declare

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:04 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
What a stupid question. The same can be asked of every candidate in the Primaries - for both parties.

Palin was picked by Republican insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Hilary voters.
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Bush voters. When the Dems do it, it's smart politicking. When the Repubs do it, it's slimy politicking.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:07 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
And just so you know: if you hand me another one of these nonsensical quips of yours, I won't bother replying.

Do I care, am I caring now?

RUE

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:08 PM

Obama won the vote. I guess in democracies that's how the 'insiders' - mostly democrats voting in the primaries - 'pick' the nominee.

What a strange, evil concept.

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

HKCAVALIER

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Palin has had two years of executive experience in a leadership role of state bordered completely by foreign nations.

I smell a talking point! Shoot, boys, she's the Governor of Alaska and you know what that means! She's gone toe to toe with the Rooskies! AND...not to mention...

the Canadians!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Obama won the vote. I guess in democracies that's how the 'insiders' - mostly democrats voting in the primaries - 'pick' the nominee.

What a strange, evil concept.

I'm talking before the primaries, do try to keep up.

RUE

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:16 PM

It would be easier to understand you if you used English better. Or thought better. Or were smarter.

"Palin was picked by Republican insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Hilary voters.
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Bush voters. When the Dems do it, it's smart politicking. When the Repubs do it, it's slimy politicking."

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Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
It would be easier to understand you if you used English better. Or thought better. Or were smarter.

Thanks for that Rue. Oh by the way, do you have anything topical to say or have you reverted to trolling already?

KWICKO

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:29 PM

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I didn’t say anything bad about Biden. And while many people may have criticized Biden, it wasn’t for the color of his skin or his gender.

No, if I recall correctly, it was for the color of his teeth...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KWICKO

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:33 PM

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For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

Yes, for some... like those who call John McCane a "war hero" - but who denigrated John Kerry's service to his country and wore their precious little "purple heart band-aids" at the last Republican convention, and who supported the Swift-Boat bunch.

Yeah, it seems SOME people really do differentiate between which side of the aisle you sit on as to your "equality", whether it be equality of gender, equality of service, or equality of race.

Some people...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

STORYMARK

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
What a stupid question. The same can be asked of every candidate in the Primaries - for both parties.

Palin was picked by Republican insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Hilary voters.
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Bush voters. When the Dems do it, it's smart politicking. When the Repubs do it, it's slimy politicking.

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I don't think the selection of either has been "smart" or "slimy" politiking. Just plain regualr politicking.

Palin - Selected by Rep insiders, yes.

Obama - Voted in as candidate by citizens.

You are talking about two entirely different situations.

As far as "before the primary" - he threw his hat in the ring. Same as McCain - thus my statement about it applying to all candidates.

I could see your point working if you were comparing Palin and Biden, as he was selected as well.

Or, if you were comparing McCain to Obama, as both were elected by the citizens of their party, to be their presidential candidate.

But you are not making either point, so I have to ask, when was your last stroke?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 29, 2008 8:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

Yes, for some... like those who call John McCane a "war hero" - but who denigrated John Kerry's service to his country and wore their precious little "purple heart band-aids" at the last Republican convention, and who supported the Swift-Boat bunch.

Yeah, it seems SOME people really do differentiate between which side of the aisle you sit on as to your "equality", whether it be equality of gender, equality of service, or equality of race.

Except that two people can serve in the military and not justifiably be viewed equal for that service. While I never denigrated Kerry’s service in Vietnam, it does not in any way even come close to McCain’s service, because the two levels of sacrifice are so disproportionate. BUT there’s no way to make that qualification concerning race or gender. In other words, no one has ever claimed that two individuals are equal on service alone, but the claim is often made that race and gender should be viewed without qualification. It’s not the same thing.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 9:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I don't think the selection of either has been "smart" or "slimy" politiking. Just plain regualr politicking.

Palin - Selected by Rep insiders, yes.

Obama - Voted in as candidate by citizens.

You are talking about two entirely different situations.

