If you like Bush & what he's done to this world, you are evil.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 19:38
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I feel sorry for Rapo. He's driven by fear, which can apparently only be assuaged by burying himself into the middle of the biggest, toughest herd he can find. And now, he's thinking that his herd may be dissolving from around him. No wonder he's so paranoid. He sees every question as a defection from the group that's between him and the other.j
I love how some of you pocket psychologist have it all figured out, or so you think. Herd or no, dealing head on w/ the problems facing our country is the best solution. There's no paranoia here, just understanding. SOME want to deny it, placate those who vow to murder us , at any expense, and simply go on living their day, as if it were like any other. I'm just glad my country has leaders who are willing to do the right thing.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
I feel sorry for Rapo. He's driven by fear, which can apparently only be assuaged by burying himself into the middle of the biggest, toughest herd he can find. And now, he's thinking that his herd may be dissolving from around him. No wonder he's so paranoid. He sees every question as a defection from the group that's between him and the other.j
I love how some of you pocket psychologist have it all figured out, or so you think. Herd or no, dealing head on w/ the problems facing our country is the best solution. There's no paranoia here, just understanding. SOME want to deny it, placate those who vow to murder us , at any expense, and simply go on living their day, as if it were like any other. I'm just glad my country has leaders who are willing to do the right thing.
Prove it.
Mike
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Quote:Rapo, there is a big disconnect in your brain that just can't be crossed by the spark of discovery. So here's the secret that's been in plain view all along: I agree with you! We ALL agree with you!
I love how some of you pocket psychologist have it all figured out, or so you think. Herd or no, dealing head on w/ the problems facing our country is the best solution.There's no paranoia here, just understanding.
Figure THAT one out!
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Coming in late:
Totally agree with the initial post.
And though I havn't read the whole thing yet, I feel safe in assuming anything Rap has to say is utter bullshit (I can already hear his "Bush didn't lie - ever!" refrain....).
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Careful - my head is big enough already LOL!
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Mal4Prez:
Once again, I bow to you. You are my idol.
Quote:Actually, wasn't meaning to poke at you. In fact, I frequently find that when I'm tempted to come out of lurkerdom I don't need to, cause you post the argument I'd use - by which I mean information based rather than emotional.
Well said, and too true. Even the part about "certain people" getting a bit too aggro about their points. Point taken. :)
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Ehhh...how about this. Grow up, people. I don't agree with all of what Bush has done, however....
If a Democrat had been in the office when 9/11 happened, they would have limpwristed their way through it. 9/11 was an act of war. Not a police action...
Rememebr when the Twin Towers were first attacked? And Clintons response to it?
Do I agree with losing our privacy and freedoms for this? Hell the f no. But do I think a weak Democrat is the right idea? Noooooo......
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Just for shits and grins, I'll say a piece for the 'other' side.
A while ago, I caught an episode of Boston Legal (purely on accident, believe me) that caused me to consider things somewhat differently.
In the episode, the Alan Shore character had agreed to take on a case for a group who wanted to secede from the US - some county in Connecticut or something - mainly due to disagreements with the policies of the Bush administration. His partner, and good friend, Denny Crane was appalled that Shore would agree to represent such an unpatriotic cause. To cut to the chase, Crane volunteered to represent the defense and ended up arguing against his old friend in court.
The debate was interesting, if largely predictable, but Crane made a particular point that opened my eyes a bit. He made the case that people of younger generations, particularly post-World War II, lack a certain appreciation for the fragility of national independence and sovereignty. He pointed out that most of us can't even really conceive of the possibility that we may lose the nation that we take for granted.
He argued that people of his generation, and perhaps others with a clear understanding what's a stake, can imagine the possibility of waking up one day to find that our nation is lost, discovering that, in our complacency, we've failed to protect that which is most dear - and lost it. Many of them faced that very possibility when it looked like nothing could withstand the relentless march of Hitler across Europe and they know it can happen again.
Overall, I think the argument is an overstatement, especially when you consider the relative strength of the Islamic fundamentalists. They're mostly a boogeyman, an slim excuse for PNAC's global agenda. But I do feel like I have a little better understanding of where the hawks are coming from - and why it can become such an emotional issue for them.
The irony is that, in my opinion, their emotional response veres into the irrational, and they begin doing exactly the things that might bring about the thing they fear most.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:And insecurity. Yes, I think those are the two main motivations behind getting caught up in these cult groups.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Mal4Prez- Agreed on the cult thing. What I see... take it FWIW... is that those who stick closest to Bush are run by fear.
Quote:Nope. Just a figurehead - and what a good one. He's so daft he's perfect - questions bounce off him like he's a moldy lump of swiss cheese, and he's so easy deluded that he believes every insane thing he says, hence folks like Rap can defend the administrations actions. The President believes and defends it, so it MUST be true!
But to get to the question of Bush's position in the cult. Curiously, he's not the real leader.
Quote:Wow. I hd totally forgotten that line - it's perfect LOL! Cheney truly is the devil in this situation. If there's anyone I can be convinced is evil, it's him. He viewed Watergate as a wrongful drain of executive power, and it's been his goal since then to change the balance back. Well, he achieved his aim.
I can't help thinking of the cartoon "Aladdin" where the Grand Vizier in fake surprise says... 'Why, that would be... me!!!')
As for Bush - I too have seen comparisons of him as President to him in the early 90s. It's frightening. Definitely mental decay. I have no idea what did it. I'm so amused by the idea of Cheney throwing him a little bag of coke and sending him off to a playroom while the adults do business LOL!
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ehhh...how about this. Grow up, people. I don't agree with all of what Bush has done, however....
If a Democrat had been in the office when 9/11 happened, they would have limpwristed their way through it. 9/11 was an act of war. Not a police action...
Those psychic powers of yours must be mighty handy, being able to tell what would have happened if an alternate reality.
And yeah, 9/11 was an act of war. Too bad we didn't actually commit to winning that war, and instead started another one with someone un-related....
But I guess some people will just feel better as long as we blow someone up.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
9/11 was an act of war.
But this is the single biggest mistake we've made. It wasn't an act of war. It was a politically inspired criminal act. It was a terrorist attack, not warfare. They're not the same thing. That's why we have different words for them.
For some reason though, our leadership wanted a war. So they opportunistically used the emotional state of our nation, and the ambiguities of our language to create one. But it's war against no one, with no victory conditions. It's Orwell's perpetual war and it's no coincidence our leaders have followed his blueprint for sustaining it. "Doublespeak" is alive and well, and a key tool for the Bush administration.
I don't think we'll make any real progress in stopping the terrorist threat until we understand the difference between warfare and terrorism. Applying strategies of war to a problem that isn't a war will never work.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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