Right Wing Hero Shoots Up Liberal Church
POSTED BY: NewOldBrownCoat
UPDATED: Thursday, August 14, 2008 03:08
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The Left totally controlled this country in the...well not there....OH! in the sevent...uh, well not there...
I'm drawin' a blank here...
Clueless Chrisisall
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Hello,
Rue, I certainly never intended to be rude, and I don't think I've been stupid (which was a rude thing to say.)
You essentially said that someone needs to be an expert to express doubt in your assertions, and I countered that if I have to be an expert to express doubt, then I'll not have much doubt in my life.
You stated that all Pundits on the right, without exception, use hate speech. This seemed to me an astounding statement. It also seemed to me impossible to know.
However, I must admit that I don't know either. I don't know how many right wing pundits there are, I don't know where to find a list of them, and I don't know how big your audience has to be before you are considered a pundit.
I did feel that with a population of 300+ million people, the U.S. probably had more than a dozen right wing pundits. I imagined in my head that there would be at least hundreds of right-wing advocates with radio, television, and newspaper exposure. It occurred to me that unless someone made a profession of surveying them, it would be impossible to know if they all used hate speech.
So, forgive me if my ignorance offends you, but I expressed my doubt based on very realistic reasoning. I don't think that any reasonable person would find fault with this line of thinking.
Unfortunately, there's no way I can prove that some right wing pundits don't use hate speech. As I said, I don't even know how many there are.
I am man enough to admit what I don't know.
But I'll also tell you that your expert opinion is really surprising to me. I wish I had a way to verify it. If I found your statement to be factual, I'd be forced to change my opinion, and lift the benefit of the doubt from the right wing luminaries. I'd also be very, very afraid and appalled.
But I simply have no way to know, and I'm not sure I want to take your word for it.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:Many philosophies with non-violence as the central tenet have been used as an excuse for violence. And saying that a philosophy must be corrupted (interpreted in an extreme way) before it becomes extremist is true of all philosophies, including Right-wing philosophies. Just because you believe the Left may be based on non-violence, which it is not necessarily by the way, will not and has not prevented Left-wing Extremist groups from employing violence.
Originally posted by Righteous9:
unless your philosophy incorporates non-violence as a central tennet, of course.
Then the philosophy itself has to be corrupted first.
Quote:You choose not to know it, because you don’t want to believe it, but the Left has considerable power in this country, certainly more then enough for a current of extremism to exist. And rarely is extremism practiced because the views that spawn the extremism are a majority. More often it is the other way around. Violent extremists are generally a small fraction of opinion, seeking to employ violence in order to bolster that minority view to greater promenence.
Originally posted by Righteous9:
I was kind of joking when I said this was healing, but you should note that in that post I did say that power is a corrupting force, and that I accepted the possibility of left-wing extremism once the left-wing had a good majority of the power. I don't know when that condition has ever existed in this country, but perhaps it has.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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It's just that its the extremism from the majority that worries me far more greatly, Finn. I guess that when its the majority though, it's no longer extremism - maybe that's the rub.
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Quote:The problem is that it’s not the majority. You want to a call it the majority because you want to label anyone you think is Right-Wing as shooting up churches, but in reality, Right-wing extremism is a very tinny fraction of Right-Wing philosophy.
Originally posted by Righteous9:
It's just that its the extremism from the majority that worries me far more greatly, Finn. I guess that when its the majority though, it's no longer extremism - maybe that's the rub.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008
jul27,0,6802141.story
In study, evidence of liberal-bias bias
Cable talking heads accuse broadcast networks of liberal bias -- but a think tank finds that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Barack Obama than on John McCain in recent weeks.
By James Rainey, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 27, 2008
Haters of the mainstream media reheated a bit of conventional wisdom last week.
Barack Obama, they said, was getting a free ride from those insufferable liberals. (Sound like anyone we know, Finn ?)
But now there's additional evidence that casts doubt on the bias claims aimed -- with particular venom -- at three broadcast networks.
The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.
You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.
Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.
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Now this doesn't include the major errors of fact McCain has made that have been either ignored or actively edited out by the 'liberal' media - that Iran supports al Qaeda in Iraq (different sect) which Lieberman corrected, McCain accepted the correction, then went back the next day and retracted his acceptance and restated the error (now THAT'S confused !), that Sunni and Shia are switched around as to who is who, mistaken Somalia for and Sudan, and so on.
AND the fact that Drudge and the media in general while they were lambasting Obama for not visiting the troops kept showing a picture of him playing basketball. And where was he playing ? In IRAQ, on a US base, with the troops.
How's that for a complete right-wing echo chamber ? Courtesy of - the 'liberal' media.
you.
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Obama is being exposed little by little, like peeling the leaves off an artichoke. The more people see of his past radicalism, in-experience, and associations with other radicals and outright racists, the more he's not going to have anything left in terms of support other than double-shot kool-aid believers. That explains why his numbers are tanking, despite all the epic major-media lovefest efforts. Soon most Dems are going to be screaming for Hillary to step in and save the election, as Obama slinks off in post-arrogant shame, his Malcolm X tee-shirt. Ludacris CD, and Farrakhan birthday card in tow.
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Quote:Looks to me like yet another media story favorable to Barack Obama. And another Liberal buying it hook line and sinker.
Originally posted by rue:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008
jul27,0,6802141.story
How's that for a complete right-wing echo chamber ? Courtesy of - the 'liberal' media.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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You know Finn, you COULD have found the LATimes report - instead you chose to say I was fabricating. When confonted with actual facts from the article, you COULD have looked up the orginal source of the study http://www.cmpa.com/ . Instead you chose to say it was an LATimes invention.
You're such a stupid dick. And dishonest as well. But that ground's been covered many times before by other posters.
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"despite all the epic major-media lovefest efforts"
Show me where. Please. Or are you just another one of the brain-dead parrots ?
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