As far as "before the primary" - he threw his hat in the ring. Same as McCain - thus my statement about it applying to all candidates.

I could see your point working if you were comparing Palin and Biden, as he was selected as well.

Or, if you were comparing McCain to Obama, as both were elected by the citizens of their party, to be their presidential candidate.

But you are not making either point, so I have to ask, when was your last stroke?

Let me make myself clearer as it seems like you are not understanding my point and are too shy to ask for clarification.
Obama was not voted by anyone to run for President. Perhaps some Dem insiders thought he would make a good candidate and convinced him to run. The fact that he was voted in by the people in the primaries is not my point at all.
Palin was judged by some Repub insiders as being the best choice as McCain's running mate. Unless I'm mistaken, she is not the Vice-President yet and will not be unless a majority of Americans vote for McCain. Now why, do you suppose, the Dem's can pick a candidate they think will bring in a lot of votes and that is considered smart. When the Repub's bring in a candidate they think will bring in a lot of votes it's somehow slimy and underhanded?

Is my point any clearer to you now or will I have to break out the crayons.

STORYMARK

Friday, August 29, 2008 9:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I don't think the selection of either has been "smart" or "slimy" politiking. Just plain regualr politicking.

Palin - Selected by Rep insiders, yes.

Obama - Voted in as candidate by citizens.

You are talking about two entirely different situations.

As far as "before the primary" - he threw his hat in the ring. Same as McCain - thus my statement about it applying to all candidates.

I could see your point working if you were comparing Palin and Biden, as he was selected as well.

Or, if you were comparing McCain to Obama, as both were elected by the citizens of their party, to be their presidential candidate.

But you are not making either point, so I have to ask, when was your last stroke?

Let me make myself clearer as it seems like you are not understanding my point and are too shy to ask for clarification.
Obama was not voted by anyone to run for President. Perhaps some Dem insiders thought he would make a good candidate and convinced him to run. The fact that he was voted in by the people in the primaries is not my point at all.
Palin was judged by some Repub insiders as being the best choice as McCain's running mate. Unless I'm mistaken, she is not the Vice-President yet and will not be unless a majority of Americans vote for McCain. Now why, do you suppose, the Dem's can pick a candidate they think will bring in a lot of votes and that is considered smart. When the Repub's bring in a candidate they think will bring in a lot of votes it's somehow slimy and underhanded?

Is my point any clearer to you now or will I have to break out the crayons.

Okay, I see your point. It still makes no fucking sense, but I see it.

Again, I don't think Palin is a bad candidate. Nor do I think it's slimy she was chosen. Never commented on any of that, really.

All I did was point out that, Obama got where he was the same way as EVER CANDIDATE, you dipshit.

Or was there a vote held for McCain to run, before the Primaries, as well.

Christ, I thouhgt for a moment, you might actually have a coherent thought process going. Oh well, my mistake.

But have fun with your crayons. You know, when you put one in your ear, you're supposed to STOP pushing when you feel resistance. Try to remember that. Might be too late already, but try anyway.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Friday, August 29, 2008 9:26 PM

double

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 9:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Again, I don't think Palin is a bad candidate. Nor do I think it's slimy she was chosen. Never commented on any of that, really.

No, you are correct. It was SHCavalier who first brought the slimy point up and I was merely countering it when you interjected.

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
All I did was point out that, Obama got where he was the same way as EVER CANDIDATE, you dipshit.

Fair enough. Why not say the sky is blue or 2+2=4 for that matter. All statements which can be considered correct but not very relevant to the point that was being made.

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Or was there a vote held for McCain to run, before the Primaries, as well.

I don't think so but please check in with Signy as she seems to be up on the whole process.

STORYMARK

Friday, August 29, 2008 9:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Fair enough. Why not say the sky is blue or 2+2=4 for that matter. All statements which can be considered correct but not very relevant to the point that was being made.

