Over rated Buffy episodes

POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Sunday, June 15, 2008 05:46
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GROOSALUGG

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Really? I mean, good.
Now you can enjoy the ep a little more.

No, dude, I was just humoring you.

I know (from the audio commentary) that it was supposed to be the First, but since that really makes no sense for the reasons I already gave, I have my own alternate explanations:

A) It really was Joyce, trying to contact Dawn, with some creature trying to prevent her from doing so.

Or B) It was something else other than the First trying to trick Dawn, and make her doubt Buffy. For some strange reason.

Neither option really makes a lot of sense in the overall plot of the season... but then again, even if it's the First, it still doesn't make a lot of sense in the overall plot of the season, because it doesn't really go anywhere. But that fits right in with the rest of S7, where one of its defining traits was subplots that began, ran for a little while, and then fizzled out with no real reason or payoff...

REGINAROADIE

Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:38 AM

I too found "Hush" to be a slightly overrated episode. And don't nail me up to the cross or anything, but I also found "Once More, With Feeling" to be the most overrated episode.

A lot of what I call "experimental" episodes sometimes feels like they're doing it just for the Hell of it. That they story they're telling doesn't justify the way that it's being told. For example, "Restless" and "The Body" I felt were two experimental episodes that worked flawlessly. Since "Restless" was about introspection and the characters figuring out who they were and where they fit in, that the loose, freeflow tone and structure fit perfectly. And with "The Body", its more cinematic, awkward and sparsely cut structure amplified the shock and digestion of a very real life event crashing into the fantasy world made it unforgettable.

But the story behind "Once More, With Feeling" didn't require a musical number every five minutes. I got the sense that this was Joss saying "I am powerful and can do whatever the Hell I want on my show, so I am going to do a musical episode. Marvel at my genius." Plus, the songs themselves weren't that interesting. I have no idea why people go ROCKY HORROR on this ep.

Also, "Innocence" and it's follow up ep didn't do a thing for me. I thought Angel was a bland character for the first two years, so him suddenly turning evil had no impact on me whatsoever. When I saw Buffy crying afterwards, I was like "Helloo?? Big red flag here. Stop crying and get your shit together."

I know that's the moment that the show became THE SHOW to a lot of people, but it just didn't do anything to me. I was more annoyed than shocked.

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OPPYH

Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:11 AM

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Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:
If OPPYH was a F*X exec, do really think OPPYH would have made it as far as season 4?

My pick: Season 6. Oops! That's not an ep.

"Chosen" - I thought they should have shown the Hellmouth one last time.

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Yup, Buffy is my favorite show of all time. It's just every time it's mentioned it seems like Hush is the first episode people rave about. I like it, just not crazy about it.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:52 PM

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I too found "Hush" to be a slightly overrated episode.

Me too, like said above, I liked it fine, but no more than Fear Itself.

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And don't nail me up to the cross or anything, but I also found "Once More, With Feeling" to be the most overrated episode.

Plus, the songs themselves weren't that interesting. I have no idea why people go ROCKY HORROR on this ep.

I have to disagree here- I love the songs; if I were an I-pod person, I'd be playing the whole ep every couple days...plus: if they showed the ep at a theatre, I'd definitely go.
I'd rate it better than Rocky Horror, and almost as good as Jesus Christ Superstar.

But that's just meisall

MAL4PREZ

Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:13 PM

I'm with RR - OMWF is cute and clever and all, but I just never feel any tempation to watch it again. A few of the musical numbers make me kind of cringe-y, but then anything resembling Karaoke mades me want to run and hide. Singalongs are so not my thing.

Easy Chris - I'm not saying it's a bad episode! And, you know what, if it was at a midnight screening I'd go just to enjoy the fans singing along and being goofy. It'd be a good time.

But I don't rate OMWF as one of the top episodes. Can't do it. My taste may very well be suspect - I also love Season 5 (Glory rocks!) and get bored with much of Season 7.

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I get bored with much of Season 7.

As long as you down with the Faith eps, we cool.

Yoisall

MAL4PREZ

Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:57 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I get bored with much of Season 7.
As long as you down with the Faith eps, we cool.

Oh - pshaw, Faith. Nothing at all entertaining about her...

OK, I can't even come up with convincing lies about that LOL! Faith completely rocks. I have a total woman-crush on her LOL!

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:05 PM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I have a total woman-crush on her LOL!

I have that too!

Coincidental Chrisisall

GROOSALUGG

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:54 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I get bored with much of Season 7.

As long as you down with the Faith eps, we cool.

In spite of Faith being my favorite character, her appearance in S7 was pretty much a big "whatever"

for me. What did she actually do? She showed up, got handed a position of leadership that she didn't want, led some of the girls into a trap, got blown up, slept with Principal Wood, and was one of many, many slayers who fought in the final battle (yet didn't really stand out in that fight in any significant way). It's almost like the writers didn't really know what to do with her once they had her... which seemed to be the situation with a lot of the characters in S7.

She was SO MUCH better in her 3 episodes of Angel S4, just a few weeks earlier. She got to be more of a badass, she accomplished more, she had more of character arc where she grew and changed, and from a strictly superficial POV, she looked hotter.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, June 13, 2008 7:33 AM

Oppyh wrote:

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Hush. Never understood why this is considered one of the best. Quite boring actually.

Well that's a fair enough point. Maybe it is overated when taken for just a single episode, removed from the context of the show, but since you asked here's a little list.

1)Originality: It is so rare for an episode of tv to go by without dialogue. It's a very difficult trick to pass of. Try viewing one of your home movies with the sound off and see how much harder it is to sit through.

2) Timing: Think of what that season had been doing with it's characters to this point. Buffy and Riley where at an impass with regards to their relationship and clearly they needed to talk it out. But how? Well in clever Joss style he uses moments of complete silence to express everything these characters feel. (Actually mostly done with music to perfection by Chris Beck, but there are moments where silent acting is incorporated to sheer wonderment) Many a silent star would have been impressed. Xander and Anya too are unable to communicate when they are speaking, and it is not until a moment of 'action' on Xander's part that all becomes clear between them and ever so much more is expressed between them in just a 'moment' in time.

3)Observation: I think this episode works because many people can relate to 'wanting' to say something to someone and yet the words used are actually wrong, and inappropriate yet we use them without thinking and say nothing when we speak, but it allows us to get by in society. Hush highlights that, by saying well how would you get by trying to communicate with someone if forced to 'mime' the action or to express your immediate fears? You wont waste time with flowery vernacular, which we so readily rely on, you have to make your point.

4)The Gentlemen: This one is more my personal take on things, but I think The Gentlemen are one of the great Horror characters to come along in years. I still think there is plenty of milage in these guys. Not since 'Freddy Kruger' first appeared on the seen has there been a better horror villain. These guys are up there with Frankenstien's monster, Dracula, The Mummy etc. They are genuinely creepy fellows!

5)The Score: I've sort of mentioned it already. The music to this episode is a masterpiece! I wish they would release it as an album to listen to on it's own, I think you'd pretty much be able to follow the narrative as you listen. It's incredible. And it gave us Buffy and Riley's theme which is a superior piece of music for TV.

6)Formula: This episode manages to keep up with all the usual Buffy elements: Horror, Drama, Humour and action and it does it without dialogue and without missing a beat and still furthers the shows overall 'Arc'.

Personally I was just fascinated to watch a show where all our usual characters are doing something very different onscreen. I would be interested to hear which episode you regard as your favourite?

But hey... Each to their own brand of kipper....

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