Buffy season 8 comic SUCKS. Joss what happened?

POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Sunday, July 13, 2008 15:23
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OPPYH

Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:06 AM

I've been collecting this series since it came out. Finally had a chance to read them(1-15), and HOLY SHIT, this is probably one of the worst comic books I have ever read. Joss Whedon writes a lot of the issues, and for that I have to say I feel bad for him. I don't know what went wrong(maybe it was just created to make money), but this is bad stuff. Never thought I'd say this but Joss needs to leave Buffy alone.

On a positive note, The Angel series is really, really good. If you loved season 5 of Angel the comics pick up right where it ended. Well worth your time.

GROOSALUGG

Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:54 AM

Well, that's one opinion. Personally, I thought it got off to a bit of a rocky start in the first four issues, but has been fantastic ever since.

The writing on "Angel: After the Fall" has been almost equally as good, but some of the recent editorial decisions (such as the change in the main art team starting in #9, and placing "First Night" where it was, rather than as a separate miniseries) have been pretty bad, and the editing has been lousy throughout, with numerous spelling mistakes that definitely should've been caught long before ever going to print...

WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:23 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I've been collecting this series since it came out. Finally had a chance to read them(1-15), and HOLY SHIT, this is probably one of the worst comic books I have ever read. Joss Whedon writes a lot of the issues, and for that I have to say I feel bad for him. I don't know what went wrong(maybe it was just created to make money), but this is bad stuff. Never thought I'd say this but Joss needs to leave Buffy alone.

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On a positive note, The Angel series is really, really good. If you loved season 5 of Angel the comics pick up right where it ended. Well worth your time.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

OK - So i'm kidding (sorta) each to their own - and i still don't like the pre-season 8 comics but... i gotta disagree with you on this.
The season 8 has not been flawless but it has built and developed very nicely - certain isues (3, 5, 10 fr example) and certain stories (the Faith Arc) have been fantastic. (IMHO)

and the comic has definitely crossed to an audience unused to the medium - which is a good sign.

You talk cash cow?? what the hell is Angel then?

why? why continue past one of the best kiss offs to a show ever?

But if you must do that well - why come out with
After the Fall...
is grusome in it's continuity posioning, tacky rendered, dreadfully edited awfulness.

OPPYH

Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:36 PM

I realize some people may enjoy it, and that's fine.
I think Angel has a strong story, and that is the main factor. Buffy it seems has a schizophrenic pace. It doesn't know where it wants to go. The issues written by Brian K Vaughn absolutely horrid. The Drew Goddard were almost as bad. And the Joss issues...well I think he's digging a hole to make up for all his brilliance.

WARNING: SPOILERS

-Buffy is not a lesbian. Never has been, never will be. Why would they bring her in that direction? To make a point that every straight girl in the world can become one if they so choose? Stupid. You are either gay or you aren't. Your born to be gay, or straight.

-Willow appears to be a magic tart(I'm not going to read any more of the comics so maybe it turns out she's a Willow robot). No character development. Like a caricature of the tv character.

-Xander. Well OK his is the only interesting character in the series.

-Dawn was pretty funny as a giant in the first couple issues. Pretty much got stale after that.

-The storyline. Unimportant, as there is no real threat to anyone, except by the government(Alliance anyone?).
Say what you want about the old Buffy comics, but at least they aren't in danger of damaging the entire Buffy mythos like this series is doing

I can't believe no one's backing me on this. My friend who is also a huge Buffy fan hates it too.
Do you guys actually feel the comic series is gold? I hope at least someone shares my opinion.

OPPYH

Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:39 PM

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Well, that's one opinion. Personally, I thought it got off to a bit of a rocky start in the first four issues, but has been fantastic ever since.

Do you think the series is on par with any of the televised seasons?

WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:43 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

I can't believe no one's backing me on this. My friend who is also a huge Buffy fan hates it too.
Do you guys actually feel the comic series is gold? I hope at least someone shares my opinion.

of course you are not alone.

go to http://www.darkhorse.com and check out the argument there. very mixed opinions.
(note: you have to click on the help box to be taken to the forum pages)

go to http://www.angel-btvs.co.uk for divided views there as well.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:43 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

-Buffy is not a lesbian. Never has been, never will be. Why would they bring her in that direction? To make a point that every straight girl in the world can be become one if they so choose? Stupid. You are either gay or you aren't. Your born to be gay, or straight.

Having sex with another woman doesn't make her gay. We are born with the capacity to be bisexual, it's just that most of us settle on one or the other due to a 'tipping of the scales', or for identification purposes.

Dr. Chrisisall

EVILDINOSAUR

Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:55 PM

Here's your spoiler warning:

I'm enjoying season 8, buffy going bi was an interesting twist, I can see the logic in it, she hasn't had a stellar past with guys, she's now constantly surrounded by girls, I can see where you wouldn't like it, but it doesn't bother me.

I like the fact that I'm still not sure where the story is going, if I knew how it was going to end it wouldn't be nearly as interesting.

Oh, and I love the fact that as soon as xander opened his heart to someone again she got the big scythe through the gut, classic joss, I hate him lol.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

OPPYH

Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:01 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Having sex with another woman doesn't make her gay. We are born with the capacity to be bisexual, it's just that most of us settle on one or the other due to a 'tipping of the scales', or for identification purposes.

Ok. I'll buy that. So she switched sides momentarily. Experimenting if you will. Stranger things have happened, but the comic still sucks!

GROOSALUGG

Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:58 PM

A lot more than just "some" people are enjoying it, since it's Dark Horse's best-selling series ever. I don't know how to respond to criticism as unspecific as "this sucks", but a few things:

- "Do I feel the comics are on par with any of the televised seasons?" Tough to say, since if you tried to equate how many issues equal one TV episode, I think we're really only at the start of the sixth episode of the season. That's too early to say anything for sure, but it won't have to try very hard to exceed my opinions of S7 or S1, and Goddard's "Wolves at the Gate" arc, if you considered it the equal of one TV episode, would probably be in my all-time favorite top 10.

- BKV's Faith arc, tho it had a couple of details that I didn't like (taking Buffy and Faith back to where they hated each other's guts, for one thing), was probably the tightest, most well-done arc of the season so far. It's basically the same story Joss envisioned for the Faith made-for-TV or direct-to-DVD movie that never ended up happening, so he simply adapted it to the comic format.

- Buffy's not a lesbian, but there's been nothing over the years to disprove the idea that she might've been bisexual all along, and even if she wasn't, it's not uncommon for people in their late-teens/early-twenties who are "straight" to try something like that (especially in college). As far as we know, she hadn't had sex with anyone since Spike in S6, was in a place with about 100 girls where the only available man was Xander, and was feeling lonely. Add it all up, and it spells a big "DUH!"

- Willow's magic storyline and connection with the snake lady is only just starting to begin, here in #'s 15 and 16. The season's 40 issues long, and they can't dump a ton of exposition and backstory on you all at once right at the beginning. That would be really crappy and boring writing. You tell the story, and fill in the details as you go along, at the times it becomes necessary to know them. Especially in comic format, where space is at such a premium.

- There's no real threat to anyone? Have you seen that guy Twilight who completely kicked Buffy's ass in #11? Or read #16 and seen what his most-recent move was? The season's 40 issues, and of the 16 so far, only 9 of those have really featured the Scoobies in starring roles, so things are only now just beginning with Twilight's story. We've only completed the equivalent of probably 5 episodes of the show, so how big a threat were Angelus, the Mayor, Adam&the Initiative, Glory, etc., thru the first 5 episodes of each of those seasons?

You're not the only one who doesn't like it--I've seen others online who feel the same way. So you know what I'd suggest? STOP READING IT!! In the meantime, there are plenty of us who love it. We love Jo Chen's covers, Georges Jeanty's art. We love new stories about our favorite characters, written by the writers from the show who know their "voices" better than anyone and can bring them back to life for us. I just feel sorry for you and your friend that you can't enjoy them with the rest of us...

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