Well, I would have, if someone had said "The sky is blue because the sea is orange" or "2+2=86", because they are more equivalent to your point equating how Obama got where he is to how Palin got where she is.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

WHODIED

Friday, August 29, 2008 9:57 PM

Quote:
Except that two people can serve in the military and not justifiably be viewed equal for that service. While I never denigrated Kerry’s service in Vietnam, it does not in any way even come close to McCain’s service, because the two levels of sacrifice are so disproportionate. BUT there’s no way to make that qualification concerning race or gender. In other words, no one has ever claimed that two individuals are equal on service alone, but the claim is often made that race and gender should be viewed without qualification. It’s not the same thing.

This seems wrong. How does getting captured make McCain's service better, or greater. His sacrifice perhaps, but not his service.

Couldn't you also make the case that getting captured renders his service less good. He failed!

In any case, the whole basis of this reasoning seems fallacious. Like: Service equals Citizenship!! (But more so for Razak's Roughnecks...)

--WhoDied

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Say you're happy now...

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 29, 2008 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WhoDied:
This seems wrong. How does getting captured make McCain's service better, or greater. His sacrifice perhaps, but not his service.

Couldn't you also make the case that getting captured renders his service less good. He failed!

So you think that a person who joins the Air Guard and never participates in any conflict should be viewed as having a “better” or as good a service then one who spends consecutive tours in conflict? Most people don’t agree with that. For most people, including military people, service comes down to sacrifice. However, that’s not the way we look at race or gender. Most people believe that a person should not be viewed as being qualified by his or her race and in most cases his or her gender.

Quote:
Originally posted by WhoDied:
In any case, the whole basis of this reasoning seems fallacious. Like: Service equals Citizenship!! (But more so for Razak's Roughnecks...)

No one is saying that.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KIRKULES

Friday, August 29, 2008 10:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
We're critisizing the McCain campaign for his fairly transparent strategy.

Especially since it looks like this was less McCain's choice, and more Rove's.

Can't disagree that the strategy is transparent and pandering to women, but it can be both and still be an excellent move. I think the McCain campaign savors the idea of the Dem's attacking Palin for her experience level because that will give them an opportunity to contrast her experience with Obama, not Biden. The McCain campaign should welcome all attacks on Palin because every time they attack a few more Hillary voters will move to McCain.

Your wrong about this being Rove's pick, it was Rush Limbaugh all the way.

WHODIED

Friday, August 29, 2008 10:38 PM

Maybe. McCain was in a plane, Kerry was in a boat. Getting shot down doesn't seem to elevate the quality of the service to me. I imagine that plane is pretty safe--as long as you don't get shot. Isn't that true of the boat as well?

(Cheap shot coming.)

And it's not as if Kerry went A.W.O.L. from some uber-kushy party post...

(End cheap shot, mostly.)

Shouldn't we be glad Kerry didn't "see action", and hope that for all our wealthy, political scions who join the armed forces and actually go over there?

--WhoDied

_______________________

All those secrets you've been concealing
Say you're happy now...

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 10:42 PM

Quote:
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders

I have never heard such unmitigated balderdash in my whole life! (Except from PN, but he's in a class by himself.)

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 10:47 PM

Quote:
For most people, including military people, service comes down to sacrifice.

Obviously, you never heard Patton on the topic.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

KWICKO

Friday, August 29, 2008 10:49 PM

Quote:

So you think that a person who joins the Air Guard and never participates in any conflict should be viewed as having a “better” or as good a service then one who spends... tours in conflict? Most people don’t agree with that.

Most people don't agree with that? Certainly ALL Republicans agree with that, since that's EXACTLY what they said in 2004. They tried to sell the load of crap that Bush had "military experience", and denigrated Kerry's service at every opportunity. In other words, they viewed a person who joined the Air Guard (but didn't complete his service, going AWOL and then deserting his post) as having a "better" service record than one who actually WENT TO VIET NAM.

For the record, my dad went to 'Nam, too. There's a drawer full of medals that he wouldn't talk about, but he was never captured and never surrendered. Would that make him more qualified to be President than McCane?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 29, 2008 10:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WhoDied:
Maybe. McCain was in a plane, Kerry was in a boat. Getting shot down doesn't seem to elevate the quality of the service to me. I imagine that plane is pretty safe--as long as you don't get shot. Isn't that true of the boat as well?

