Civil Disobediance.
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Friday, October 24, 2025 19:32
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I wonder if this isn't to encourage people to buy more expensive American made guns and discourage folks from just importing cheap AK's? The way it's set up doesn't actually discourage folks from having the US equivalent of that class of weapon so it doesnt sound like back door gun control, it sounds like back door protectionism.
Wonder who bribed who to get that legislation passed?
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Frem, I quoted you.
No, you did not - you attributed to me a statement I never made and in fact have argued AGAINST every single time it's been brought up.
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It seemed earlier you suggested that whole reams of society, including technological base, could be removed if we didn't want them, without causing 'unintended' consequences, which simply isn't true.
I did not say this.
In fact I never said or even suggested this, ever, at any point in any discussion here, whatsoever, period - end of line.
And yet in thread after thread, after having that pointed out repeatedly, you continue to attribute to me a position that not only do I not hold, have never held, but in fact do not agree with.
And in thread after thread, I have pointed that out, again and again, and I am sick of it to the point of fury, especially when it wrecks otherwise useful discussions, as it apparently has here - and I am completely done being polite or reasonable about it.
Just to prove a point...
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You're premise maybe that you remove structure A and you lose technology B and thus product C, you don't need to argue that's what you're saying, we know that's what you're saying. Perhaps before getting on your high horse and martyring yourself you should find out what other people are saying yes?
I DO need to argue it, because somehow every fucking time I SAY that, some shithead comes around and tries to claim I said we could remove structure A without consequence, which is what is pissing me off, I am sick and tired of playing this fucking game with you people, when I say something five and six times only to be told I didn't say it, said something else, or "but what you really MEANT was..."
I took MORE than enough of that shit in the FLDS thread, and far too much over this stupidass argument I never made in the first place - do I have to preface every fucking post I ever make with it because you seem to have less longterm memory than a common mayfly ?
Or should I just quote whole damn posts at you, in triplicate ?
Let me repeat it one more time so that you jackasses fucking for once might acknowledge it for more than sixty seconds.
I did NOT at any time suggest reduction to an iron age society, I simply used a low tech example to simplify a point about how if the cost of seizing a resource by force will be higher than negotiation and trade for it, then even an amoral goon is going to go with negotiation and trade as a cheaper option.
And I used a low tech example simply for the fact of simplifying the goddamn argument so that it would not be nitpicked half to death by folks who wanted to fight and flame instead of usefully discussing the topic.
But it sure didn't stop the shitheads that wanted to do just that, and trying to be reasonable with you fuckwads hasn't either, and if you want to nitpick over a mere simplification of an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ARGUMENT that happened MONTHS AGO, just to be assholes because you have nothing of actual USE to contribute to the topic at hand....
It might be a better idea if you just shut the fuck up and let folks who ARE willing to discuss the topic do so, for once.
Which is, again, Problems within the educational system and potentive concepts for solution - and if you ain't discussing THAT, from this point, you'll be discussing with yourself, although I think for some of you that's rather a common practice.
-F
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Quote:Yes I did, and your stubborn insistence that the statement I quoted wasn't made by you just makes you look like either a pathelogical liar, a collosal moron, or both. The statement I quoted, the one I replied to, and the one you keep insisting isn't yours:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
No, you did not - you attributed to me a statement I never made and in fact have argued AGAINST every single time it's been brought up.
Quote:The name at the top of that post is Fremdfirma, the sign off at the bottom is -Frem, your fucking sign off. Any further doubts this is the direct link to your fucking post:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
On the other note, about smaller paradigms, that's a little more complex than your making it, but not so much - the idea of the style I propose is doing away with structures that nearly everybody wants gone with the full understanding of how that would limit your technology and production base, what I have described before as incremental minimalisim.
Example: If we choose to dismantle structure A, then we will lose Technology B and the ability to produce product C.
Do we have perhaps an alternate tech or product we can live with ?
If not, are we all ok with losing B & C ?
If-Yes-Next Structure...
And so on and so forth, to a point where folks are comfortable with, which is far more likely to be somewhere in between here and a horse and buggy culture, it was just a convenient example of the degree it could be taken by folk hell bent on it - but not necessarily where it WOULD go.
Hope that clarifies things a bit.
-Frem
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=33772#613066
I am not attributing to you a statement you never made, it is a statement you made, and it's not my fault if you're not man enough to stand by your fucking statements, you fucking liar.
