Right Wing Hero Shoots Up Liberal Church
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UPDATED: Thursday, August 14, 2008 03:08
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Quote:Actually, I did both of those things. But this study doesn’t say what you pretend it does, so I guess that makes you the dishonest stupid dick.
Originally posted by rue:
You know Finn, you COULD have found the LATimes report - instead you chose to say it was a fabrication. You COULD have looked up the orginal source of the study http://www.cmpa.com/, instead you chose to say it was an LATimes invention.
You're such a stupid dick.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Rue:
You know Finn, you COULD have found the LATimes report - instead you chose to say it was a fabrication. You COULD have looked up the orginal source of the study http://www.cmpa.com/, instead you chose to say it was an LATimes invention.
Finn:
Actually, I did both of those things."
No, for the record THIS is what you said:
"Wow, you really have to be committed to the lie to say something like this, considering the flowery praise that has been thrown at Obama over the last several months, even considering that he associates himself with characters who would ruin any other mans political career."
And THIS
"Looks to me like yet another media story favorable to Barack Obama. And another Liberal buying it hook line and sinker."
In other words, claim 'liberal bias' where it's the opposite, and blame the 'liberal media' for the results of a study. Just like a dishonest stupid dick.
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Fact: la times is a media outlet
Fact: la times printed a story about how abused poor Obama was and how unjust "haters" (those who disagree with Obama) are.
My statement was factual. This is yet another media story favorable to Obama.
Fact: the Study you cited does not say the Networks were unfair to Obama, but rather they were neutral towards both candidates
Fact: where the study does conclude that Obama received more unfavorable coverage compared to McCain was in ventured opinions, not news. Which proves only that even liberal democrats can get sick of all the fuzzy feelings towards Obama.
Fact: None of this demonstrates the Left-wing Extremism isn't as common in the media as Right-wing extremism.
Fact: several studies have shown the coverage Democratic Presidents and candidates is more favorable in general then Republican. A point that I've made on this board and cited. A point which you ignored because it wasn't what you wanted to hear. A point which the LA times likely ignored as well. Similar studies have shown that Foxnews has a fairer coverage then any of the Networks.
This will be my last post to you, because I have no interest in trying to deal with your stupid dickness. And you certainly have no interest in any kind of intelligent discussion.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Oh good. Now I don't have to respond to lies.
Here's the REAL study, not what Finn made up.
MEDIA BASH BARACK (NOT A TYPO)
Study Finds Obama Faring Worse On TV News Than McCain
Barack Obama is getting more negative coverage than John McCain on TV network evening news shows, reversing Obama’s lead in good press during the primaries, according to a new study by Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA). The study also finds that a majority of both candidates’ coverage is unfavorable for the first time this year. According to CMPA President Dr. S. Robert Lichter, “Obama replaced McCain as the media’s favorite candidate after New Hampshire. But now the networks are voting no on both candidates.”
These results are from the Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) 2008 Election News Watch Project. They are based on a scientific content analysis of 249 election news stories (7 hours 38 minutes of airtime) that aired on ABC World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News, and Fox Special Report (first half hour) from June 8, 2008 to July 21, 2008. ... We report on all on-air evaluations of the candidates by sources and reporters, after excluding comments by the campaigns about each other.
(Comment - so, we've established that this content is in NEWS STORIES and voiced by sources AND REPORTERS, not in editorial commentary, as Finn so falsely claimed.)
MAJOR FINDINGS:
Since the primaries ended, on-air evaluations of Barack Obama have been 72% negative (vs. 28% positive). That’s worse than John McCain’s coverage, which has been 57% negative (vs. 43% positive) during the same time period.
This is a major turnaround since McCain and Obama emerged as front-runners in the early primaries. From the New Hampshire primary on January 8 until Hillary Clinton dropped out on June 7, Obama’s coverage was 62% positive (v. 38% negative) on the broadcast networks; by contrast, McCain’s coverage during this period was only 34% positive (v. 66% negative).
(Comment - this is not only expected but was predicted months back - the 'liberal media' was concentrating its attacks on the presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton as opposed to Obama ("Hillary Pilloried? On-air evaluations of Hillary Clinton were nearly 3 to 2 negative (42% positive 58% negative comments"), while giving McCain a free pass ("John McCain leads the Republican race for good press with 3 to 1 positive evaluations (73% positive v 27% negative)". If you compare McCain's negative to Hillary Clinton's, you'll see a decided slant in favor of the presumptive republican nominee v the presumptive democrat. In other words, the 'liberal media' was trying to bring down Hillary and boost McCain.)
Obama ran even farther behind McCain on Fox News Channel’s Special Report with 79% negative comments (v. 21% positive), compared to 61% negative comments (v. 39% positive) for McCain since June 8. During the primaries Obama had a slight lead in good press on Fox, with 52% favorable comments (v. 48 % unfavorable), compared to 48% favorable (v. 52% unfavorable) for McCain.
Obama’s bad press has come at a time when he was much more visible than McCain. Since June 8, he has been the subject of 120 stories on the three network evening news shows, 50% more than John McCain’s 80 stories.
(Comment - in other words, they are launching an intensive atttack on Obama.)
Examples of Obama’s evaluations:
Positive: “Obama came to Baghdad and he brought his star power with him…..hundreds of U.S. troops and State Department personnel mobbed Obama at the embassy here.” –Terry Moran, ABC
Negative: “You raised a lot of eyebrows on this trip saying, even knowing what you know now, you still would not have supported the surge. People may be scratching their heads and saying, ‘why’?” – Katie Couric, CBS
Negative: “Far more Americans say John McCain would be a good commander in chief than Obama” – Jake Tapper, ABC
CMPA has monitored every presidential election since 1988 using the same
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Finn, you're arguing the old ends-means point again, something about which you seem thoroughly inconsistent.
