Republican Revolution
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 26, 2026 12:23
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I ain't partisan, Rap - I hate EVERYBODY who wants to stick their grimy little fingers in my life or business.
But right now, the Republican party as a whole in combination with the Religous Right is the closest and primary threat to me via real world proximity and the fact that they're on the top of heap political power wise.
Ergo, they're target number 1.
Remember, I hated Clintons guts too... fuckin NAFTA...
-Frem
Last I checked, the Religious Right, a mere subset of the Republicans, weren't in power in either the House OR the Senate, so I fail to see how the GOP is " on the top of the (sic) heap, political power wise " . I'll grant you the presence of over bearing religious power interfering w/ our lives...here in GA, I can't buy beer on Sunday, unless I do so at a bar which serves food. It's not enough that we have to wait until noon, but we are FORBIDDEN to buy beer at ALL in the grocery or liquor store on Sunday. That's reserved for God, ya know.
But even w/ that, I think you're overlooking the dangers the Left poses w/ their 'carbon credits ' talk and the hysteria being driven w/ global warming. We're gonna be forced to used " energy saving " fluorescent light bulbs, which are chock full of mercury. Break one of those and you're required to call for a HAZ MAT team come to your home or business and sterilize the entire area. That's no joke, either!
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"The problem with the bulbs is that they'll break before they get to the landfill. They'll break in containers, or they'll break in a dumpster or they'll break in the trucks. Workers may be exposed to very high levels of mercury when that happens," says John Skinner, executive director of the Solid Waste Association of North America, the trade group for the people who handle trash and recycling.
Skinner says when bulbs break near homes, they can contaminate the soil.
Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, and it's especially dangerous for children and fetuses. Most exposure to mercury comes from eating fish contaminated with mercury,
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7431198
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Oh I am well aware - did you miss the post where I discussed taking half a day to find out where and how to properly dispose of four used ones simple cause I didn't want that mercury to wind up in my local lake which provides a percentage of my drinking water ?
The enviro types should be appealing to folks common sense, CONVINCING them instead of trying to force them, especially on stuff they seem to have not thought all the way through in advance.
The basic concept of not junking up your living space needs no more hysteria and bullshit to put across than the concept of smoking being bad for you - and by pushing it with bullshit and hysteria, they actually harm their own cause.
That said, I am quite overprotective of our lake, but I see that as an act of self-defense as much as environmentalism.
-Frem
BTW - You really should read that book I mentioned, I think you'd like it, and during the story some of the really bad ideas from the liberal side of the political spectrum get taken to their natural conclusion and it ain't pretty.
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Originally posted by 1eyedcat:
Revolution?! You mean COUNTERrevolution. Republicans oppose every social advance since the Enlightenment, including democracy and any attempt to fairly distribute society's resources. They would happily take us back to the days monarchy and religious superstition.
Wow, somebody needs to buy a history book.
The Republican AND Democratic Parties were born from the Anti-Federalists. They are the kind folks who, among other things, invented the Bill of Rights.
The Republicans were reborn in the 1850's again as the party of liberty...which meant freeing the slaves.
You must be confusing Liberals and Conservatives. Its a common mistake to assume that what was liberal and conservative in 1776 differed from 1860 and 2008. For example, liberal Republican radicals defeated conservative Democrats in the 1860 election. Liberal Democratic-Republicans defeated conservative Federalists in 1800. The thing about Republicans is that their views on liberty and economy have remained very consistant since their inception. In 1800 those views were liberal...now they are conservative.
I note for the record that it is the Democrats turning off the cameras on debate. I can't recall a Republican speaker EVER cutting off the cameras (except when discussing national security issues in closed session).
I the Democrats took power would they end free speech for conservatives. We know they are trying to revive the "Fairness Doctrine". Political Correctness has always been about suppressing free speech. This is their track record now. Pelosi showed their true colors.
H
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I love how these Republicans got so brave AFTER Nancy Pelosi and gang left. What a bunch of little twerps and gutless jamokes.
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Barry Goldwater, we need you now...
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Oh THAT shoveljob isn't gonna fly, Zero.
You can play on the historical ignorance of others, but not with me you can't.
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AntiFederalists -> Country Party -> Democratic-Republican -> Democrats.
Federalists -> National Republicans -> Whig.
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----------------Old Republicans -> Modern Republicans.
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That's fairly simplified, but in essence, belief and action, the current crop of Republicans is the direct offspring of John Adams fucking Federalists, and their agenda was quite clear from the start, whatever bullshit they spouted during the conventions, as their subsequent actions proved, causing three revolts[1], cursing us with the very first attempt at something resembling the Patriot Act[2], dismissing State Sovereignity and looting the citizens to fund profitable military adventures - that came to cases and was one of the long brewing causes of the civil war, and it continued afterwords especially towards third world countries[3], and at one point damn near sparked a fascist coup[4] here in the USA.
