South Ossetia: Defense against ethnic cleansing, or invasion? (Turns out, Georgia fired missiles first. it was self defense)
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It's true, there can be no moral equivalence between Georgia and Iraq.
But I do remember thinking as it became clear that charges of Iraqi WMDs had been exaggerated, that invasion under the circumstances was setting an ugly precedent.
Heads should roll
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Really? Where was the Chapter 7 resolutions against Georgia? I can’t even remember there being any Chapter 6 resolutions against Georgia. According to United Nations Law, Georgia has done absolutely nothing to warrant invasion at all.
Where was UN support for the invasion of Iraq? Oh, that's right, there wasn't any, the security council voted no. Just because you buy our excuses, but not theirs, doesn't mean that they do the same, or even that ours are really any better.
Both the Invasion of Iraq and the Invasion of Georgia were undertaken as unilateral and illegitimate invasions of another countries sovereign territory. Russia has, arguably, more of an excuse to invade Georgia, because they are on the same continent, and share a common border. Iraq, on the other hand, is thousands of miles away from the US, on another continent on the other side of the world. An argument for Iraq being in the US's field of influence and interest is far flimsier than that of Georgia being under Russia's, especially now you've unilaterally declared that oil is no longer a valid excuse for influence.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Quote:Twelve years of UN Chapter 7 Resolutions and so many sanctions that it created a whole bureaucracy within the UN just to deal with Iraq. Where was that for Georgia? Oh, that’s right, there wasn’t any.
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Really? Where was the Chapter 7 resolutions against Georgia? I can’t even remember there being any Chapter 6 resolutions against Georgia. According to United Nations Law, Georgia has done absolutely nothing to warrant invasion at all.
Where was UN support for the invasion of Iraq? Oh, that's right, there wasn't any, the security council voted no. Just because you buy our excuses, but not theirs, doesn't mean that they do the same, or even that ours are really any better.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Wait, uhhhh...you want to use UN resolutions as the ticket to an invasion of Iraq, but want to ignore that the UN didn't give the go ahead for it....? See- that's the 'have your cake & eat it too' mentality here...cherry picking to suit 'the cause'. I mean, SEVERE cherry pickin'.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Where was the Chapter 7 resolutions against Georgia? I can’t even remember there being any Chapter 6 resolutions against Georgia. According to United Nations Law, Georgia has done absolutely nothing to warrant invasion at all.
isall
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Quote:So the UN is an inept bureaucracy? So why are their Resolutions so important then?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Twelve years of UN Chapter 7 Resolutions and so many sanctions that it created a whole bureaucracy within the UN just to deal with Iraq. Where was that for Georgia? Oh, that’s right, there wasn’t any.
Your whole reasoning for the war just fell apart for me, Finn. Seriously, YOU can't see the logical fallacy in this series of statements?
IF: UN Resolutions important
THEN: UN voting no to invasion is not
Signy's magic eightball says: Try Again.
isall
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Quote:The UN decided not to follow it’s own laws because key members of the UNSC were bought off by Hussein. That’s a problem, I agree, but curruption within the system is nothing new. But it doesn’t change the fact that the UN applied Chapter 7 resolution after Chapter 7 resolution to Iraq, until finally two key members of the UN decided to act on the law the UN as a whole refused to act on itself. If you make a law that says murder is illegal, but refuse to act on it, eventually someone’s going to get tired of murderers, whether the law as a whole will do anything about it or not.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Wait, uhhhh...you want to use UN resolutions as the ticket to an invasion of Iraq, but want to ignore that the UN didn't give the go ahead for it....? See- that's the 'have your cake & eat it too' mentality here...cherry picking to suit 'the cause'. I mean, SEVERE cherry pickin'.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Where was the Chapter 7 resolutions against Georgia? I can’t even remember there being any Chapter 6 resolutions against Georgia. According to United Nations Law, Georgia has done absolutely nothing to warrant invasion at all.
But in the case of Georgia, there was no resolution, there was no debate, there was no seeking law to define the issue--it was just Russia practicing Soviet-Era politics.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Can you? Because so many of you threw fits about how important the UN is in justification for the Iraq war, but when Russia invades another nation on the fly, the UN is completely irrelevant to you.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:So the UN is an inept bureaucracy? So why are their Resolutions so important then?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Twelve years of UN Chapter 7 Resolutions and so many sanctions that it created a whole bureaucracy within the UN just to deal with Iraq. Where was that for Georgia? Oh, that’s right, there wasn’t any.
Your whole reasoning for the war just fell apart for me, Finn. Seriously, YOU can't see the logical fallacy in this series of statements?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:The security council voted what Finn?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Twelve years of UN Chapter 7 Resolutions and so many sanctions that it created a whole bureaucracy within the UN just to deal with Iraq. Where was that for Georgia? Oh, that’s right, there wasn’t any.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:The security council voted what Finn?
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Twelve years of UN Chapter 7 Resolutions and so many sanctions that it created a whole bureaucracy within the UN just to deal with Iraq. Where was that for Georgia? Oh, that’s right, there wasn’t any.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Where was UN support for the invasion of Iraq? Oh, that's right, there wasn't any, the security council voted no. Just because you buy our excuses, but not theirs, doesn't mean that they do the same, or even that ours are really any better.
17 Chapter 7 Resolutions over 12 years.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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Quote:A) Who said the UN was irrelevent?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Can you? Because so many of you threw fits about how important the UN is in justification for the Iraq war, but when Russia invades another nation on the fly, the UN is completely irrelevant to you.
B) Nice diversion from the argument at hand.
EDIT: C) "eventually someone’s going to get tired of murderers" Advocating vigilantism now?
Chrisisall
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