Right Wing Hero Shoots Up Liberal Church
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Quote:That’s not true. The Right has no more ability to start wars then the Left. And the Left has considerable wealth and very capable to getting their message out. Many of the wealthiest people in this country are Liberals, while the Right is often motivated at a much more grassroots level. That’s part of the reason why the Left is able to form very powerful organizations like NOW and MoveOn.org. MoveOn.org is almost completely funded by a single individual - so there’s no possible way to claim that the Left doesn’t have considerable wealth.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Yeah, but it's a dog & pony show...the Left may be banning trans-fats (hey- Ahnult ain't of the Left) and raising awareness about global climate change, but the Right is where the old money is, hence the power as well.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You choose not to know it, because you don’t want to believe it, but the Left has considerable power in this country
The Left merely enjoys the ability to get the people behind rejecting the wars that the Right has THE POWER to start again and again, IMO.
So the left may have more voices, but they're little ones..........
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Finn! Moveon is NOT funded by a single person. It was started by two people who initally worked word-of-mouth, and then who created a website. The two people did NOT kick their net worth into Moveon. Moveon has raised tens of millions from SMALL donations. It does NOT have a foundation behind it. If you can't get your logic straight at least get your facts straight! They're too easy to look up!
MoveOn.org is almost completely funded by a single individual - so there’s no possible way to claim that the Left doesn’t have considerable wealth.
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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Quote:Okay- then the only other answer is that many of the Left AND the Right are really the 'men behind the curtains', in cahoots to rule the world from their shadow government...otherwise how could the likes of Bush & Cheney get away with so much?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
there’s no possible way to claim that the Left doesn’t have considerable wealth.
Power & profit trumps ideologyisall
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It's very heavily funded by some very wealthy individuals. This is what allows MoveOn.org to play a completely partisan roll. MoveOn.org completely refutes the idea that the Left doesn't have wealth enough to be influential.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:So...what? They just like doing it more?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s not true. The Right has no more ability to start wars then the Left.
isall
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Chris, the monyed fight is between "international capital" and "national capital". International capital likes things smooth. Wars are bad for trade. National capital likes war, that's where they make beaucoup bucks. Clinton was an internationalist. That's why he pushed so hard for NAFTA, CAFTA, and the DMCA. (For which I will never forgive him.) Cheney's net worth OTOH is tied to Halliburton.
The little people have no voice in the doings of the moneyed.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.
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Quote:You’ll have to talk to Mulder and Scully about that. A government conspiracy is not really necessary to explain your disagreement with the Bush Administration. Part of the problem here, I think, is that many of you want to use your disagreement with the current administration as an excuse to hate the Right, but the Bush administration is not the Right. Just because you disagree the current right-leaning (in some views) administration doesn’t make the Right full of powerful meanies and the Left full of voiceless nice people. There is plenty of power on both sides. Plenty of meanness and plenty of niceness on both sides.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Okay- then the only other answer is that many of the Left AND the Right are really the 'men behind the curtains', in cahoots to rule the world from their shadow government...otherwise how could the likes of Bush & Cheney get away with so much?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
there’s no possible way to claim that the Left doesn’t have considerable wealth.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Clinton started more wars then Bush.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:So...what? They just like doing it more?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s not true. The Right has no more ability to start wars then the Left.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:No, it isn't. Their operating costs come from donations, as does their PAC money. Two founders (Joan Blades, Wes Boyd) are wealthy (13 million between the two of them) but they do NOT fund Moveon. The third... Eli Pariser, who started an independent website and then joined forces with Moveon... was a dirt-poor student at the time. He also does not fund Moveon.
It's very heavily funded by some very wealthy individuals
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.
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Quote:But not influential enough to stop unnecessary wars, I guess.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
MoveOn.org completely refutes the idea that the Left doesn't have wealth enough to be influential.
Dude, the way I see it, things like MoveOn just bring the overall balance back to the center......look at the whole demonizing of Iraq- NO "left" mainstream media challenge then, just yeah baby, he needs to be stopped (from, y'know, something)!!!!
Stop staring a the individual trees for a moment Finn, and look where we are. It's been Rightyville for a long time now.
Crush, Kill, Destroyisall
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