Probably not. Crashing in a plane tends to be more dangerous and sinking in a boat. However, you can rationalize it however you want, but you’re not going to many people, aside from partisan hacks, to see Kerry’s sacrifice for his country as superior or even equivalent to McCain’s.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 10:59 PM

Personally, I'd look pretty closely at someone who went through a Vietnam POW experience. I've known several Vietnam vets who saw heavy action and they tend to have dented personalities: twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile. Not exactly someone I'd want to answer a 3 AM phone call!

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 29, 2008 11:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders
I have never heard such unmitigated balderdash in my whole life!

IYO.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 29, 2008 11:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

So you think that a person who joins the Air Guard and never participates in any conflict should be viewed as having a “better” or as good a service then one who spends... tours in conflict? Most people don’t agree with that.

Most people don't agree with that? Certainly ALL Republicans agree with that, since that's EXACTLY what they said in 2004. They tried to sell the load of crap that Bush had "military experience", and denigrated Kerry's service at every opportunity. In other words, they viewed a person who joined the Air Guard (but didn't complete his service, going AWOL and then deserting his post) as having a "better" service record than one who actually WENT TO VIET NAM.

First of all, Bush did have military experience. Secondly, Bush was never AWOL. Thirdly, the opinions you ascribe to “ALL Republicans” are categorically false. MANY Republicans, including myself, felt that Kerry’s behavior following the war was dishonorable, but MOST Republicans did not denigrate his service during the war, including myself.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SIGNYM

Friday, August 29, 2008 11:28 PM

Watch Finn ignore my question. (heh heh heh)

What did Kerry do after the war that was considered so dishonorable?

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

ANTHONYT

Friday, August 29, 2008 11:38 PM

Hello,

Here's what I've learned about Palin:

She has a history of fighting government corruption and pork barrel spending. (Did you know she helped put the brakes on that bridge to nowhere?) She also voted to give same sex couples the right to various benefits they were going to be excluded from, which is unnusual for a Republican. She hunts and fishes, and is a strong supporter of the 2nd ammendmend. She seems (so far) like the sort of person who sticks to her ideals, even when they are inconvenient, as is evident by her election to proceed with a pregnancy even though she knew the child would have Down's Syndrome. If for some reason Mccain was to win the presidency, I'd be all right if health reasons forced her to step up. Even with her limited experience and divergence from me on abortion issues, I like her more than the Presidential nominee.

That having been said, she's not the number one. Mccain is. And like Mr. Burns, he may live forever. I don't like Mccain much, so no matter what I think of her (so far) choosing him would be a bad idea.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:24 AM

Fantastic choice. She's the ultimate outsider. No spoiled rich fraternity punk who bought his way into an Ivy League school, partied on daddy's yacht during spring break and got a 6 figure salary right out of school. She's a REAL American, loves the outdoors, member of the NRA, married her HS sweetheart.

McCain just won the election. Game over !

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KWICKO

Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:43 AM

Quote:
McCain just won the election. Game over !

We'll see...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KWICKO

Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:45 AM

Quote:
No spoiled rich fraternity punk who bought his way into an Ivy League school, partied on daddy's yacht during spring break...

Why must you hate Bush so much?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

RUE

Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
It would be easier to understand you if you used English better. Or thought better. Or were smarter.

Thanks for that Rue. Oh by the way, do you have anything topical to say or have you reverted to trolling already?

I was pointing out the poor English (mixing past and present), the illogic (comparing apples and orbits), and the general poor quality of the posts. I could have gone on at length, but brevity is better.

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GEEZER

Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Wasn't McCain's choice, apparently he wanted Lieberman (another WTF!? choice), but he was overruled by Rove and the other powers-that-be.

Cite?

