Right Wing Hero Shoots Up Liberal Church
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UPDATED: Thursday, August 14, 2008 03:08
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Quote:The numbers of wars goes to Clinton...
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Clinton started more wars then Bush.
But.
Who wins for the most peeps killed.....???
See my pointisall
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Quote:Of course, that’s the way you see it. People always see ideas they sympathize with as the underdogs justified in their action because of the need for balance. This is the same argument that terrorists use to justify targeting innocent civilians. You need to learn to see it more objectively and you’ll realize that neither the Left nor the Right is hurting for wealth in this country.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:But not influential enough to stop unnecessary wars, I guess.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
MoveOn.org completely refutes the idea that the Left doesn't have wealth enough to be influential.
Dude, the way I see it, things like MoveOn just bring the overall balance back to the center
Quote:So you think anyone who didn’t like Hussein’s Iraq is on “Rightyville?” This of course places the vast majority of the country include almost all Democrats in Rightyville. It was Clinton’s administration that made regime change in Iraq American Law. One interpretation of what your saying is that the “Right” has the balls to do what the “Left” only talks about, though I’m not entirely sure that’s necessarily true, that’s basically what your saying.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
......look at the whole demonizing of Iraq- NO "left" mainstream media challenge then, just yeah baby, he needs to be stopped (from, y'know, something)!!!!
Stop staring a the individual trees for a moment Finn, and look where we are. It's been Rightyville for a long time now.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I’m pretty sure neither Bush or Clinton killed anyone, but if you’re referring to casualties, it would be a lot closer then you think. Despite the fact the Clinton never actually committed to winning any of the wars he started, he still has comparable casualties.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:The numbers of wars goes to Clinton...
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Clinton started more wars then Bush.
But.
Who wins for the most peeps killed.....???
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
James was echoing a common distortion of U.S. military death figures by conservative pundits who misleadingly have compared combat deaths under the Bush administration to all military deaths -- combat and noncombat -- under the Clinton administration.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.
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So what you're saying, Finn, is the Clinton was Dr. Horrible, and Bush Is Captain Hammer.
I can hover with that.
Agreeing Chrisisall
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http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/military-deaths.htm
Quote:
Summary of the eRumor:
The forwarded email lists year-by-year statistics of military deaths from 1980 through 2006 and concludes that there were more deaths during the years of the presidency of Bill Clinton, when there was no war, than during the years of George W. Bush when there was war in Iraq and conflict in Afghanistan.
The Truth:
Whoever assembled this eRumor claimed that it was based on statistics from the U.S. Government, but the figures in the eRumor do not match the figures in the actual government report it references.
The eRumor includes a link to the report, which was dated June 29, 2007, and prepared by the Congressional Research Service. It is titled American War and Military Operations Casualties: Lists and Statistics.
Whoever created this forwarded email exaggerated the death statistics from the Clinton years and reduced the actual numbers from the Bush years. The eRumor, for example. claims that there were more than 14,000 deaths during the Clinton presidency and a little more than 7,000 deaths during the presidency of George W. Bush. In reality the opposite is true. There were 7500 military deaths during the Clinton years and as of the date of the report, 8792 deaths during the Bush presidency.
Here is a comparison of what the email claims compared with with the government report actually says:
The doctored data were from the Clinton and George W. Bush years so that is the focus of this comparison. The discrepancies are in red:
Year eRumor
Figures Actual
Figures Presidency
1993 1213 1213 Clinton
1994 1075 1075 Clinton
1995 2465 1040 Clinton
1996 2318 974 Clinton
1997 817 817 Clinton
1998 2252 827 Clinton
1999 1984 796 Clinton
2000 1983 758 Clinton
Totals: 14107 7500
2001 890 891 George W. Bush
2002 1007 999 George W. Bush
2003 1410 1228 George W. Bush
2004 1887 1874 George W. Bush
2005 919 1942 George W. Bush
2006 920 1858 George W. Bush
Totals: 7033 8792
In other words, someone lied about the numbers.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Also, Clinton wasn't responsible for 40,000 maimed, brain-damaged or traumatized soldiers.
perspectiveisall
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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I'm not sure that I really want to respond to this thread or not. It caught my attention in a disturbing sort of way. I thought that it was one of those leader type things to garner attention. When I read through the responses, it made me sadder and sadder. While I love Firefly and the Firefly fans overall and at first found meandering through the threads stimulating, more and more it just makes me sad. It seems that we are so attracted to these horrible incidents, the very worst in our human nature, like the proverbial moth to the flame. I think perhaps it is killing us. The bombardments and hateful diatribes, no matter if it's so called right or left are disgusting and appear to bring out the worst in us. It seems to me that there are so many, many things on which we could and should be focussing our attention, our passion, our thoughts and our marvenlous, brilliant ingenuity, for the life of me, I can't figure out why we choose to wallow in this type of muck.
I probably won't wander back here for some time, not because I think I'm any better than anyone else, but because I just get too depressed when I read these kinds of threads.
Siri
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Siri:
Try not to take it too much to heart. This is where we come to blow off steam. On most of the other areas of this site, we can be quite cordial to each other, even if in here we seem like we'd like to tear each other's arms off and beat them to death with them.
And sometimes we actually make each other laugh with some of our silliness.
Mike
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Siri
stay out of Real World Events. These people are crazy and I believe that some of them may have cooties.
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