Quote:I just quoted you again, liar.
I did not say this.
In fact I never said or even suggested this, ever, at any point in any discussion here, whatsoever, period - end of line.
Quote:Thread after thread? Thread after fucking thread you lying piece of shit? Name one time, just once where I've attributed to you a position you don't hold. You can't because it's made up, as made up as the accusation was here.
And yet in thread after thread, after having that pointed out repeatedly, you continue to attribute to me a position that not only do I not hold, have never held, but in fact do not agree with.
Quote:I'm done being polite and reasonable in the face of your outright pathelogical lies and complete unreason, your not being even a bit reasonable you dellusional shit. I fucking quoted you, the post the quote came from had YOUR FUCKING NAME ON IT SHIT HEAD. It's your fucking quote, and you have the cheek to turn around and call me a liar? Fuck you
And in thread after thread, I have pointed that out, again and again, and I am sick of it to the point of fury, especially when it wrecks otherwise useful discussions, as it apparently has here - and I am completely done being polite or reasonable about it.
. Jesus christ even at his worst AURaptor doesn't deny he's said something when the direct quote is staring him in the face.Quote:No you don't need to argue that's what you're saying you thick fuck, because your premise that I outlined and you've just confirmed is what we're arguing against. Obviously you're not intelligent enough to get this rather simple point.
I DO need to argue it, because somehow every fucking time I SAY that, some shithead comes around and tries to claim I said we could remove structure A without consequence, which is what is pissing me off, I am sick and tired of playing this fucking game with you people, when I say something five and six times only to be told I didn't say it, said something else, or "but what you really MEANT was..."
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I took MORE than enough of that shit in the FLDS thread, and far too much over this stupidass argument I never made in the first place - do I have to prefNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
So, a couple of nights ago, I made the mistake of honestly expressing my opinion of the polical status quo around my girlfriend. She immediately took a defensive posture and became angry.
I explained that I wasn't attacking her and that there was no reason to take it personally. Her response was painfully candid and, I think, really gets to the core of the bitter resentment that such criticism often provokes. She said that I was attacking her, that I was, in effect, telling her that her whole life was a lie, that she's been a dupe and a fool.
Pointing out that the emperor wears no clothes isn't always a welcome revelation.
Frem, you ever read Ibsen's "An Enemy of the People"?
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Excuse me sarg, but Frem did attack me. He openly used personal insults, and he called me a liar because I quoted him and he didn't want his quote on record.
The only person here lying or making up attacks that don't exist here is Frem, evidently he takes it as an attack if people don't buy into his Quasi-Anarchist-Amish crap on face value. Frem's the one who doesn't like being questioned, evidenced by the fact he blew his top, accusing me of prescribing other peoples word to him. Point one I did no such thing, they were his words from his fucking post, point two the only person who has ascribed other peoples word to anyone is Frem to me. For all his talk about what I did to him in the FLDS thread, I don't even recall replying to a single post of his there. If that lying little shit wants to talk to and about me the way he has he's got no fucking right to complain when he gets the same treatment back.
If you're trying to pass off my valid objection to the way Frem has lied about me, while being a hypocritical insulting prock in the process, as me being unable to accept 'criticism of the status quo', then you can go fuck yourself as well, frankly.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Sarge, I suspect this is a gender related issue. Men tend to get obsessively focused on something and fail to notice the subtle clues that women drop that say "I'm not really interested in this, let's change the subject."
I suspect this is less to do with her rejection of the "truth" and more to do with "OMG he's banging on about this AGAIN?"
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And then again there's Sarge's unwarranted arrogance. He has all the subtlety of a newly converted Xtian fundamentalist because, by god, he has THE TRUTH on his side.
Coming at people that way guarantees rejection.
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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ayup...
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Are we goin' back to the Iron Age? I don't wanna go back to the Iron Age!
Steel Age Chrisisall
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Just popped over to the department of Education site and I have to say that what I found was interesting.
There mission statement for any who have not visited the site before is :
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ED's mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access. ED's 4,200 employees and $68.6 billion budget are dedicated to:
• Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education, and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.
• Collecting data on America's schools and disseminating research.
• Focusing national attention on key educational issues.
• Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.
Nothing about actually educating just fostering educational excellence. Wonder how their four points do that?
hmmm
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