Republican Revolution
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 26, 2026 12:23
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
so picking that moment for the Republicans to "rebel" seems a bit contrived and meaningless.
First of all, you can't rebel against the ending of the session until the session ends.
Second, from all accounts the rebellion was largely spontanious. It began as a simple bit of after-session speech making...along the line of the after-hours one-minute speeches they usually do. The Speaker responded by shutting off the lights and microphones. That heavy-handed move sparked the Republican outrage. The Speaker responded by sending in the Capital Police to clear the Gallery and shoo away reporters...which prompted the all-out Rebellion seen late in the day on Friday.
Pelosi can't 'allow this vote' after all she said she would not allow it because she's 'saving the planet'.
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Seems like this "revolution" is too inane even for the White House:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-house-says-no-to-special-ses
sion-of-congress-2008-08-04.html
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I note for the record the no other form of the classic Federalsists has existed
issat so ?
Then perhaps you can explain exactly where the PNAC/CleanBreak/Neocon agenda is one whit different than that of the Federalists under Adams, ehe ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party
a New Progressive Era or Neocon fascist dictatorship?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/TAR410A.html
When the Federalist party originally shattered, fragments of it went everywhere, Tammany Hall wasn't originally the scourge of Democrat pulchritude it eventually came to be, and during the civil war era there were some very radical shifts in both parties - but in essence, those Federalist-Republican-Whig-Republican-Neocon sumbitches can easily be traced right back to their original Federalist roots.
People tend to overfocus on the tactics and means, instead of the end point intentions, and once you have clarified those, you might start realising why I consider most Modern Republicans, and especially the Neocons, to be Federalists, and why I consider most Modern Democrats to be, in effect, National Socialists.
Ain't how they do it so much as what they intend to accomplish that should concern folk, cause it sure concerns me as I dislike either one of those end points.
Course, I am rather fond of a third option that involves a damn lotta rope, myself.
Tarletons Quarter, as I said.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Then perhaps you can explain exactly where the PNAC/CleanBreak/Neocon agenda is one whit different than that of the Federalists under Adams, ehe ?
For one thing ONAC/CleanBreak/Neocon's are imaginative constructs representing what Liberals THINK of Conservatives. Its like the how the Republicans were written into episodes of West Wing by Liberal writers with no real understanding of their subject matter.
But if you want to know how modern Republicans differ from Adams' Federalists:
1. Like Jefferson and the D-R's, we believe in fighting Islamic extremism (damn the Barbury Pirates).
2. We favor drilling for oil. Federalists were in favor of horses.
3. We favor collective security...Federalists didn't want foriegn alliances.
4. We favor freeing the slaves.
5. We oppose tariffs.
6. Not one powdered whig and no wooden teeth at the Convention.
7. We favor a ballistic missile defense.
8. We have Senators from places like Alaska.
9. We like Jefferson.
10. We oppose Whiskey taxes (and taxes in general).
11. We lack control or sympathy of the mainstream press (Federalists controlled roughly twice as many newspapers as the D-Rs in 1800).
12. We would NEVER run a New Englander for President.
13. We oppose undeclared quasi-wars against French shipping.
14. We have never jailed opposition media persons for being critical of the administration (heck, we don't have enough jails for that).
15. We look favorably upon the War of 1812.
16. Not one Federalist ever supported an Air Force Appropriation Bill and had no interest in the Space Program.
17. The Federalists never use the internet.
18. Rush Limbaugh
19. We support the Louisiana Purchase.
20. The Federalists never said one nice thing about Ronald Reagan.
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Quote:Taking Rush Limbo seriously is the first real step towards the NeoCon Side.
Originally posted by Hero:
18. Rush Limbaugh
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Quote:Some would say it's the only step.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Taking Rush Limbo seriously is the first real step towards the NeoCon Side.
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Originally posted by Khyron:Quote:Some would say it's the only step.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Taking Rush Limbo seriously is the first real step towards the NeoCon Side.
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ONAC/CleanBreak/Neocon's are imaginative constructs...
Careful there Zero, you're starting to actually believe the delusions you're paid to spout, and that's not a good sign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
As for your points...
1. Except when financing it, or do I need to point out again WHERE Saddam and Osama got the money and weapons that rocketed them (pun intended) to power ?
2. Actually they wanted Tea, but not at British Cartel prices...
3. NeoCons don't want alliances, they want domination, and so did the Federalists.
4. Oh really, you DO know Lincoln tried to introduce an amendment to Constitutionally protect slavery, right ?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo104.html
5. Oh yeah ? Morrill Tarriff anyone ? and WHAT party was Morrill ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff
6. Untrue, George Washington, proud possessor of both, presided over the original Constitutional Convention.
7. And the Federalists, every bit as fond of funding the Mil-Industry Complex, bought a bunch of unnecessary Frigates for coastal defense.
8. They had a nutter from France named Ben.
9. I highly doubt that, since he despised Nationalist Banking, HATED corporatism, considered stacking the bench a grave sin against our nation, and considered dissent and occasional revolts downright patriotic.
10. But love debts as much as Adams and Hamilton, which drive us into cycles of ruin - postponing the payback via deficits does not eliminate it.
11. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - you assholes have had a downright lock on the mainstream press since Adams, and it goes right down the line to Hearst, Sinclair and Murdoch/Ailes.
12. Excuse me, but Shrub is in fact, a New Englander, fake cowboy attitude and accent aside.
13. But not undeclared quasi wars in third world countries for the benefit of corporations, how is this better ?
14. BULLSHIT, Adams did it, Lincoln was downright fond of the practice.
(I will say in your defense that Wilson did it too, the prick.)
15. That does not exactly count in your favor.
16. Maybe not technically, but they WERE interested, as the first balloon flight in America was launched in Philadelphia on January 9, 1793.
17. Committees of correspondence WERE the internet back then.
18. Alexander Hamilton (I STILL think Burr did us all a favor, mind you)
19. Oh and the Federalists weren't greedy landgrabbers themselves ?
20. No, they just spawned his idiotic trickle-down legacy, better termed "make US rich and maybe we'll share.."
As usual, you make it all too easy, don't tell me yer starting to believe this crap yourself ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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SuperFrem, able to disintegrate monolithic heaps of bullsh*t with a single post!
LexHero stands no chance!isall
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Gotta hand it to you Frem. You have waaaay more patience and kowledge on this one!
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