Yellowcake Shipped Out
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Rapo, I'm completely at a loss on how you explain- to us or yourself- some of your ideas.
So bear with me for a few mental experiments. As a hypothetical, how would you feel if a squad of USA soldiers decided among themselves ... "Gorramit, we're tired of these friggin' rag-heads bucking our authority. They gotta straigthen up and fly right. So we're gonna grab a couple of kids and some old folks and women, and make an example out of 'em." Not saying that it happened, but IF it did, how would you feel about it?
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Originally posted by citizen:
It's my understanding that Bush went AWOL.
Phfffftt! heh, excellent example of your keen critical analysis. Helps explain a lot of your posts. Do you pay CNN to give you the direct feed?
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Quote:Well, not really no. The people of his country didn't want another war, an entire generation of men had been wiped out in living memory in a war against Germany, Britain wasn't ready for war, as evidenced by the initial and shocking collapse of the Expeditionary force in 1939/1940. The Second World War crippled Britain, and it's unlikely it'll ever fully recover, so sitting back and judging Neville Chamberlain's from your position of faux moral superiority, detached from the context his decision was made in, and I think any real understanding of the British social and political situation at the time, seems to me a little pre-judgemental.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Neville's 'bad press' is well deserved.
Quote:Apparently not:
Your understanding on W is false.
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By all accounts Bush was an excellent pilot, but apparently his enthusiasm cooled. In 1972, four years into his six-year guard commitment, he was asked to work for the campaign of Bush family friend Winton Blount, who was running for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. In May Bush requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit with no planes and minimal duties. Bush's immediate superiors approved the transfer, but higher-ups said no. The matter was delayed for months. In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test--the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.) In September he was ordered to report to a different unit of the Alabama guard, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery. Bush says he did so, but his nominal superiors say they never saw the guy, there's no documentation he ever showed up, and not one of the six or seven hundred soldiers then in the unit has stepped forward to corroborate Bush's story.
After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globe initially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him.
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Quote:No, but the obvious stupidity you exhibit here does explain yours. I mean you've never once come up with anything but an ignorant unsupported rant with the logical validity of an Oprah episode, tune out of Fox News and you may yet save yourself from your inbred fate.
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Phfffftt! heh, excellent example of your keen critical analysis. Helps explain a lot of your posts. Do you pay CNN to give you the direct feed?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo, I'm completely at a loss on how you explain- to us or yourself- some of your ideas.
So bear with me for a few mental experiments. As a hypothetical, how would you feel if a squad of USA soldiers decided among themselves ... "Gorramit, we're tired of these friggin' rag-heads bucking our authority. They gotta straigthen up and fly right. So we're gonna grab a couple of kids and some old folks and women, and make an example out of 'em." Not saying that it happened, but IF it did, how would you feel about it?
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Fair enough put. How'd I feel about it ? I don't know. I'd say most of our soldiers are decent, good kids. Not ALL, by any means, but most. Most have mom's and dads, brothers and sisters, etc.... family and friends back home, and it's not a stretch to wonder how they'd feel if their loved ones were done in a similar manner. Still, there's a war to be fought here, and some very bad folks these guys have to deal with. So THEIR lives are put at risk here. They're placed in a pickle of a situation. How hard do you press, and whom do you press, in order to " make an example " out of someone.
With out specifics, it's hard to really answer your question. I know that sometimes, police and soldiers will do things which appear far worse than they are.... put on a show, as it were. It's the use of theatrics, of a sort, to explain in a loud, clear manner w/ out actually having to DO much of anything, that they mean business. I'm guessing some of this was done. Possibly quite well, too. Also, I'm guessing that sometimes things went overboard, and mistakes were made. Don't know for sure,but it being war and all, it can't be ruled out. That's all I got at this time.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by arclight:
Joe Wilson has no comment.
imagine that
pro global warming
And...?
What's that indicative of? That Wilson knew that Niger produces uranium, or that he knew that Saddam had bought yellowcake there in the past?
What exactly is he supposed to comment on?
It's not a big mystery that Iraq had yellowcake, and had had it well BEFORE the FIRST GULF WAR.
sooo, you're saying Joe Wilson KNEW there was yellow cake before he didn't know.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
So bear with me for a few mental experiments. As a hypothetical, how would you feel if a squad of USA soldiers decided among themselves ... "Gorramit, we're tired of these friggin' rag-heads bucking our authority. They gotta straigthen up and fly right. So we're gonna grab a couple of kids and some old folks and women, and make an example out of 'em." Not saying that it happened, but IF it did, how would you feel about it?
So that's who we were waterboarding, old folks, women, and children?
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sooo, you're saying Joe Wilson KNEW there was yellow cake before he didn't know.
You really shouldn't try to participate in discussions that are this far above your pay grade.
Joe Wilson maintained that Iraq and Saddam Hussein WERE NOT trying to procure yellowcake Uranium from Niger in the 1998-2001 time period, and that the allegations that they were, were at best "dubious" - a conclusion the CIA reached as well.
I said it was no secret to anybody that Iraq already possessed hundreds of tons of the stuff, and in fact some 500 tons of it had been unaccounted for after the first Gulf War, when US troops had left the storage site unguarded for a prolonged period of time.
So trying to say Wilson did know before he didn't know is an asinine statement, to put it mildly. It's almost as if you believe that yellowcake uranium didn't even exist before Bush lied about it in 2003.
Mike
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Quote:Since this is a hypothetical situation (and I was too tired last night to flesh out the situation, so to speak) assume that they grabbed... a one year-old baby girl, two-year old toddler boy, a five-year old girl, three boys ages six, eight and nine, a twelve year old girl, a teenage girl age 16, two teenage boys ages fiteeen and nineteen, all three mothers, and an elderly man and three elderly women. Let's assume that they raped everyone under the age of 16 and the mothers, and beat everyone to death. They mutilated the bodies and hung them up in the street.
With out specifics, it's hard to really answer your question. I know that sometimes, police and soldiers will do things which appear far worse than they are.... put on a show, as it were. It's the use of theatrics, of a sort, to explain in a loud, clear manner w/ out actually having to DO much of anything, that they mean business. I'm guessing some of this was done. Possibly quite well, too. Also, I'm guessing that sometimes things went overboard, and mistakes were made. Don't know for sure,but it being war and all, it can't be ruled out. That's all I got at this time.
What I'm asking about is your "gut reaction", not a thought-out response.
Quote:Do you even know the meaning of the word "hypothetical"? Apparently not!
So that's who we were waterboarding, old folks, women, and children?
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Most have mom's and dads, brothers and sisters, etc.... family and friends back home, and it's not a stretch to wonder how they'd feel if their loved ones were done in a similar manner.
Funny...you say this, and then you act like the people who fight against us have none of these things, no people in their lives who love them.
the vilest sort of evil...
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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