I see a bit of conjecture on some of the less reliable sites, but nothing to support such an assertion. Maybe I missed it?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:48 AM

[Purely partisan snark]

Didn't see this myself, but I heard a half-dozen people point it out: McCain, while staring at Palin's *ss, kept twirling his wedding ring.

Hmm... I guess that lobbyist he's been boinking is on the way out!

[/Purely partisan snark]

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

KWICKO

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:53 AM

Well, Signy, she is kind of hot, in a Peggy Hill kind of way...

Mike

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
No spoiled rich fraternity punk who bought his way into an Ivy League school, partied on daddy's yacht during spring break...

Why must you hate Bush so much?

I was thinking more along the lines of Kerry, Kennedy, Rockefeller, The top 3 wealthiest US Senators are in fact, Democrats.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KWICKO

Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:38 AM

Quote:

I was thinking more along the lines of Kerry, Kennedy, Rockefeller, The top 3 wealthiest US Senators are in fact, Democrats.

Ahhhh... so Bush DIDN'T buy his way into an Ivy League school? He WASN'T a fraternity punk? He DIDN'T party on daddy's yacht on Spring Break?

Or was it just different when he did it?

And what is it you have against the rich?

Or do you just hate the rich when they're Democrats?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

KIRKULES

Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fantastic choice. She's the ultimate outsider.

McCain just won the election. Game over !

This was my first reaction also. I did'nt think McCain had the balls to do it, but maybe I've underestimated him. I kind of expected him to run his campaign like 2000 and then whine like a little girl when Obama goes dirty on him, like he did with Bush back then.

GEEZER

Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I've known several Vietnam vets who saw heavy action and they tend to have dented personalities: twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile. Not exactly someone I'd want to answer a 3 AM phone call!

So you were no doubt relieved when John Kerry didn't get elected, right?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

WHOZIT

Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:19 PM

I do'nt know weather to laff or get pissed, watching the left wing spin dotors studder there way thru an explaination of how God awful Gov, Palin is. It's time for MSNBC to just sign off for good.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Ahhhh... so Bush DIDN'T buy his way into an Ivy League school? He WASN'T a fraternity punk? He DIDN'T party on daddy's yacht on Spring Break?

Or was it just different when he did it?

And what is it you have against the rich?

Or do you just hate the rich when they're Democrats?

Mike

Whether Bush falls in line w/ that crowd or not, it's clear that many on BOTH sides of the aisle want change, and want something else besides what's become a cookie - cutter type candidate for higher office. Say Bush IS among those I listed, all the more reason for honest, sincere folk to look at the McCain / Palin ticket and see real change here. Biden? Dude's been in D.C. for 35 FREAKING YEARS ! That's longer than many who post here have been alive! How's that gonna bring any change ? At least the GOP put experience up front, and has an eye for the future w/ their VP pick. The Dems have it upside down backwards.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RIVERLOVE

Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:40 PM

Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

WHOZIT

Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

Edwards and his penis want a $65,000 speaking fee, Source; www.drudgereport.com Who the hell wants to hear from him? The press has even bailed on his wife.

ANTHONYT

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:06 PM

Hello,

I've been disturbed that the press has put a dark cloud over his wife. I mean, being cheated on is a pretty horrible emotional event. Who would want it paraded on a national stage? I honestly believe that if Clinton could have kept it on the down low somehow, she would have. Unfortunately, she didn't get the choice.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

RIVERLOVE

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:26 PM

No matter how you look at the race, it's going to be very close. McCain made a "calculated" decision with his selection of a woman, but the Democrats "elected" minority Obama. That is an important differenece that will be a legitimate topic. JFK also made a calculated VP choice when he took LBJ; maybe they all do. Either way, the victors will make history.

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:27 PM

So Turdblossum picked the best candidate to help McCain take a dive.

That's the deal he did with the Demorats to avoid impeachment and arrest.

A Dan Quayle moment. What better way to keep Republicans from voting?

Notice how the media mafia censors the only REAL woman AND minority nominated for president - Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party.

