Joss Whedon = Shan-yu = evil (?)

POSTED BY: heb
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 08:15
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MCNALLY

Monday, May 10, 2004 8:07 PM

Wait, so the quote from "War Stories" is real? I thought they just made "Shan Yu" up to quote, letting it be obvious that he was inspired by the writings atributed to Sun tzu.

If so, does anyone know where the "War Stories" quote is actually from? If "Art of War", what section?

DELIA

Monday, May 10, 2004 8:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by heb:

"You take people, you put them on a journey, you give them peril, you find out who they really are." - Joss Whedon

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

I have come to the inevitable conclusion that Joss Whedon is evil.

You know, this would explain 2/3 of what's happened to poor Wesley in the last three seasons of Angel . . . .

HEB

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:32 AM

Well I'm from the UK so I haven't seen the last few episodes of season 5 yet.

But that does seem to be the case.

Joss has said that if a character is too happy it's a bad sign for them. He's so mean!

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:19 PM

Shan Yu & Sun Tzu are not the same person, nor are their writings the same. Sun Tzu was a Chinese general in 500 BC, according to what we know of Shan Yu, he was supposed to be some sort of dictator who studied torture.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

DELIA

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by heb:
Well I'm from the UK so I haven't seen the last few episodes of season 5 yet.

But that does seem to be the case.

Joss has said that if a character is too happy it's a bad sign for them. He's so mean!

Since he's more or less been all tortured and miserable since the middle of season of three, whatever happens at the end of Angel can't make that much of a difference (because I seriously doubt this show ends "and they all lived happily ever after"). Poor man. I'd feel sorrier for him, though, if Alexis Denisof didn't make tortured and miserable quite that sexy.

GORRAMREAVERS

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:15 PM

Joss isnt evil :)

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 4:01 PM

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Originally posted by Delia:
You know, this would explain 2/3 of what's happened to poor Wesley in the last three seasons of Angel . . . .

And about 90% of what's happened to Xander, and Willow, and even Buffy since the beginning of their show.

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HEB

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:45 PM

Possibly Angel Season 4 Spoilers below for UK viewers without sky.

That would explain why joss had to kill off Jasmine.

He couldn't let them be shiny, happy people ... wouldn't be civilised.

ps. just noticed the usage of 'shiny'in that episode title...shiny

MCNALLY

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Shan Yu & Sun Tzu are not the same person, nor are their writings the same. Sun Tzu was a Chinese general in 500 BC, according to what we know of Shan Yu, he was supposed to be some sort of dictator who studied torture.

Okay, I thought they were different people. Thanks for clearing that up BrownCoat1. I also came across this old thread
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=4927

and subsequently SerenityNow's website
http://dryope.typepad.com/superfly/
about the whole question of Shan Yu and the quote being real.

As for the evilness of Joss - as long as he keeps putting his characters through the wringer we can all ask ourselves the big questions without our own lives having to go down the toilet.

So you go, Joss! Dangle 'em over that volcano and keep it coming!

HEB

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by McNally:
So you go, Joss! Dangle 'em over that volcano and keep it coming!

You're all under his spell! Don't you see it?

Look what Joss has done to us all. He keeps putting our favourite characters through hell and we don't stop him because....well because he's Joss.

Maybe we should take over the firefly verse and have the crew of serenity living happily around the core, selling dolls with wobbly heads for ever. Because, of course, no-one will ever die in our new firefly utopia.

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