SO AFA extremism is concerned, is it OK to kill 100,000+ in order to steal their oil? How about to bring them "freedom"?
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Show me where. Please. Or are you just another one of the brain-dead parrots ?
Show you where??? You are clearly the one who's brain-dead if you don't know what the whole world knows. That's all that's been talked about since Obama and the Network anchors did their Sgt. Pepper tour around the world. And you know what Rue, you obtuse bitch, go fuck yourself. All you do is defend or deny the indefensible, and then you hurl insulting names at people. Kiss my ass!
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In other words, you got nothing. Again. Have a nice ... whatever.
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AnthonyT
I wasn't ignoring you, I was at work.
Some of the quotes I picked not b/c they're so hateful, but because they're really stupid. And many really are just plain hateful.
Rush Limbaugh
"Why should Blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares."
Sean Hannity
(to attorney Stanley Cohen) "Is it you hate this president or that you hate America?"
Bill O'Reilly
"Bill Moyers on PBS, he's -- hides behind the label of objectivity. He's about as objective as Mao Zedong, all right. I mean he's a Far-Left bomb-thrower who actually runs a foundation that funds left-wing organizations. I mean the guy's a joke. Get out of the news business, Bill."
Michael Savage
"And I think there should be no mercy shown to these sub-humans. I believe that a thousand of them should be killed tomorrow. I think a thousand of them held in the Iraqi prison should be given 24 hour -- a trial and executed."
Mike Gallagher
"I have two sources, both of whom wish to remain anonymous, that report to me that New York Times Editor Bill Keller was spotted in a dumpster last weekend in the Hamptons snorting crack cocaine and smothering a pair of cocker spaniel puppies with a pair of sweat socks. ...Of course this isn’t true – not that I know of, anyway – "
Dennis Prager
"The idea that you earn things - that you earn respect, that you earn income, responsibility. the vote, punishment... these ideas are anathema to the liberal mind."
Hugh Hewitt
"The United States Supreme Court Versus America: Awarding "The Privilege of Habeas Corpus To Terrorists""
Larry Elder
"In the last 1,000 years, the Arabs have translated as many books as Spain translates in just one year."
Ann Coulter
"Liberal soccer moms are precisely as likely to receive anthrax in the mail as to develop a capacity for linear thinking."
But I haven't finished my list, I still need to find quotes for
Lars Larson
Brit Hume
G Gordon Liddy
Dr. Laura Schlessinger
Michael Medved
George Will
Ollie North
Robert Novak
Tucker Carlson
Laura Ingrahamn
Peggy Noonan
William Safire
Andrew Sullivan
Bernard Goldberg
Bill Krystsol
David Frum
Brent Bozell
Charles Krauthammer
David Horowitz
Rupert Murdoch
Roger Ailes, Fred Barnes
William Bennett
Lawrence Kudlow
Steve Forbes
Dennis Miller
Matt Drudge
Byron York
where these kinds of quotes are just as endemic and easy to find.
Do you claim BTW that you're unaware that THIS is what passes for 'conservative' punditry ?
Really.
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Quote:
the reality is certain symbols start to stand for something, and from my vantage, republican punditry today is starting to stand for something hateful.
This, I think, is the salient point.
The meaning of symbols changes over time, look at the Swastika, originally a native american symbol for good fortune, and many years later due to it's association with National Socialism, seen as a symbol of pure evil.
I would say that the Republican Party is well on it's way for much the same reasons.
When people act under a symbol, they color that symbol with the intent and aftermath of their actions - and it takes a LOT of work to "clean the blood off" as it were.
For example, the Anarchists to this very day are often seen as bomb tossing maniacs intent on causing destruction thanks to the high profile actions of what amounts in the end to relatively few individuals.
The Democrats have their own stains, not the least of which is Andrew Jacksons actions towards Native Americans, a grudge WE barely remember, but most of them have never really forgotten.
Of course, (imminent snark warning!) Bush is likely to be seen as a different kind of stain on the Republican party, somewhere in the neighborhood of it's BVDs....
What you DO under a symbol has an effect on how it is perceived, and most folk I know consider the Republican party in this day and age to be every bit as much a fountain of hate and misery as any Islamic Extremist front.
Let's be bluntly honest, just change a few words here and there, and the rhetoric spouted by either one is damn near identical.
That's not to say one side is better than the other, it's just pointing out an obvious truth that no one seems willing or able to deal with.
As far as where such extremism can lead -
I HIGHLY reccommend John Ringo's novel
"The Road to Damascus"*
Based on the BOLO works of Keith Laumer.
The "bad guys" from said work incorporate extremist elements of BOTH of our current primary political "sides" and it shows in horribly explicit detail just where that can go, well enough that it required no suspension of disbelief on my behalf regarding those events.
When I look at either main party, Republican or Democrat, it's POPPA and the POPPA agenda I see lookin back at me.
And I KNOW where that goes, always have from the time I was a small child.
So yeah, they scare me, and to be honest, they SHOULD scare *you* - both of em.
-Frem
*- Title is available at the Baen Free Library, but is well worth having in hardcover in addition.
http://www.webscription.net/p-355-the-road-to-damascus.aspx
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Quote:I’m not.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn, you're arguing the old ends-means point again, something about which you seem thoroughly inconsistent.
Quote:Sure, Signym. Whatever you say.
Originally posted by SignyM:
SO AFA extremism is concerned, is it OK to kill 100,000+ in order to steal their oil?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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