She's adopted Ron Paul's nationalization of the private Federal Reserve Bank, wants Rummy to return $7-trillion stolen from Pentagon CAFR "pension" funds, stopped pedophile United Nations Dyncorp from kidnapping millions of sexslaves, plus 9/11 Truth.

McKinney was banned from the Demorat Con, and Ron Paul is banned from the Republicon Con.

For the shadow govt to pick a non-US citizen mulatto and a nobody woman is a symbolic way to show off the decapitation of USA. 9/11 was just the beginning of the terror...

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:34 PM

the bumper stickers are out....

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:16 PM

I think the people that Palin will appeal to are digusted Rebulican voters who can't let go of the policies that brought eight years of failure.

Basically, she's the ultimate "outsider" and McCain is a "maverick", and between them they sound like the Republican "ticket for change". It appeals to extreme frustration, an emotional vote, because if people want nothing else they want change. But Dems can win if they convince voters that McCain/ Palin is simply "Four More Years!" and the Dem ticket will create REAL change. "The economy" will stick most notably.

The other issue is the widespread electronic voting fraud that went on in the last two elections. A thin majority will create circumstances to "flip" the vote. It was done in six states last time, there's no reason why the Repubs wouldn't do it again this time. I'll bet the Dems are kicking themselves for being so weak-kneed on electronic vote fraud, as well they should!

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:18 PM

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it's clear that many on BOTH sides of the aisle want change, and want something else besides what's become a cookie - cutter type candidate for higher office. Say Bush IS among those I listed, all the more reason for honest, sincere folk to look at the McCain / Palin ticket and see real change here.

Ah, I just read Rapo's post. I rest my case.

Rapo- Why must you hate Bush so much?

If you've learned nothing else from the past few years of posting on this board, you should know by now that you're 100% wrong all of the time. McCain/ Palin is same old- same old.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:08 PM

Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background from MoveOn.org:

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She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.

Sheeple go Baaaaarack to sleep. Enjoy your global warming tax to United Nations Corp and another 50-million abortions, to make room for another 50-million illegal aliens.

One GREAT thing about Palin that no other governor in history can say, is Alaskan residents get PAID over $3,000/year to live in Alaska, funded by oil leases to British Petroleum (which exports most Alaskan oil to Commie China, Japan and Mexico).

That can be done in every state, and by the feds, if the crooks stopped looting $70-Trillion/year from CAFR "pension" funds.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5823209513192072459&ei=Voy5SN
biA5DuqwLwsMTqDA&q=cafr
www.cafrman.com
www.cafr1.com

What's the odds of Palin doing that as VP? ZERO.

The best female candidate, best black candidate (who is actually a US citizen), best anti-war candidate is Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party. And she has a female VP.
http://votetruth08.com

EMBERS

Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:19 PM

I think McCain's choice speaks to self confidence :

Obama knows he has a brilliant mind with good understanding, so he feels comfortable picking a really smart experienced guy, knowing that even with all of Biden's gifts he won't outshine him...
But McCain is worried that any other candidate for VP was going to make him look like an idiot... so he picked the very stupidest person to make it into elective office!

Because Palin won't ever try to tell McCain what to do....

1. women who were thinking that McCain wouldn't overturn Roe v Wade now have had their noses rubbed in it!
2. environmentalists who thought McCain wouldn't be so bad, now have REALLY had their noses put out of joint!
3. and even economic conservatives are freaked out, because they wanted someone who would give McCain some economic credentials - a lot of them have even said publicly that they are offended by McCain picking this unqualified stupid woman.
4. but evangelicals are thrilled! Yay!
LOL

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=15816

GEEZER

Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The other issue is the widespread electronic voting fraud that went on in the last two elections.

And I'm sure you thank goodness for it. Otherwise you'd have had to live in fear of that "...twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile..." Vietnam vet Kerry in the White House.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:17 PM

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And I'm sure you thank goodness for it. Otherwise you'd have had to live in fear of that "...twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile..." Vietnam vet Kerry in the White House

Geezer, are you vying for Jackass of the Year award? I said I would look closely at vets who saw heavy action, not that I would disqualify one automatically. Kerry does not appear to have those problems. John McCain does. And you appear to have your own psychic twists, most notably that you and "the truth" seem to have a distant relationship, at best. IMHO that comes about from having to rationalize the irrational, and justify the unjustifiable. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just ask.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:48 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

What the hell are you smoking?

