Stupid Balkanization and the US Secessionist movement

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JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 30, 2008 10:05 PM

I'm all for more Independants, after all I'm a Browncoat but lately on the web I see its being pushed too far.

I'm all for more local power, governance at local levels and local issues and having the government less in control of your life with more laws, more wire tapping, more taxes etc. However I feel some of these Independence stuff is either being pushed too far or pushed in the wrong direction.

Take the Balkanization of Europe, milosevic was a scumbag and a dictator but does his stupidity give us all an excuse to break up people. In parts of Holland etc Muslims don't want anything to do with traditional European or Christian customs and there were anrgy protests.
The Serbs had a long history in the region long before the Albanians came a long and now we seek to break up the people. Ethically segregating one community away from another, it will happen in Iraq and Trukey to as the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds all want their own region divided and sliced on the base of religion and race. It's happening all over Africa too as people descended from one tribe attack another ethnic group

I'm all for more local power on issues like local projects, local jobs, local environmental stuff etc This is why I support independence from big government.
But breaking up a place on the basis of religion and race is a formula for disaster.

There are idiot Secessionists in the USA, for example Christian Southerners who want to break away from the United States of America because they don't like the governments policy on abortion, or patriotic Americans want to break away from Liberals because of their "chicken antiwar principles", legalize Unisex Marriage etc Then radical Liberals in California, NewYork etc who don't want to be part of country in a union with the South anymore. What is the North or East/West coast broke away, what if the South succeeded ?? - it would be a disaster !! In a break up of the USA who the military'd side with? How will the security South survive without its military bases in liberal states like Los Angeles AFB, McGuire AFB, Fort Hamilton etc and how would the North survive without the farming areas and resources of the Southern States? Without Northern investment from economic and financial capitals like NYC the Southern states would shut down a lot of their farms. These Secessionists groups are selling us a stupid idea, they will only sub-divide the American population to pit one sub-group against another

What amazes me is that there are groups which advocate such behavior and their movement is growing each year.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, July 1, 2008 9:55 AM

Frankly, it would not at all break my heart to see some of these assholes break loose into their own collectives and then annihilate each other with conventional weapons trying to force their agendas on each other.

I'd be damn happy to see them dead, and even happier to not have their agendas forced upon me by their fucking lobbyists buying off our Government.

Consider how one group of them attempting to enforce their morality upon the rest of us created prohibition, which lead to the rise of organized crime, UnConstitutional Federal Policing, and eventually to the "War on (some) Drugs", which has contributed overall not a goddamn thing to our country or society but misery, violence and chaos.

I say if they can buy enough land to live on, and get the unanimous consent of all that live on it to do so, fine by me and good riddance!

All I really want is to be left ALONE without some shitheads agenda, promogulated through this Government and it's UnConstitutional enforcers, being pushed upon me at every goddamn turn and corner, every moment, of my life.

So yeah, I'd be glad to see the back of em, and even happier to see em pushin up daisies when they try forcing that shit on each OTHER.

If I wanna back MY car into MY own freakin driveway to unload the trunk easier, that's MY goddamn business innit ?

If I wanna rip the CD's *I* purchased to MP3 and play them on MY MP3 player to listen to while mowing the lawn, that's MY damn business, innit ?

I am sick to death of other peoples petty little bullshit and meaningless (to me) agendas being pushed into my life because this Government allows it to happen, and I suspect I ain't the only one.

So if they wanna take that shit somewhere else and leave us folk who understand the MYOB principle alone for freakin once, then damn right, I'm all for it.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, July 1, 2008 1:31 PM

While I don't agree with the reasons stated as a basis for secession, I do agree with the principle of it.

If the government is no longer governing according to the Constituiton, if we are crushed down with illegal taxes, if our rights are trampled upon...then the only options left (beyond a COMPLETE changing of government) are civil war or a non-violent secession.

We fought Britain because they tried to tax our income and our goods, we fought Germany to prevent "politically-correct thought" and National-Socialism, we fought Russia to prevent Communism...and here we are now......

We have an income tax to pay for Socialist/Communistic programs, and PC curbs our voices from speaking the truth.

I say to hell with it. Either things change so that we are back in line with the Constituion.... or we fight.

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 1, 2008 6:22 PM

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We have an income tax to pay for Socialist/Communistic programs, and PC curbs our voices from speaking the truth.

I had no idea you thought defense spending was a socialist/communist program!

After all, the vast majority of your tax dollars go to the Pentagon. And you forgot to mention the TRILLIONS of dollars that are being thrown down that drain we call Iraq. Of course, the "PC" Republicans don't want anyone talking about that particular quagmire, and have deemed such questioning "unpatriotic" - talk about "PC"...

I'm with ya on the fight part, though - this is a perfect time for it, since all of our available military units are out of the country now and for the foreseeable future. Should be quite easy to knock over the status quo. ;)

Mike

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WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, July 1, 2008 8:18 PM

I wonder if anyone else is thinking the same damn thing... ;)

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 3, 2008 7:43 PM

Interesting point.

People now have such a narrow definition of "themselves" they can't see any commonality between themselves and others. So whatever system is set up just HAS to meet their specific, individual agendas in every detail, or they're going to throw a hissy-fit.

Yes, government should be accountable. But on the other hand, people need to suck it up a little bit and stop being such whiny biatches.

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KHYRON

Thursday, July 3, 2008 7:51 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yes, government should be accountable. But on the other hand, people need to suck it up a little bit and stop being such whiny biatches.

Couldn't agree more.

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, July 4, 2008 2:20 AM

Hey, gimme my fuckin tax money back and you won't have to hear me bitch.

But as long my hard earned cash is taken from me under threat of violence, via force of arms, to finance pushing not only agendas I don't agree with, and those the Gov has no damn business in, but also black bag shit that we, the so-called-rulers of this pathetic little junta, are not only not allowed to vote on, but not even allowed to know about...

http://www.csbaonline.org/4Publications/PubLibrary/U.20070725.Classifi
ed_Funding/U.20070725.Classified_Funding.pdf

Yeah, that sure is representative government, innit... representative of a fucking pissant third world junta!

Gimme back the money that the dickheads you have so much faith in have extorted from me under threat of violence, and you don't have to hear me bitch, eh ?

-F

SIGNYM

Friday, July 4, 2008 5:43 AM

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Gimme back the money that the dickheads you have so much faith in have extorted from me under threat of violence, and you don't have to hear me bitch, eh ?

Like I said, it seems that people can't find any commonality anymore, and all programs have to suit their agendas to a "T" or they throw a tantrum.

YOUR problem Frem... think of it as a "challenge" if you will... is to convince enough people that your ways make sense. If you manage to convince enough people, you can swing the ship of state around. If not.... well then, you'll just have to keep chipping away at it.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 4, 2008 12:55 PM

What's wrong with people wanting to be around people who are like them? It's gotten to the point where half the time you're afraid of saying anything because you're afraid of who you'll offend.

I don't want Government segregating people, but if people want to distance themselves from each other and don't start firebombing each other I don't see any problem with it. Maybe there is a reason other than lesser mobility that for centuries people mainly affiliated with their own people. I'm all for tolerance and being good natured to your fellow man, but if I'm not hurting anyone then it's nobody's business who I choose to affiliate myself with.

That's freedom, ain't it?

Actually, it's the Government using my tax dollars to forcefully integrate everybody together that I have a problem with.... but that's another topic, deserving of its own thread, and one that I don't really care much to get into today.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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