Stupid Balkanization and the US Secessionist movement

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, July 4, 2008 1:57 PM

Believe me Siggy, you've nailed the issue in spades, and trying to convince folk who've been indoctrinated all their lives to think and believe in a certain way ain't easy...

But it can be done.

I picked up the torch from others in my youth of convincing folk that no, those *weren't* just stories, and yes, abuse *was* rife in the catholic church - that torch had been carried many years before me by former victims and folks who saw what was going on, and they carried it as far as they could before age or mortality made them unable, and then handed it off to the next generation to carry in their turn.

Now, if you called out the catholic church on this crap even 10-15 years ago, you'd get called a loon, a conspiracy nut, etc - but I don't see it being disputed now.

That was one of the things that firmly convinced me that "impossible" is not a word to apply to these things, and the torch of socially, mentally, and emotionally evolving ourselves past the NEED for an all-encompassing, invasive parent-government isn't one I expect to go the distance in my own lifetime, although it would be nice to see more progress.

But I do intend to hand off something to the next generation besides the future of our failures, and if the hope embodied in that torch is all I got left to give, then so be it - in respect to the one handed to me in my youth by folks who'd carried it through the dark days when getting THAT issue brought to light seemed impossible.

If I can't give our next generation victory, at least I can hand them hope, yes ?

As for the rest, I don't wanna force my manner of lifestyle or belief on anyone else, and the idea of robbing them of hard earned cash to finance that kind abuse to them is anethma to all I believe, so you can see where I'd be pretty angry to have such directed at me 24-7-365.

If what I think and do brings no harm to any other being, if it has no effect whatever upon them, then why the hell should such a thing matter to someone else ?

And yet it does, cause it doesn't fit THEIR little pre-conceived notions of how I should life my life, and thus they feel the need to interfere.

"We meddle, We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right."
-River Tam

-F

SIGNYM

Friday, July 4, 2008 4:00 PM

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What's wrong with people wanting to be around people who are like them?

Nothing. I think it's called "freedom of association". You might have heard of it, perhaps?

But that's not what secession is about. Secession mean replacing one government with another. One set of laws with another. One set of funding with another. Creating your own little mini-nation within a nation.

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It's gotten to the point where half the time you're afraid of saying anything because you're afraid of who you'll offend.

Maybe you should lose some of those offensive ideas, no? It's not bad to rummage thru your mental attic once in a while and figure out if anything should be discarded. One of the BEST ways to discover yourself... find out who you "really" are... is to get out, experience new and different things, talk to people you've never talked to before, see places never seen before. Once you've discovered your boundaries, nothing in life says you have the right to remain smack in the middle of your comfort zone until you die.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 4, 2008 4:10 PM

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Believe me Siggy, you've nailed the issue in spades, and trying to convince folk who've been indoctrinated all their lives to think and believe in a certain way ain't easy... But it can be done.

Huh. We actually agree on something.

Nice to hear that message of hope from someone in the trenches. Thanks Frem.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, July 4, 2008 11:31 PM

Siggy, I may be a hardheaded stubborn jackass of the worst order, sure, but the beauty of the thing is that what I wish to accomplish harms no one save the predatory elements so destructive to mankind as a whole.

The long view is outgrowing and doing away with such Governments, but the short view of it is very simply removing ridiculous excesses and abuses like the telephone line tax, for example, crap that NO ONE but those directly benefitting is actually in favor of.

http://news.cnet.com/Senators-want-to-nix-1898-telecom-tax/2100-1036_3
-5769948.html

But one of the major problems, as you're so good at pointing out, is that all common mainstream media is snuggled right up to the status quo and beating their drums all day long, along with a public education system heavy on indoctrination to both that and corporate agendas as well.
(Did you see the proposal to put corporate ads in school bathrooms ? that was nuts!)

Our primary vehicle at this time is of course the internet, the one source of free information that the status quo and those supporting it are so desperate to strangle, but not only do I not think they'll ever get enough support to really try - I am not sure it's even possible, given the mental nature and philosophy of most technologically oriented folk.

That's why hackers usually beat out Gov and Corpies, cause by their very nature and structure, the only techies they can get to work directly in opposition to the principles of free information are the rejects.

Would that all our opposition was that damn stupid, ehe ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:20 PM

they feel like they are held captive

Organizers of Measure 7-86, also known as the "Greater Idaho Measure," say the decision to secede is because of the state's progressive policies and high crime rates. They allege they have been alienated in Oregon and that moving to Idaho would enable citizens to benefit from reduced taxes as well as improved governance and representation.

https://thepostmillennial.com/13th-oregon-county-votes-to-secede-and-j
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