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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WHOZIT

Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:

the bumper stickers are out....

Terminator: The Sarah Palin Chronicals

WHOZIT

Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:

the bumper stickers are out....

Terminator: The Sarah Palin Chronicals

GEEZER

Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:31 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I said I would look closely at vets who saw heavy action, not that I would disqualify one automatically. Kerry does not appear to have those problems. John McCain does.

Actually, you said you'd look closely at someone who'd been in "...a Vietnam POW experience...". This wouldn't include Kerry, who was never a POW.

Then, with no mention of 'checking closely', you mentioned all the Vietnam vets you'd known who were 'twitchy', etc, pretty much tarring the whole body of vets with the same brush by describing them as "Not exactly someone I'd want to answer a 3 AM phone call!"

Why do I suspect you don't see Kerry as having PTSD problems because he's a Democrat?

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And you appear to have your own physcic twists, most notably that you and "the truth" seem to have a distant relationship, at best. IMHO that comes about from having to rationalize the irrational, and justify the unjustifiable. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just ask.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. If you get caught out in an obviously biased or just downright stupid statement, you first ignore questions about it, next try and change the meaning of what you said, and then start in with personal insults against the person who caught you out. See, no need to ask.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:11 PM

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If you get caught out in an obviously biased or just downright stupid statement, you first ignore questions about it, next try and change the meaning of what you said..

I'm not trying to change the menaing of what I said, and only you would portray it so.

I have no experience with Vietnam POWs directly. The closest I can come is my acquaintance with (1) children who have been in war (2) Viet Nam vets who saw heavy action, (3) POWs from other wars, (4) people who have been abused (either as children or adults) and (5) crime victims. In my experience all of these people were traumatized by their experience. Some of them recovered fully because the damage was slight. Some of them compensated in a productive way. Some of them continued to have problems sleeping, and be anxiety-ridden, hair-triggered, depressed or hostile.

I do not see that problem in Kerry, and I did look for it when he was running. An experience like that leaves marks. I believe that he came to grips with his Vietnam experience a long time ago. But I HAVE seen that problem with McCain, as when he called his wife a c*nt in front of a news conference. He is well-known for his temper and his gambling.

Okay, maybe he was always that way. I can point to people who were irritable and irrational from the day they were born. Or maybe he's just getting demented. But McCain hasn't been on an even keel for as long as I've seen him, and his experience as a POW does nothing to esnure that he's a sane, rational person. To me, it's more a problem than a plus.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

KWICKO

Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:12 PM

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Why do I suspect you don't see Kerry as having PTSD problems because he's a Democrat?

Why do I suspect that you don't see McCain as having problems because he's a Republican?

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If you get caught out in an obviously biased or just downright stupid statement, you first ignore questions about it, next try and change the meaning of what you said, and then start in with personal insults against the person who caught you out.

Whereas you just started with casting aspersions on someone's opinion and personal viewpoint - an attack that isn't any kind of "personal insult" at all!

In other words, you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

RIVERLOVE

Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

What the hell are you smoking?

Very intelligent post there sweetie. Better go back to knitting your Obama love sweater. You'll need it to keep you warm one day. I am honored though that you broke away from your busy day to insert your comment, even if it was is a juvenile attempt to marginalize my opinions.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

What the hell are you smoking?

Very intelligent post there sweetie. Better go back to knitting your Obama sweater. You'll need it to keep you warm one day.

Yes I know. Since I am, in fact, very intelligent - my posts would be as well. Question is, what do your posts say about you?

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

RIVERLOVE

Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:27 AM

I suppoose they say some things that upset you, and you feel compelled to ignore it, but you can't. So just go piss up a rope.

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