These dickheads have been pushing a totalarian militarized police state from the very start, it's always been their agenda from day one - they didn't wanna break from the crown and give power to the people, they wanted a new crown, for themselves, and when they didn't get that, worked towards a variant feudalism which has eventually spawned the current tremendously exploitive relationship between corporation and servant-peon employee paying additional largess to the nobles (congress, via taxes).
Make no mistake, they WANTED a feudal system from the start, and it's one long chain of historical usurpations, abuses and bad actors from Shrub all the way back to that fucker Adams.
"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging the future but by the past."
-Patrick Henry.
He KNEW better than to trust the crown, given it's history of action towards us, and for the same reason be damned if imma trust the Republican party given their own.
That's not to say the Democrats are much better, given that what they have evolved into would turn any decent AntiFederalists stomach just as quickly.
But shovelling the load that todays Republicans are IN ANY WAY traceable back to the AntiFederalists is ridiculous, given that most of them, given a choice, would have sold us out to King George without certain rabble rousers and future AntiFederalists kicking their support for that idea out from under them.
Damn Purplebellies, all of em - the only AntiFederalist worth the name is Ron Paul, whom you, lets face it, dude... wholeheartedly despise.
-Frem
[1] Shays Rebellion, Fries Rebellion, Whiskey Rebellion.
And what do all three have in common, eh ?
[2]The Alien and Sedition Act, remembered historically as a monstrosity, as will be our current insanity as well.
[3]Smedley Butler - War is a Racket, See Also: United Fruit.
[4]The Business Plot, many of the instigators tie politically and often by direct relation, to the original Federalists.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I love how these Republicans got so brave AFTER Nancy Pelosi and gang left. What a bunch of little twerps and gutless jamokes.
As a liberal, I'd love to agree with you and slap you on the back.
But as a realist, all I can say is, that alone would make them braver than Pelosi & Company, who've never shown a single iota of bravery, either before or since the Democrats became the majority party in the House and Senate.
I don't think it's asking too much of Congress to ask - or DEMAND - that they stand up to this President and this Administration and back them off from their unholy power grab. The President has as much power as the Constitution gives him - but that won't stop any of them from trying to grab all they can. And it's the duty of CONGRESS to stop the President from doing that. In that, they've failed, mightily.
E (TCB)
If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I love how these Republicans got so brave AFTER Nancy Pelosi and gang left. What a bunch of little twerps and gutless jamokes.
Prior to the ending of the session the House was operating under the standard House rules...in other words the debate was strictly controlled by Pelosi. It was not until Pelosi adjourned the House and left that the Republicans could give voice to their side of the debate.
I note for the record that with over 70% of the country favoring the Republican position many Democrats were starting to show signs of defecting. This led Pelosi to end the session several days early rather then risk a vote on this issue. Thats the finest Democratic tradition. Not voting because they might lose (remember the Judges).
H
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
AntiFederalists -> Country Party -> Democratic-Republican -> Democrats.
Federalists -> National Republicans -> Whig.
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----------------Old Republicans -> Modern Republicans.
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That's fairly simplified
Yeah, simplified and completely wrong. The Federalists ceased to exist, thus had no direct decendents. That does not mean the interests they represented ceased to exist. However, for many years there was only ONE party.
The Whigs represented northern business interests, banking, etc. That constituency was too narrow and collapsed. The Republicans came along later as a radical religeous movement...a single-issue fringe party that grew to take Congress and the Presidency in only ten years as northern Democrats, abolishonists (at the time the religeous Left...now the Right), and defunct Whigs joined together...
The Democrats emerged from the partial collapse of the Democratic Republicans and have existed in some form since the D-Rs first came into existence.
I note for the record the no other form of the classic Federalsists has existed...there was no need. The Federalists both won and lost their debate (in other words the national consensus became a strong but limited Federal govt with supreme but narrow authority)...the relationship between the Federal and State governments is no longer the issue it was in 1789. Its largely left the political arena and become a judicial matter (at least for practicle purposes).
H
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I love how these Republicans got so brave AFTER Nancy Pelosi and gang left. What a bunch of little twerps and gutless jamokes.
Prior to the ending of the session the House was operating under the standard House rules...in other words the debate was strictly controlled by Pelosi. It was not until Pelosi adjourned the House and left that the Republicans could give voice to their side of the debate.
I note for the record that with over 70% of the country favoring the Republican position many Democrats were starting to show signs of defecting. This led Pelosi to end the session several days early rather then risk a vote on this issue. Thats the finest Democratic tradition. Not voting because they might lose (remember the Judges).H
I understand what happened last week. Pelosi was not going to allow a vote on the floor no matter how long they stayed in session, so picking that moment for the Republicans to "rebel" seems a bit contrived and meaningless. Over the w/e Obama seemed to be changing his tune about drilling. I bet Pelosi comes back after recess and allows a vote. If she won't, she'll be handing McCain a great gift.
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